Thompson

[eulessismore]

I believe this an official NCAA red shirt.

Hell, if it will make everyone feel better, I'll buy one for Thompson.

He'll still have 4 years to play 3, but he'll still have a redshirt!

[GoMeanGreen1999]

Just seemed like an odd call from the same coach who admitted in the media he gave up after 3 series in another game. Why try so desperately than you're burning a year of eligibility for a kid in one game and give up after three series in another?

In my mind, when Todge decided to punt under 5 minutes left in the fourth, down 16 points he was content losing the game which even more makes the decision to put Thompson in more mind numbing.

Why did we pull the redshift off the lineman at Bama?

[gangrene]

This is just in the faintest hope of derailing this thread which I consider useless and pointless, but is there really such a thing in NCAA language as a redshirt? Does anyone have the knowledge to just look it up, tell us whether or not the whole premise of the thread is based on slang terminology and maybe get this drivel locked? What I'm saying is, I don't think anyone ever "has a redshirt". They start out having 5 years to play 4. Derek Thompson now has 4 years to play 3.

And now, for the serious answer, here is the redshirt definition from the official NCAA site. Happy reading.

[eulessismore]

In my mind, when Todge decided to punt under 5 minutes left in the fourth, down 16 points he was content losing the game which even more makes the decision to put Thompson in more mind numbing.

Why did we pull the redshift off the lineman at Bama?

So they could say they played the national champions? Or was it just one?

Edited December 4, 2009 by eulessismore

[eulessismore]

And I apologize (that seems fashionable here today) to anyone reading, for posting here, since I already criticized the thread itself as useless, pointless, and needing to die.

[FirefightnRick]

So you thought that down 10, 2:20 secs left in the game, 65 yards from the opponents end zone, with a team that had already had an extra point and field goal blocked, UNT was going to win this game? That is delusional. Even if UNT would have recovered the on side kick, they would have had to move the ball 45 yards to get into Knott's range, Yes, I don't trust Knott outside of 32 yards. Do you?

Even if they get to the 15 yard line, I promise you that kick would have been blocked.

Here's what many here are forgetting, that the last drive was going to have to be another touchdown, not a field goal, and it brings up an interesting thought.

Dodge told George after the game that he told the defense,(being down by 10 with 3:48 remaining in the game) that if they go out and get a three and out that they would then score, get an onside kick and score again to win the game. I took this as his reasoning for playing DT: That is to say, to win the game not matter what the sacrifice. So, our defense stops them and we get the ball back with 2:48 left in the game and after we score and get the PAT blocked there's only 1:28 left on the clock and we were out of time-outs. So my question is if your plan was to win the game........why would you attempt a PAT kick there instead of another 2 point conversion try? The plan was to win, right? A successful PAT would have brought us only within 3 whereas a successful 2 point try brings us within 2 and much greater odds of accomplishing the goal(To win the game) over having to drive the entire length of the field to the endzone with under 1:28 left and no timeouts?

If second-guessing was a paying job North Texas fans would have been able to donate and build our new stadium three years ago.

Rick

[UNT90]

Yep. Forgot that the block occurred on that extra point and was off on the time a little, but niether is of much consequence, we were not going to win this game. If Florida, Texas, or Alabama found themselves in a similiar position, they may win about 3-5% of the time. We are not them.

[TheTastyGreek]

So you thought that down 10, 2:20 secs left in the game, 65 yards from the opponents end zone, with a team that had already had an extra point and field goal blocked, UNT was going to win this game? That is delusional. Even if UNT would have recovered the on side kick, they would have had to move the ball 45 yards to get into Knott's range, Yes, I don't trust Knott outside of 32 yards. Do you?

And no timeouts.

And the last time we converted an onside or trick kick was back in the 1st quarter of the Navy game in 2007, off a kick by Truman Spencer almost 750 days before.

[greenminer]

I've seen teams with no business winning score 4 TDs in the final 4 minutes of a game to steal the W.

You just never know.

[VideoEagle]

The important thing is TD was trying to win.

[UNTnewbie]

So you thought that down 10, 2:20 secs left in the game, 65 yards from the opponents end zone, with a team that had already had an extra point and field goal blocked, UNT was going to win this game? That is delusional. Even if UNT would have recovered the on side kick, they would have had to move the ball 45 yards to get into Knott's range, Yes, I don't trust Knott outside of 32 yards. Do you?

Even if they get to the 15 yard line, I promise you that kick would have been blocked.

And please don't try to say this game was competitive. It wasn't. ASU got up big and then lost their concentration. They are not a good enough team to get away with that against anybody. I think our kids did a great job of closing the gap and never giving up, but please don't confuse that with a competitve game. We were within 1 score for 26 seconds of the 2nd half, and those were the last 26 seconds, without the ball.

Burning Thompson's shirt may end up not being a big deal for the program, depending on what kind of player he turns out to be, but it may be a big deal to Thompson and his parents. And what if he turns out to be something special?

Really bad football decision.

No quit in Dodge, No quit in these players, No quit in this team. Only quit is by some "Fans"! The opinion of yours that this game was not winnable doesn't matter, what the team and coaches thought did matter. Thinking that a kick would come into play, down by 4 in the closing moments of a game, speaks volumes about your coaching abilities. Thank you for providing all the proof necessary to discount anything you write.

[Rudy]

On the podcast, RV said he was going to appeal to the NCAA to let him keep the redshirt in 2009 due to extenuating circumstances. We haven't been very successful in times past with such appeals (see Zach Muzzy, Tyler Stradford), but we'll see how it shakes out. And the fact that they are going through this makes it sound like they have no plans of redshirting Thompson next year or any other year in the future.

Wont happen. We arent a BcS darling. Just look at the OSU reciever this year. Weak reason to deny someone eligbility. The appeal was denied the weak of...The tU game.

[FirefightnRick]

Thinking that a kick would come into play, down by 4 in the closing moments of a game, speaks volumes about your coaching abilities. Thank you for providing all the proof necessary to discount anything you write.

Yeah, the next thing you know he'll be taking two timeouts in a row to decide whether to kick or go for a 1st down in the 11th game of the season or directional kick out of bounds three times in a single game and all of that. What does he know? Stupid 90'!!!!

Rick

Edited December 4, 2009 by FirefightnRick

[UNT90]

No quit in Dodge, No quit in these players, No quit in this team. Only quit is by some "Fans"! The opinion of yours that this game was not winnable doesn't matter, what the team and coaches thought did matter. Thinking that a kick would come into play, down by 4 in the closing moments of a game, speaks volumes about your coaching abilities. Thank you for providing all the proof necessary to discount anything you write.

Follow right along over the cliff if you must.

The fact that my error actually makes the argument for victory being even more highly improbable seems lost on you. That tells me all I need to know about your "coaching abilities."

Being down 27-0 should tell you all you need to know about Dodge's coaching abilities.

[Charlie NT 73]

Being down 27-0 should tell you somethig about DeLoach's abilities. How about these points the defense allowed.

Ohio-31, Bama-53, ULL-38, MTSU-37, FAU-44, Troy- 50, WKU-49, ULM-33, Army- 17, Ark St 30.

Allowing WR's to run free in our secondary all year should tell you something about Buckles abilities.

My Aunt Betty could run a deep slant route on the pass coverage and be wide open.

The defense did not stop the good teams, much less the bad teams, all season long.

Giving up winning TD's in the last 2 minutes of 6 games. Geez!

Nobody questions DeLoach, becaus he has skins on the wall! Yeah, our skins!

[greenminer]

Being down 27-0 should tell you somethig about DeLoach's abilities. How about these points the defense allowed.

Ohio-31, Bama-53, ULL-38, MTSU-37, FAU-44, Troy- 50, WKU-49, ULM-33, Army- 17, Ark St 30.

Allowing WR's to run free in our secondary all year should tell you something about Buckles abilities.

My Aunt Betty could run a deep slant route on the pass coverage and be wide open.

The defense did not stop the good teams, much less the bad teams, all season long.

Giving up winning TD's in the last 2 minutes of 6 games. Geez!

Nobody questions DeLoach, becaus he has skins on the wall! Yeah, our skins!

Charlie, how long have you been following NT? That is a surprising post from someone who I thought saw the 2002 team.

Lets get him some playmakers and see what he can do. Or, let's not get him some playmakers and watch what the next guy can't do.

[UNT90]

Being down 27-0 should tell you somethig about DeLoach's abilities. How about these points the defense allowed.

Ohio-31, Bama-53, ULL-38, MTSU-37, FAU-44, Troy- 50, WKU-49, ULM-33, Army- 17, Ark St 30.

Allowing WR's to run free in our secondary all year should tell you something about Buckles abilities.

My Aunt Betty could run a deep slant route on the pass coverage and be wide open.

The defense did not stop the good teams, much less the bad teams, all season long.

Giving up winning TD's in the last 2 minutes of 6 games. Geez!

Nobody questions DeLoach, becaus he has skins on the wall! Yeah, our skins!

I don't know why people think that if you question Dodge, you must be a Deloach fan.

I was hoping the move would be made to change the head coach, and then allow the new coach to pick whatever staff he wanted.

Charlie, look back at my posts after the MTSU game, where I said this defense was terrible and then had to defend that statement.

Yes, the defense was terrible from Alabama forward, but when talking about 27-0 in the Ark St. game, please don't forget the 0.

Don't forget, at the end of the day, Coach Dodge is the head coach of this team, which means he is responsible for the performance of all of his assistants.

Edited December 4, 2009 by UNT90

[UNTnewbie]

Follow right along over the cliff if you must.

The fact that my error actually makes the argument for victory being even more highly improbable seems lost on you. That tells me all I need to know about your "coaching abilities."

Being down 27-0 should tell you all you need to know about Dodge's coaching abilities.

But it seems to me we had a better chance at scoring a touchdown than a FG, especially since it would have been blocked, as you saw in your cracked crystal ball. 30-26 is what I remember with a CHANCE to pull out a victory. Using your convoluted reasoning, I guess when any team gets down they should just walk off the field and head to the house. Do you even watch football? Texas was getting spanked by OSU a couple years back only to come back and win, that's only one example of something that plays out every year in college athletics. People remember UT climbed out of a huge hole to win the game but in your mind the coach should have been fired on the spot and the players should have been shipped out of town on a rail. Last I heard there are at least 4 quarters to every football contest and the one with the most points after the final whistle is the winner. If you quit when you are down then that will never happen.

Concerning my coaching abilities, I'm not the one beating my chest telling everyone about how I know more than those being paid to coach, players that play, and fans that believe. I know every coach in college knows more than all but maybe 1% of the armchair coaches, and you are not in that 1%, but you seem to think you are the god of coaching. If that is the case, why don't you go out and make a living coaching College football but just so you know, coaches make real time decisions and don't get to wait until after the play to make their call. Get out of you LazyBoy, put your controller down, and quit thinking that being able to play Madden on the novice level makes you into some kind of coaching genius. I watch the games and know eventually this team will put it together either with you or without you, you have no bearing on that. It is not on your timeline but it will happen. GMG

[yyz28]

Has there been a Freeze Warning issued for your IQ? Because I don't think it's making it out of the low 30s.

Jeeez. That was clearly called for...

[UNT90]

But it seems to me we had a better chance at scoring a touchdown than a FG, especially since it would have been blocked, as you saw in your cracked crystal ball. 30-26 is what I remember with a CHANCE to pull out a victory. Using your convoluted reasoning, I guess when any team gets down they should just walk off the field and head to the house. Do you even watch football? Texas was getting spanked by OSU a couple years back only to come back and win, that's only one example of something that plays out every year in college athletics. People remember UT climbed out of a huge hole to win the game but in your mind the coach should have been fired on the spot and the players should have been shipped out of town on a rail. Last I heard there are at least 4 quarters to every football contest and the one with the most points after the final whistle is the winner. If you quit when you are down then that will never happen.

Concerning my coaching abilities, I'm not the one beating my chest telling everyone about how I know more than those being paid to coach, players that play, and fans that believe. I know every coach in college knows more than all but maybe 1% of the armchair coaches, and you are not in that 1%, but you seem to think you are the god of coaching. If that is the case, why don't you go out and make a living coaching College football but just so you know, coaches make real time decisions and don't get to wait until after the play to make their call. Get out of you LazyBoy, put your controller down, and quit thinking that being able to play Madden on the novice level makes you into some kind of coaching genius. I watch the games and know eventually this team will put it together either with you or without you, you have no bearing on that. It is not on your timeline but it will happen. GMG

As for the 1st bolded part, what was the final score again? That's pretty good evidence. Also, the fact that we had a better chance of scoring a TD than kicking a field goal when we would have gotten the ball 60 yards from the opponents endzone with just over a minute left should let you know something about the overall chance of winning this game.

As for the 2nd part, I guess you are right. I guess TD should coach here forever, because, after all, he is a coach, but not only a coach, the head coach, who must know more than all the other coaches, so he can never be questioned. Yes, even if we lose 11 games next year, don't dare question the coach from your LazyBoy, just shut your mouth and be a fan. Why? Because, he is the coach, and is much smarter than you, because he is the coach. No, don't demand better, because if you do, you are just some know-it-all who thinks he is better than the coach.

Dude, no doubt he is a better coach than me. I'm worried about him being a better coach than the other coaches in our conference.

Edited December 4, 2009 by UNT90

[UNT90]

What would you like to do with DeLoach? Seriously - would like to remove him and get someone else in here? Because if you do that, YOU MUST do the same with Todge. To say that Todge can get this done but DeLoach can't is crazy. Does DeLoach need more players who can play on that side of the ball? Yes. Has the defense been bad? Yes. But if you compare the % of increase between the offense and defense, it was the defense who was higher.

I'm saying you bring in a new head coach and let him pick his staff. If he picks Deloach, so be it.

Do not hand over head coaching responsibilities to Deloach.

[GoMeanGreen1999]

Being down 27-0 should tell you somethig about DeLoach's abilities. How about these points the defense allowed.

Ohio-31, Bama-53, ULL-38, MTSU-37, FAU-44, Troy- 50, WKU-49, ULM-33, Army- 17, Ark St 30.

Allowing WR's to run free in our secondary all year should tell you something about Buckles abilities.

My Aunt Betty could run a deep slant route on the pass coverage and be wide open.

The defense did not stop the good teams, much less the bad teams, all season long.

Giving up winning TD's in the last 2 minutes of 6 games. Geez!

Nobody questions DeLoach, becaus he has skins on the wall! Yeah, our skins!

What would you like to do with DeLoach? Seriously - would like to remove him and get someone else in here? Because if you do that, YOU MUST do the same with Todge. To say that Todge can get this done but DeLoach can't is crazy. Does DeLoach need more players who can play on that side of the ball? Yes. Has the defense been bad? Yes. But if you compare the % of increase between the offense and defense, it was the defense who was higher.

How much of the 27 points were clearly on the defense? Do you put the Int back to the 1 on them?

[GoMeanGreen1999]

I'm saying you bring in a new head coach and let him pick his staff. If he picks Deloach, so be it.

Do not hand over head coaching responsibilities to Deloach.

Completely agree. I used the wrong quote a minute ago so I deleted the post and reposted it with the right quote.

I just find it too funny that most of the Todge people that want him back say that it is the defense's problem we are so bad, yet if you change most of those "7 plays" or whatever that would have changed the game, they fell on the offensive side of the ball. We put so much emphasis on Dodge's ability to turn this around yet he has never proven he can at this level, but we don't think DeLoach can get it done yet he has proven time and time again that he can. Whatever.

[rcade]

Get out of you LazyBoy, put your controller down, and quit thinking that being able to play Madden on the novice level makes you into some kind of coaching genius. I watch the games and know eventually this team will put it together either with you or without you, you have no bearing on that. It is not on your timeline but it will happen. GMG

That's some brilliant logic. Fans don't know what they are talking about when they criticize the coach, but you know what you're talking about when you support him.

Since you know the team will put it together, how about going on the record with how many games UNT will win next year?

[football fan]

I've seen teams with no business winning score 4 TDs in the final 4 minutes of a game to steal the W.

You just never know.

I almost saw that in 1994 at Texas Stadium. The Plano East/John Tyler playoff game. Has to be the most incredible comeback ever in all of football (Stanford/Cal KO return was special too). Only, PE did not win. JT ran kick off back 97 yds with 7 seconds left. Almost a miracle but they do happen!! Thought you might be referring to that game for a minute but the comeback failed.