Thompson

[forevereagle]

You live in a strange world! Game was not decided until ASU Recovered the onside attempt but don't let that interfere with your delusions. The players and coaches sure weren't thinking that way. I, and the other 50 or so MG fans, believed we had a chance to see a 60 yard drive for the winning touchdown under the direction of DT until the ASU player skyed to grab the ball out of the air.

What is the % success rate of onside kicks when the game is on the line? I don't know, but I would guess it is very low since the other team knows it is coming.

[forevereagle]

I think we generally understand the concept. You have 5 years to play 4. So if he doesn't play a down any of the next 3 seasons, he can take a redshirt and still have 4 total seasons to play during that 5 year period.

But if he takes snaps in each of the next three seasons, let's say as a starter at least some of the time, then we pissed away a year of eligibility for 2 minutes of game time.

[akriesman]

Game was decided. No possible way we were even close to winning that game.

We all know that Coach Dodge has made a lot of poor decisions at times (up until this point). But, if he did not at least try and win that game, he would have been raked over the coals worse than he is for burning the redshirt. You guys that are bashing him for this decision know that.

I think people are just piling things on him now out of frustration.

I am very unhappy with the decisions that have been made on the field this season. But, right now I just want to give the coaching staff a pat on the back and move forward.

[VideoEagle]

In the podcast Harry and Evan did, RV says Thompson was the sixth option. RV also points out that no coach is going to just put a tackle at there in the QB position especially when down by just 10 points with that much time remaining. The NT coaches and the still thought they had a chance. From the newspaper accounts, the Arky State players and coaches thought NT had a chance as well.

[CaribbeanGreen]

Just seemed like an odd call from the same coach who admitted in the media he gave up after 3 series in another game. Why try so desperately than you're burning a year of eligibility for a kid in one game and give up after three series in another?

[VideoEagle]

Just seemed like an odd call from the same coach who admitted in the media he gave up after 3 series in another game. Why try so desperately than you're burning a year of eligibility for a kid in one game and give up after three series in another?

It might be there is a little difference in the chances of success in playing Arky State verses playing #2 Alabama. No offense intended to the stAte team.

[Mean Green 93-98]

No way they grant this request. He was placed in the game on a coaching decision, and that is what UNT will be told when the appeal is denied.

Then again, we're due... Kinda like next season's philosophy

You're probably right, but according to RV, it wasn't exactly a coaching decision. He was Plan F--the 6th resort--and injuries forced the coaches to go with Plan F.

Game was decided. No possible way we were even close to winning that game.

Not close? We lost by 4 points. If we would have gotten the onside kick, we would have had a very good chance of winning considering the way we were moving the ball at that point.

[Mean Green 93-98]

If he was the 6th option....the options would be:

Riley, Tune, Baine (out sick), and then either Hamilton or Carey (who both played QB in high school).

Then Thompson.

So Dodge leaped over options 4 and 5......to try and win a meaningless 3rd game.

I'm not saying I agree with the decision to play Thompson, but I don't think it was a meaningless game.

[eulessismore]

I'm not saying I agree with the decision to play Thompson, but I don't think it was a meaningless game.

None of this will be meaningless if there's an open competition for the quarterback position next spring.

[rcade]

I think we generally understand the concept. You have 5 years to play 4. So if he doesn't play a down any of the next 3 seasons, he can take a redshirt and still have 4 total seasons to play during that 5 year period.

The fact he can use a redshirt in the future doesn't change the fact that he played on THE LAST THREE OFFENSIVE SNAPS OF 2009 and it cost him an entire season of eligibility.

That's where the beef is, dude.

[eulessismore]

He did Great!

Was there some point you had in starting this thread?

[NT80]

With the game on the line, Coach Dodge's best option was to put Thompson in.

Wrong.

[NT80]

but according to RV, it wasn't exactly a coaching decision.

??? It was TOTALLY a coaching decision.

[VideoEagle]

Wrong.

Listen to the podcast. RV seems to think it was the best option or at least certainly not the disaster so here think.

[NT80]

Won't Dodge and Tune be back next year? and isn't there a Qb/ath coming in who is good?

So everybody please stop bitchin about him playing because the situation will be even harder for im to see the field next year. He could and will be redshirted by default next year! Dodge told him hey you aren't gona see much time at QB on this team so do you wanna go in and be a hero for one game? Who can turn that down?

Case closed

I don't think you understand the situation of a redshirt vs using a year of play up for one series.

He may have only been a backup in his first non-redshirt year but he could have gained valuable experience if used during a full season instead of the last 2 minutes of one.

Edited December 4, 2009 by NT80

[eulessismore]

This is just in the faintest hope of derailing this thread which I consider useless and pointless, but is there really such a thing in NCAA language as a redshirt? Does anyone have the knowledge to just look it up, tell us whether or not the whole premise of the thread is based on slang terminology and maybe get this drivel locked? What I'm saying is, I don't think anyone ever "has a redshirt". They start out having 5 years to play 4. Derek Thompson now has 4 years to play 3.

Edited December 4, 2009 by eulessismore

[stebo]

And that is the way it is for a college football player. There is no guarantee of a redshirt year for anyone. Having been in the room a couple times, Dodge says to the incoming recruits and their parents (and he has said the same publicly) that NO ONE should expect to redshirt. It sucks that it was in the last game, but honestly if this scenario had occured in the Ohio or Bama game and he had never played again, who would be bitching about it now? Who would remember?

Don't you think UNT would love to automatically redshirt every recruit? Shit didn't work out that way. Injuries also brought White into the rotation and he continued to contribute. Would have been great to have him redshirt, but it didn't work out that way.

I totally support that decision.

Best reply to date. Perfectly stated. I agree 100% and do not agree with fans that try to mail it in. Did DT not get a full year's worth of education, room, and board from North Texas? Did he not practice and travel to Arky State specifically for the purpose of being there if we needed him? We don't bring the whole team on every trip - just the travelling squad. DT was there if we needed him, we needed him and he did a great job. He was compensated with a free education, free room, and free board for the year as payment. Nobody has been "wronged" here... ridiculous statements.

[Mean Green 93-98]

This is just in the faintest hope of derailing this thread which I consider useless and pointless, but is there really such a thing in NCAA language as a redshirt? Does anyone have the knowledge to just look it up, tell us whether or not the whole premise of the thread is based on slang terminology and maybe get this drivel locked?

Maybe I'm missing something here, but yes, there is such a thing as a redshirt.

[eulessismore]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but yes, there is such a thing as a redshirt.

I still say that the op was just trying to irritate those of us unhappy about the overall situation with the misleadingly cheerful "Thompson still has a redshirt!". Technically, maybe. Untwillrise, quit trying to cheer us up! Bottom line, he has 4 years to play 3! Moreover, I want him to be our starting QB! Yes, I'll still buy season tickets, as I did last year.

Edited December 4, 2009 by eulessismore

[NT80]

Listen to the podcast. RV seems to think it was the best option or at least certainly not the disaster so here think.

I know RV is trying to cover a coach's poor decision; it's a little late now trying to un-do the deed. There were other options that wouldn't have affected the kid's future like this did and all with at least the same results to the record. I could only see doing what was done if a conference championship or similar was on the line but not in that game and in that situation.

[CaribbeanGreen]

It might be there is a little difference in the chances of success in playing Arky State verses playing #2 Alabama. No offense intended to the stAte team.

Wasn't Bama. If Dodge said he gave up after 3 series against Bama, I missed it. It LOOKED like it, but I didn't hear that. He did, however, say that after last year against K-St.

[VideoEagle]

Wasn't Bama. If Dodge said he gave up after 3 series against Bama, I missed it. It LOOKED like it, but I didn't hear that. He did, however, say that after last year against K-St.

I didn't hear him say that at all ever. I mistakenly assumed you were talking about a game this year and that seemed to be the only candidate. He stated confidence in this year's team was much higher than last year.

[foutsrouts]

Thompson should have fallen down and screamed "CONCUSSION!!!" on the last play of the game. Or maybe we're only allowed one of those every two years.

[UNT90]

You live in a strange world! Game was not decided until ASU Recovered the onside attempt but don't let that interfere with your delusions. The players and coaches sure weren't thinking that way. I, and the other 50 or so MG fans, believed we had a chance to see a 60 yard drive for the winning touchdown under the direction of DT until the ASU player skyed to grab the ball out of the air.

So you thought that down 10, 2:20 secs left in the game, 65 yards from the opponents end zone, with a team that had already had an extra point and field goal blocked, UNT was going to win this game? That is delusional. Even if UNT would have recovered the on side kick, they would have had to move the ball 45 yards to get into Knott's range, Yes, I don't trust Knott outside of 32 yards. Do you?

Even if they get to the 15 yard line, I promise you that kick would have been blocked.

And please don't try to say this game was competitive. It wasn't. ASU got up big and then lost their concentration. They are not a good enough team to get away with that against anybody. I think our kids did a great job of closing the gap and never giving up, but please don't confuse that with a competitve game. We were within 1 score for 26 seconds of the 2nd half, and those were the last 26 seconds, without the ball.

Burning Thompson's shirt may end up not being a big deal for the program, depending on what kind of player he turns out to be, but it may be a big deal to Thompson and his parents. And what if he turns out to be something special?

Really bad football decision.

Edited December 4, 2009 by UNT90

[gangrene]

This is just in the faintest hope of derailing this thread which I consider useless and pointless, but is there really such a thing in NCAA language as a redshirt? Does anyone have the knowledge to just look it up, tell us whether or not the whole premise of the thread is based on slang terminology and maybe get this drivel locked? What I'm saying is, I don't think anyone ever "has a redshirt". They start out having 5 years to play 4. Derek Thompson now has 4 years to play 3.

I believe this an official NCAA red shirt.

Hell, if it will make everyone feel better, I'll buy one for Thompson.