Jump to content

Don't Look Now

greenminer
 Share

Recommended Posts

greenminer Grand Master

greenminer

Posted
Posted (edited)

with Houston's loss, is in a position to win the CUSA West with a halftime lead on UTEP.

I am not of the anti-Dodge mob, but this is really hard to ignore.

I understand the argument of needing 5 years and it still has validity. But these 2 - 3 year turnarounds are becoming an expectation, rather than an exception.

Also, he is winning with only one year of recruiting under his belt.

Edited by greenminer
Green P1 Enthusiast

Green P1

Posted
Posted

Been thinking the same thing all day long. Up until recently I'd been a fairly vocal Dodge supporter. People wanna talk about the progress we've shown this year.... IT AIN'T PROGRESS FOLKS. We could win two more games this season and it's still not year three progress. I despise SMU.

KingDL1 Veteran

KingDL1

Posted
Posted (edited)

with Houston's loss, is in a position to win the CUSA West with a halftime lead on UTEP.

I am not of the anti-Dodge mob, but this is really hard to ignore.

I understand the argument of needing 5 years and it still has validity. But these 2 - 3 year turnarounds are becoming an expectation, rather than an exception.

Also, he is winning with only one year of recruiting under his belt.

We are demanding fans, I think Coach Dodge will be a great coach some day, I hope sooner then later. But SMU paid for a very experienced coach with a good budget for assistant coaches, we paid to have a coach go through a learning curve. I think the last phase of Dodge's learning curve is to do a 180 on the intensity of practice, run it hard, full speed, and get the coaches in these guy's faces. I also think our strength coach will really start paying off by next year. Even Riley's arm strength will increase with time making the long threat better, though I still wonder about his ability to see over the line. One of the guys in my group feels Riley's height is a big problem.

Edited by KingDL1
KingDL1 Veteran

KingDL1

Posted
Posted

smu 35 utep 31

June Jones and SMu now have more wins in 1 season than TD has in almost 3 years. Sad , really sad.

Congrats to the Ponies

Not really sad at all Jones is getting paid nearly 10 times more, there is a difference. Definitely not apples to apples unless we had a 2 million+ Dollar Coach.

greenminer Grand Master

greenminer

Posted
  • Author
Posted (edited)

Not really sad at all Jones is getting paid nearly 10 times more, there is a difference. Definitely not apples to apples unless we had a 2 million+ Dollar Coach.

Really? So the return on investment is a salary ratio?

It upsets me slightly that some of you (not necessarily you, KingDL because a sarcasm alert is going off in my head after re-reading your reply) concede that we "settled" on a coach knowing that there would be a tremendous learning curve and no guarantee for a turnaround. Even though we arguably have the same resources in other areas as SMU, and kinder entrance requirements?

Did we take a gamble like our football program is some sort of eBay auction? Is the reality of what we have here finally materializing for even the most avid Dodge fans?

Let's just get ahead of this curve now, start winning and put this all behind us :)

Edited by greenminer
KingDL1 Veteran

KingDL1

Posted
Posted

Really? So the return on investment is a salary ratio?

It upsets me slightly that some of you (not necessarily you, KingDL because a sarcasm alert is going off in my head after re-reading your reply) concede that we "settled" on a coach knowing that there would be a tremendous learning curve and no guarantee for a turnaround. Even though we arguably have the same resources in other areas as SMU, and kinder entrance requirements?

Did we take a gamble like our football program is some sort of eBay auction? Is the reality of what we have here finally materializing for even the most avid Dodge fans?

Let's just get ahead of this curve now, start winning and put this all behind us :)

In a way we did, but an experienced Coach like Jones is in a different league then Dodge from the start. Maybe Dodge in Ten years. What can I say, would you really expect the same results?

untbowler Grand Master

untbowler

Posted
Posted

In a way we did, but an experienced Coach like Jones is in a different league then Dodge from the start. Maybe Dodge in Ten years. What can I say, would you really expect the same results?

We could have got an experienced coach as well and Dodge has college experience, so he knew what he was getting into. RV had his eyes tagged on TD the whole time.

We could have gotten any number of D1-AA or D2 Coaches with loads of experience for the same price or cheaper than Dodge. My personal favorites would have been Carthel at WT A&M or Conque at UCA.

KingDL1 Veteran

KingDL1

Posted
Posted

We could have got an experienced coach as well and Dodge has college experience, so he knew what he was getting into. RV had his eyes tagged on TD the whole time.

We could have gotten any number of D1-AA or D2 Coaches with loads of experience for the same price or cheaper than Dodge. My personal favorites would have been Carthel at WT A&M or Conque at UCA.

I am not defending Dodge here please, and I am not arguing we could hired better.

I am just saying you can't really compare a head coach with an extensive proven track record with a promoted coach with no experience as a head coach, it is silly, stupid, off the charts. Not matter who we hired we would have never got a guy that was a proven winner in D1a as a head coach simply because those guys are going to cost a million dollars or better. Maybe some day we will be able to afford such a guy.

Dodge was a Quarterback's coach when we were D1AA not D1A and it was only two years something like 16 years ago, are you really comparing that to a Proven winning D1A Head coach, I will repeat WINNING HEAD COACH with 8 or years experience at doing it plus 11 years coaching the NFL and more? Really?

If you are it very silly.

untbowler Grand Master

untbowler

Posted
Posted (edited)

I am not defending Dodge here please, and I am not arguing we could hired better.

I am just saying you can't really compare a head coach with an extensive proven track record with a promoted coach with no experience as a head coach, it is silly, stupid, off the charts. Not matter who we hired we would have never got a guy that was a proven winner in D1a as a head coach simply because those guys are going to cost a million dollars or better. Maybe some day we will be able to afford such a guy.

Dodge was a Quarterback's coach when we were D1AA not D1A and it was only two years something like 16 years ago, are you really comparing that to a Proven winning D1A Head coach, I will repeat WINNING HEAD COACH with 8 or years experience at doing it plus 11 years coaching the NFL and more? Really?

If you are it very silly.

So Dodge's 79-1 game record at the 5A level was pure luck because he had trained athletes?

Edited by untbowler
KingDL1 Veteran

KingDL1

Posted
Posted

So Dodge's 79-1 game record at the 5A level was pure luck because he had trained athletes?

What the hell are you talking about?

Really High school Experience compared to Pro Experience and a proven winner as a Head Coach in D1A (FBS)?

You are saying it is all the same?

untbowler Grand Master

untbowler

Posted
Posted

What the hell are you talking about?

Really High school Experience compared to Pro Experience and a proven winner as a Head Coach in D1A (FBS)?

You are saying it is all the same?

Ok so when will Dodge not meet your expectations? when he goes winless?

KingDL1 Veteran

KingDL1

Posted
Posted

Ok so when will Dodge not meet your expectations? when he goes winless?

I never said Dodge did meet my expectations!

But if you really want to know how long I think it takes a High Coach like Dodge to get it figured out I would say considerably longer then a proven head coach at our level.

Hell it might take Dodge 6 or 8 years to get it all figured out, for all I know.

I am not a Dodge poster boy, I feel fairly certain about two things:

1) I believe there is no way around keeping Dodge for at least one more year.

2) I think Dodge can be a great Coach with Time.

So I am not going to piss and moan about it, I hope he is successful that is best for everyone involved.

If Dodge gets fired tomorrow and we pick up a coach that can get it done I will be overjoyed. I just want to win.

The Fake Lonnie Finch Newbie

The Fake Lonnie Finch

Posted
Posted

I am not defending Dodge here please, and I am not arguing we could hired better.

I am just saying you can't really compare a head coach with an extensive proven track record with a promoted coach with no experience as a head coach, it is silly, stupid, off the charts. Not matter who we hired we would have never got a guy that was a proven winner in D1a as a head coach simply because those guys are going to cost a million dollars or better. Maybe some day we will be able to afford such a guy.

Dodge was a Quarterback's coach when we were D1AA not D1A and it was only two years something like 16 years ago, are you really comparing that to a Proven winning D1A Head coach, I will repeat WINNING HEAD COACH with 8 or years experience at doing it plus 11 years coaching the NFL and more? Really?

If you are it very silly.

Urban Meyer was a wide receivers coach at Notre Dame when Bowling Green took a chance on him. Lots of guys out there like that.

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Tell a friend

    Love GoMeanGreen.com? Tell a friend!

  • What's going on Mean Green?

    1. 8

      Minnesota forum

      If I was Coach Hodge, I would have this blown up and posted in the locker room. I would tell the players that this is what people think of you and we need to go out and dominate every team defensively until people start putting some respect on our name. Then when people do start to put some respect on our name, we need to dominate teams some more to leave no doubt.
      Venson in Mean Green Basketball
    2. 9

      Around the League / UNT Opponents

      Some are arguing on their board about who's better between Yale and UNT. They really can't get past the UNT loss. I really want to get poporn and make an account just to let them know we've finished higher than MN in NET every year since 2020.
      GMG_Dallas in Mean Green Basketball
    3. 9

      Ladies at ACU

      Seems like you've gotten over the speeding ticket well.
      GMG_Dallas in Mean Green Basketball
    4. 69

      Caponi fired

      I think this is a cop-out. He’s been doing this crap since the beginning of his tenure. The first memorable time was against Navy last year on the first drive of the game from the 1. If in the 5th game of year 1 he was already feeling like he needed to score every drive because of the defense, that's an even bigger problem. I think not having a reliable kicker or punter is the main problem. He went for the points a few times early this season and it didn't work out. Same with some punts that just don't do a good job at flipping the field. I've mentioned in other threads that special teams has also been a problem. Evans is 89th in the country in average punt yardage. We have to have a short kicker and a long kicker. Who the eff does that at this level? That's two coordinators that Morris flopped out on. I'm just waiting on us to move on from Svobada at season's end. Was looking over his profile and I didn't know but he also has Tight Ends this year. Where have the Tight Ends been lately??
      GMG_Dallas in Mean Green Football
    5. 6

      What to expect from Odom?

      You have quite unique comments on there…
      97and03 in Mean Green Football

  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      3_n_out
      3_n_out
      160
    2. 2
      NT80
      NT80
      128
    3. 3
      GMG_Dallas
    4. 4
      keith
      keith
      104
    5. 5
      SUMG
      SUMG
      98
    Show More

  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      15,478
    • Most Online
      1,865
    meangreen0015
    Newest Member
    meangreen0015
    Joined

WE BELIEVE IN THE MEAN GREEN!

News

Recruiting

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue. Please review our full Privacy Policy before using our site.