Abc News: Officials: U.s. Army Told Of Hasan's Contacts With Al Qa

FirefightnRick · November 10, 2009

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

Investigators want to know if Hasan maintained contact with a radical mosque leader from Virginia, Anwar al Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen and runs a web site that promotes jihad around the world against the U.S.
In a blog posting early Monday titled "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing," Awlaki calls Hasan a "hero" and a "man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people."
According to his site, Awlaki served as an imam in Denver, San Diego

The Army Chief of Staff, General George Casey, raised concerns over the weekend that innocent Muslim soldiers could suffer as a result of the shooting at Fort Hood.
"I think the speculation (on Hasan's Islamic roots) could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers," he said on ABC's "This Week."

And this P.C. bs statement above is the very reason why our best of the best were massacred at Fort Hood last week.

Un freakin believable!

Rick

Edited November 10, 2009 by FirefightnRick

eulesseagle · November 10, 2009

same tactics aq has used in europe for years. they are now using their european model on us, now.

yyz28 · November 10, 2009

I wonder if the Soldiers who were gunned down think the War on Terror is over.

...let's quit with the PC language and call this what this was. A terrorist attack by a Radical Muslim Extremist. This is the first terrorist attack on US Soil since 9/11. It should be treated as such. Any politically correct BS will only help sustain the culture and atmosphere in Washington and in our Military that let this happen in the first place.

CaribbeanGreen · November 10, 2009

not only do they say it's not terrorism, but the entire editorial staff of your very own NT Daily say the shooter's religion isn't even RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION!

http://ntdailydatabase.com/?p=3929&cpage=1

greenminer · November 10, 2009

Something about this entire thing just doesn't smell right to me.

A guy is able to take out this many kills and injuries throughout a major part of the day, while on a military base.

I would consider this an absolute tragedy, but relative to previous/similar incidents within this "war on terror" it seems like the government has been so quiet/hush hush?

Maybe it is just me.

CaribbeanGreen · November 10, 2009

Oh yeah, and per my above Daily link -- I love how they start off by citing PTSD as a cause of military crime, and then quickly point out that Hasan was never in combat. Then, the explanation quickly shifts to "well, he saw so many examples of combat in his patients!!!!"

So, the only relevant thing here, per the daily, is that this dude's patients went through so much that the shrink went nuts? Not that the ONLY shrink to haul off and kill people happened to also be a radical Muslim. Worst article ever?

yyz28 · November 10, 2009

The Daily and the Journalism school should be disbanded.

UNTLifer · November 10, 2009

Why would the Army even allow more of their own to email, continually I might add, a known radical Muslim iman? Should have shut him down then and there. America is too worried it is going to hurt someone's feelings.

Also noticed buried on page 11 of the Houston Chronicle, a small article about George W. and Laura Bush visiting Fort Hood and the injured soldiers/civilians. Has Obama done anything other than offer a prepared statement and attend, although his position makes this mandatory, the memorial service? Obama could actually care less and that is sad considering he is the President and Commander and Chief.

The Army, FBI and federal government are in full-fledged CYA mode.

KRAM1 · November 10, 2009

Oh yeah, and per my above Daily link -- I love how they start off by citing PTSD as a cause of military crime, and then quickly point out that Hasan was never in combat. Then, the explanation quickly shifts to "well, he saw so many examples of combat in his patients!!!!"
So, the only relevant thing here, per the daily, is that this dude's patients went through so much that the shrink went nuts? Not that the ONLY shrink to haul off and kill people happened to also be a radical Muslim. Worst article ever?

So this guy would be the first person ever recorded to have "Pre-Post Traumatice Stress Syndrone", right? Wow...you get PTSD just by getting ready to go to a war zone???? Now, that's new. My son heads to Iraq on Nov. 17th serving as a Navy Flight Surgeon. I checked with him on the Pre-PTSD thing and we both had a real hearty laugh! Too bad the guy isn't DEAD!

Rudy · November 10, 2009

Too bad the guy isn't DEAD!

Im actually glad he survived, we can get some answers. We WILL get the answers, even if the public doesnt hear about it. And he will be dead. Treason and murder during wartime. Can you say firing squad. I believe they are still used during wartime. Either way, he will get the death sentence for 12 counts of homicide. Can I buy a ticket to watch?

meangreendork · November 11, 2009

The Daily and the Journalism school should be disbanded.

Way to kneejerk it, pal.

The guy didn't have PTSD, but he did get the shit bullied out of him after 9/11, and it seems like he wasn't really of the best constitution anyways. Hearing all of the post-tour stuff from other soldiers probably just exacerbated his own weakness. He should've been booted out of the service after the issue at that medical center, and definitely locked up after being tied to that radical imam. Honestly, I wouldn't want to be a muslim in America right now, much less a muslim in the military. Everyone would look at me like I'm gonna knife them in the damn back, just like it was with the Japanese in the 1940's.

I can see why they wouldn't wanna call it terrorism because it'll scare the crap out of people and raise some bad paranoia in the military, but that damage is already done. Yeah, I do agree - everyone's in cover mode, and I bet there are more than a few people who could've prevented this.

Edited November 11, 2009 by meangreendork

TheTastyGreek · November 11, 2009

Treason and murder during wartime. Can you say firing squad. I believe they are still used during wartime.

Congress declared war on someone?

yyz28 · November 11, 2009

Way to kneejerk it, pal.

...because it's the first time the Daily has had it's head up its own rear end... Between the constant drumbeat against athletics, the apathy towards the school it covers (and funds it) and the 90% - 10% bias with which opinion is printed, it's not worth the paper it is printed on. It's not unlike the New York Times in that regard.

I base my opinion on 15 years of reading and following the NT Daily, not one opinion piece.

Rudy · November 11, 2009

The guy didn't have PTSD, but he did get the shit bullied out of him after 9/11

Or so his family claims. I havent heard any verified accounts yet, and he reenlisted after 9/11. If he felt so bullied, he should have gotten out.

Congress declared war on someone?

On Afghanistan and Iraq. We are still there in combat situations.

TheTastyGreek · November 11, 2009

On Afghanistan and Iraq.

Did they?

Censored by Laurie · November 11, 2009

Did they?

:wub:

KRAM1 · November 11, 2009

Way to kneejerk it, pal.
The guy didn't have PTSD, but he did get the shit bullied out of him after 9/11, and it seems like he wasn't really of the best constitution anyways.

Of course...it's not HIS fault, he was bullied! Poor baby. Let's see, he was bullied (where is the proof of that?), so now...no problem just get some guns and go slaughter a bunch of unarmed soldiers. I get it. Poor baby...maybe his mother was mean to him too...or maybe he didn't get a trophy for playing on his 4th grade baseball team...or maybe his teachers didn't let him go potty when he wanted to do so...you know all those great justifications for slaughtering unarmed soldiers!

The kicker is that the "powers that be" these days are so weak-kneed and "PC cowered" that the guy will probably end up being tried in a civilian court on an insanity defense...or maybe the "bullied defense". Poor baby, he was just so mistreated that this was bound to happen, and it certainly cannot be linked to any of his own responsibility for his actions...people were just so mean to him.....

Green P1 · November 11, 2009

The Daily and the Journalism school should be disbanded.

If this article gets that kind of a rise out of you, I'm guessing a walk around campus would have you calling for the disbandment of the University.

yyz28 · November 11, 2009

If this article gets that kind of a rise out of you, I'm guessing a walk around campus would have you calling for the disbandment of the University.

Like I've said, its not just this article.

UNT90 · November 11, 2009

Bullying excuses may get some empathy for a 13 year old, but not for a 39 year old man.

Oh wait, he's not a man, he's not 40.

hickoryhouse · November 11, 2009

Congress declared war on someone?

Not war... a Congressional authorized extended military engagement, or two.

Public Law 107-40

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Public Law 107-243

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.

Neither are formal declarations of war, but I would not be surprised if our beloved Military looked at the current state of affairs as "War Time" and treated it as such. Besides UCMJ will dictate the punishment anyway, this was a military crime committed by a military officer. I do not envy him no matter what his punishment will be.

Cerebus · November 11, 2009

Did they?

Actually, yes.

Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan) was S.J.RES.23 and H.J.RES.64

Operation Iraqi Freedom was H.J.RES.114 and a bunch of other resolutions, more info at link.

Now these are formal declarations of war, but that's just a technicality, these authorizations of force allow pretty much the same thing. Here is some wording, relating to the War Powers Resolution.

( War Powers Resolution Requirements.--
(1) Specific statutory authorization.--Consistent with
section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress
declares that this section is intended to constitute specific
statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5( of
the War Powers Resolution.

Vietnam, Persian Gulf War (1991) where similar authorizations of force. The military is under war standing at the time.

ETA: Lets not forget that The original war in 1991 was never declared over by congress, or the UN. It was stalemated in a UN Security Council ceasefire. The Iraqi government broke the cease fire thousands of times over the years, any one of which was a redeclaration of hostilities. I am having trouble finding the wording online, I'll see if I can later.

eulessismore · November 12, 2009

Not war... a Congressional authorized extended military engagement, or two.
Public Law 107-40
To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.
Public Law 107-243
To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
Neither are formal declarations of war, but I would not be surprised if our beloved Military looked at the current state of affairs as "War Time" and treated it as such. Besides UCMJ will dictate the punishment anyway, this was a military crime committed by a military officer. I do not envy him no matter what his punishment will be.

His life will suck; then he'll die.

TheTastyGreek · November 12, 2009

Not war... a Congressional authorized extended military engagement.

pretty much the same thing.

So... Congress didn't actually declare war on anyone? Something similar, but not actually war?

Because that's what I thought the deal was all along.

Edited November 12, 2009 by TheTastyGreek

gruu · November 12, 2009

So... Congress didn't actually declare war on anyone? Something similar, but not actually war?
Because that's what I thought the deal was all along.

Words mean things?