Keep In Mind, The Obama Children Were Off Limits.

[UNTLifer]

Damn it! Thanks for ruining another segment of imagination theater.

[hickoryhouse]

This entire thread is rediculous.

We all agree that Letterman is past his prime and should probably go away,

We all agree that what he said is horrible,

We all agree that going after someone's kids is wrong

There we go..... What else is there? No one is going to prove that he was talking about Willow, and if he was talking about Bristol she puts herself out there as a spokesperson on the topic of teenage pregnancy, like it or not she is a public figure now and is not above scrutiny or humor - even when it comes from a humorless Letterman.

[Censored by Laurie]

This entire thread is rediculous.

Punny political commentary

[Quoner]

Yup, you're right. It was classless. Totally CLASSLESS. And lots of people gave Rush a LOT of heat for it for quite some time.

I'm still trying to find out what Limbaugh said in the early 90's about someone's kid being ugly has to do with Letterman making jokes about child rape and prostitution about someone's kid in 2009?

S T R A W M A N ! ! ! ! ! !

..when you can't win the debate on merit or on your counterpoint, demonize the actions (regardless of the timeframe) of someone who identified with the side you're debating against.

Fail.

Well now that you've gotten Rush out of your system when he was listed as part of my list of folks who took shots at Chelsea, can we get back to my actual argument about whether this was an evil, malicious plot for Letterman and friends to rape and whore the Palin kid 9intheir imaginations of course)? I know you keep redefining straw man to address one small point in the text, but no one - save Lifer and a few others - seems to question whether the comedy writers and Dave truly sat down and tried to figure out the best way to research and destroy the Palin daughter's honor. I might add fluff to kid around, but that is the key issue for me.

Again let me stress, I don't care about Limbaugh, Letterman or Palin. I think only one of them has ever been good at their job (Letterman) and the world would be better if they all left the spotlight forever.

In honesty, I think it was a lazy joke (not an evil joke) gone terribly wrong and now you have Letterman getting ratings from it and Palin finding another excuse to do the media rounds. If this was someone saying another public figure's daughter was knocked up without political connotations, no one here would care and we'd be off posting the latest new topic to further divide the fan base.

Besides, if I wanted to pull in a horrible thing said about Chelsea, I'd stick with John McCain.

[Censored by Laurie]

Well now that you've gotten Rush out of your system when he was listed as part of my list of folks who took shots at Chelsea, can we get back to my actual argument about whether this was an evil, malicious plot for Letterman and friends to rape and whore the Palin kid 9intheir imaginations of course)? I know you keep redefining straw man to address one small point in the text, but no one - save Lifer and a few others - seems to question whether the comedy writers and Dave truly sat down and tried to figure out the best way to research and destroy the Palin daughter's honor. I might add fluff to kid around, but that is the key issue for me.

Again let me stress, I don't care about Limbaugh, Letterman or Palin. I think only one of them has ever been good at their job (Letterman) and the world would be better if they all left the spotlight forever.

In honesty, I think it was a lazy joke (not an evil joke) gone terribly wrong and now you have Letterman getting ratings from it and Palin finding another excuse to do the media rounds. If this was someone saying another public figure's daughter was knocked up without political connotations, no one here would care and we'd be off posting the latest new topic to further divide the fan base.

Besides, if I wanted to pull in a horrible thing said about Chelsea, I'd stick with John McCain.

Rediculous.

[KingDL1]

Letterman sucks, and he stopped being funny in 1992, the slide down hill was on. The only thing different now is the slide has gone off the cliff and Letterman is in full free fall. I loved letterman in the 80's he should have stayed there.

[SilverEagle]

I'm just gratified that, for once, none of the members of the President Obama hate/fear lunatic fringe has tried to tie him to this fiasco.

There's my silver lining in all this........

[UNTFan23]

I'm just gratified that, for once, none of the members of the President Obama hate/fear lunatic fringe has tried to tie him to this fiasco.

There's my silver lining in all this........

That's because Letterman's not good enough to get BO on his show ...

[KRAM1]

I'm just gratified that, for once, none of the members of the President Obama hate/fear lunatic fringe has tried to tie him to this fiasco.

There's my silver lining in all this........

But, rest assured, that if this happened during the Bush Administration the "other side" would have tried to pin it on him!

[UNTFan23]

But, rest assured, that if this happened during the Bush Administration the "other side" would have tried to pin it on him!

I'm surprised no one has tried to blame it on him right now.

Edited June 12, 2009 by UNTFan23

[UNT90]

Well holy crap - there's the proof. You refuted my imaginary scenario with a more sinister, imagined version with no facts whatsoever. Your imagination obviously trumps mine. If you can prove it, I'll happily apologize, but I just think everyone is making more of this than is needed.

Personally, I also like to imagine that the evil comedy writers also sat around and watched child pornography just to make sure that they were ready to really capture the true essence of this throw-away monologue joke. We should have them sent to Gitmo before they can really get spun up and propagate their evil further before 2012.

If I imagine it is real, it is real.

On a message board? Noooo, really? *sarcasm tag*

So you think they confirmed everything about Palin's trip to NY except who she brought with her? Well, good for you. Just because there is no proof doesn't mean a reasonable person can't look at all the facts and decide that something happened (otherwise very few child abusers would go to prison).

Did anyone see Matt Laurer giving Palin the third degree about her "Pedo Dave" comment? And giving her the 3rd degree about defending her daughter? Watch it and learn about the left media. Never questions Dave's responsibility in any of it. And he works for a competing network!

Stupid joke for which an apology should have been issued. Stupid subject which amuses me.

Edited June 12, 2009 by UNT90

[SilverEagle]

But, rest assured, that if this happened during the Bush Administration the "other side" would have tried to pin it on him!

The other side? I thought we were all Americans?

I wouldn't have because,

a. Bush was never smart enough to come up with even a lame joke like this, and

b. Lord Vader Cheny would have been a better choice to blame it on.

[Quoner]

So you think they confirmed everything about Palin's trip to NY except who she brought with her? Well, good for you. Just because there is no proof doesn't mean a reasonable person can't look at all the facts and decide that something happened (otherwise very few child abusers would go to prison).

I don't think they confirmed anything - I think they read the daily headlines and wrote a joke based on it - a lazy one just like 99% of the jokes that go into late night TV monologues. I'm glad you have some magical power of assumption that is greater than the others nad happens to conform to what you want everyone else to think, but stamping your feet and repeating it really won't do much. I might not seem like a reasonable person because I don't agree with you, but I don't know how you think they spent hours researching this joke to make it perfect when they probably just skimmed the front page of a news site or even just Fark.

Did anyone see Matt Laurer giving Palin the third degree about her "Pedo Dave" comment? And giving her the 3rd degree about defending her daughter? Watch it and learn about the left media. Never questions Dave's responsibility in any of it. And he works for a competing network!

Stupid joke for which an apology should have been issued. Stupid subject which amuses me.

I'm just going to quote Time's TV blog for the second part: http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2009/06/12/t...nues/#more-5085

Once you have expressed your outrage at remarks about you and your family, then done it again, then gone on the number-one morning show in the country to re-express it—it's no longer about the outrage.

Or rather, it's no longer about your outrage. (Nor, sorry, is it about the gas pipeline that provided the fig leaf for the coverage.) What it is, is another of those carefully maintained outrage-a-thons that were so delightful throughout the 2008 campaign. What it is—with the references to the "Hollywood / New York" mentality and the media not getting "our" values—is about positioning Palin for 2012 as the Agnew-esque candidate of cultural resentment against the media, Hollywood and "elites," with a 21st-century twist of identity politics. Because we saw how well that worked last time. (When, as I've said repeatedly, I voted for her opponents, so consider the source, etc.)

At the same time, she's punishing Dave by providing him tremendous exposure as he's facing a new competitor on NBC. (Who the Today Show is thus indirectly undermining. The ironies don't stop!) And upping the ante by deliberately refusing to say that her spokesperson was not calling Dave a child molester: "Take it however you want to take it."

What's curious to me is the question of just how eager Middle America is to hate Dave. (Also, calling America's sweetie Lauer "naive" on TV seems a little off to me as a PR move, but we'll see.) I mean, you have to take the targets that opportunity presents you, but this is not exactly like going to war with Eminem or Jeremiah Wright. First we were hearing that midwesterner Dave was mainstream America's late-night host because he wasn't goofy and lewd like Conan O'Brien. Now mainstream America's going to recoil from him as the face of snotty, out-of-touch Hollywood?

You tell me. Is anybody winning in this thing?

[UNT90]

I don't think they confirmed anything - I think they read the daily headlines and wrote a joke based on it - a lazy one just like 99% of the jokes that go into late night TV monologues. I'm glad you have some magical power of assumption that is greater than the others nad happens to conform to what you want everyone else to think, but stamping your feet and repeating it really won't do much. I might not seem like a reasonable person because I don't agree with you, but I don't know how you think they spent hours researching this joke to make it perfect when they probably just skimmed the front page of a news site or even just Fark.

I'm just going to quote Time's TV blog for the second part: http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2009/06/12/t...nues/#more-5085

Continue to live in fantasy land.

Seriously? Your quoting Time's TV blog in order to prove a conservative politician was treated fairly? Dude.

I don't want anyone else to think anything specific, just to think.

[Quoner]

Continue to live in fantasy land.

Seriously? Your quoting Time's TV blog in order to prove a conservative politician was treated fairly? Dude.

I don't want anyone else to think anything specific, just to think.

I do spin for a living and sure as hell can recognize it when it is forming - especially in a campaign. If I couldn't, I wouldn't have a job. You can rail against the source all you want, but the point is valid. He even admits who he voted for and says to consider the source with the material - not throw the material out while considering the source. She is using this whole "vicious attack" as a key cog for what her platform will be and, as someone who would probably vote for someone new next time already I don't want her to be the person I have to choose not to vote for. Personally, I don't think she makes a good leader of the free world and her turning this in to her launching point to get back in the news after some half-ass attempts to stay relevant frustrates me.

Maybe living in my fantasy land while not thinking will give me a Republican choice that's not a freaking joke in 4 years, but if this gets her traction, that becomes less likely. And that completely and utterly sucks.

If you want to think of it in GMG terms, who would get banned, the person who made the A-Rod joke or the person who turned around and called the other guy a pedophile and refused to back off of it?

[UNT90]

I do spin for a living and sure as hell can recognize it when it is forming - especially in a campaign. If I couldn't, I wouldn't have a job. You can rail against the source all you want, but the point is valid. He even admits who he voted for and says to consider the source with the material - not throw the material out while considering the source. She is using this whole "vicious attack" as a key cog for what her platform will be and, as someone who would probably vote for someone new next time already I don't want her to be the person I have to choose not to vote for. Personally, I don't think she makes a good leader of the free world and her turning this in to her launching point to get back in the news after some half-ass attempts to stay relevant frustrates me.

Maybe living in my fantasy land while not thinking will give me a Republican choice that's not a freaking joke in 4 years, but if this gets her traction, that becomes less likely. And that completely and utterly sucks.

If you want to think of it in GMG terms, who would get banned, the person who made the A-Rod joke or the person who turned around and called the other guy a pedophile and refused to back off of it?

Hell yes she is making political capital out of this. That doesn't change the fact that Dave served up this political capital at about 70 mph, belt high, and right down the middle.

I wouldn't vote for Palin in any Republican primary, and pray to god she is not anywhere near the nomination in 3 years, but that doesn't change the fact that Dave or Dave's staff has got a Palin obsession (whether it be Sarah or Willow) and intentionally stuck their foot in it, big time.

Dave could have put it to bed with a sincere apology, but I guess he really needs that ratings boost.

[yyz28]

a. Bush was never smart enough to come up with even a lame joke like this, and

...yet he was able to mastermind a plan that had everyone in congress, virtually every world intelligence agency and the bulk of the american public that Hussain was a real threat, but he really made the whole thing up himself.

I love the inconsistancy amoung the Bush was a dumb-ass crowd. ...at least he remembed the thought he was trying to get across without needing a teleprompter. It may not have sounded pretty, but you knew what he meant, prompter or no.

...OR... ...imgagine the possibilities... ...we drop the name calling and critique policy? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin.

[Green P1]

Remember the day's when comedians never brought up subjects found polarizing by the masses? Where have you gone Abbot & Costello?

Edited June 12, 2009 by Green P1

[EagleD]

Maybe, just maybe Dave's producer's see a chance at snagging some of Conan's viewers by creating this phony hype. Palin is helping him.

[Rudy]

Rush Scumbaugh

Really, how old are you? If that is the best you can do, please, for the love of God tell me you did not get a degree at UNT.

And BTW, don't ever try to tell me what to do again.

LOL, or.....?

There you go though...dispelling global warming. Now Hell isn't even hot? I start to think you may be pragmatic and you just throw that good will right out the window

How can hell be hot? All of the hot air is on this board.

We all agree that what he said is horrible,

We all agree that going after someone's kids is wrong

Problem is, that I don't think we all agree on that

I'm surprised no one has tried to blame it on him right now.

Just wait, its coming.

Dave or Dave's staff has got a Palin obsession

Along with everyone else who wants to take shots at the Republican party.

Remember the day's when comedians never brought up subjects found polarizing by the masses? Where have you gone Abbot & Costello?

I remember when comedians used to actually be funny.

[EagleD]

Really, how old are you? If that is the best you can do, please, for the love of God tell me you did not get a degree at UNT.

I can clearly do better name calling, but this promoter of hate speech doesn't deserve my time. I'll leave that up to Bill Hicks.

BTW when SUMG called President Obama "President Urckle", did you call him out on that?

[FirefightnRick]

...and since we're hijacking the thread, Limbaugh did NOT directly call Chelsea the Whitehouse dog, but don't let FACTS get in the way of your defense of this attack on the Palin family.

The transcript of the television show proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the topic of the segment was "In/Out" by David Hinckley and occurred on Nov. 6, 1992 - 2 months before the Clintons occupied the White House or before anyone knew there was a Socks. It was about the fact that on its way "Out" was "the cute dog" and on its way "In" was "the cute kid." Limbaugh asked for a picture of the cute kid, and Millie the Bush dog was still showing - he said "No no no, that's not the kid; can we please get a picture of the kid - ok, that's the kid." The person who didn't change pictures quickly enough was fired. But the most you can accuse Limbaugh of is calling Millie the dog (who everyone knew at the time and would have recognized immediately) a "cute kid."

Here is the actual Transcript –

You won't find the ACTUAL transcript of him calling Chelsea a dog because... SURVEY SAYS... IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!

Thanks for playing. ...the Failboat is about to set sail.

By the way, one of the reasons Palin was in New York city last weekend was to attend a couple of events to help raise money for charity, one for the city of Auburn which is trying to build a museum there and the other to help raise awareness for Autism.

Earlier in the day, she joined thousands at a fund-raising walk to autism research.

In a speech, Palin called for measures to make life better for people with developmental disabilities.

The former Republican vice presidential candidate's youngest son, Trig, has Down syndrome........

......More than 20,000 people turned out to see Palin Saturday in upstate Auburn, where she helped officials celebrate Founder's Day and raise money for a museum.

Rick

Edited June 13, 2009 by FirefightnRick

[Rudy]

I can clearly do better name calling, but this promoter of hate speech doesn't deserve my time. I'll leave that up to Bill Hicks.

BTW when SUMG called President Obama "President Urckle", did you call him out on that?

No, that was more original and took more thought than what you came up with.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

---Letterman's comments were classless. But the big reason that GOP people became such a big target is the claims by the GOP that they are the Christian, moral and family oriented group while the opposition is not. That really ticks people off....especially since the actions of that group shows continiously getting caught in some immoral scandel. Granted, Palin's situation is a bit different... but if you are going to claim something... you better back it up with your actions.... they as group aren't. They brought all this on themselves. Despite all that, Letterman should have known better, very bad taste.

---They also claim to be conservative.. but the last President doubled the national debt... which means he equaled the budget overruns equal to the ENTIRE 42 previous Presidents COMBINED..

---They just aren't what they claim to be. People are catching on.

Edited June 13, 2009 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[SilverEagle]

...yet he was able to mastermind a plan that had everyone in congress, virtually every world intelligence agency and the bulk of the american public that Hussain was a real threat, but he really made the whole thing up himself.

I love the inconsistancy amoung the Bush was a dumb-ass crowd. ...at least he remembed the thought he was trying to get across without needing a teleprompter. It may not have sounded pretty, but you knew what he meant, prompter or no.

...OR... ...imgagine the possibilities... ...we drop the name calling and critique policy? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin.

That was Carl Rove who came up with that, and Bush just read it......from a teleprompter......sort of.