Coker/utsa Article On Rivals Front Page

H-towngreen · June 11, 2009

My girlfriend's father attributes that to Katrina victims that never went back.

As far as Katrina refugees that never went back whatever it is in San Antonio it is/was 10 times worse here in Houston.

On topic, I agree with most that TSU is more of a concern than UTSA. No campus life, stadium thats 20 min away, and most importantly they haven't played a game yet.

LoveMG · June 11, 2009

- San Antonio is a nice place to visit but is the most dangerous city in America now from the crime (per capita).

dallas was most dangerous for the past couple years until they recently stopped counting all the crime

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...n1.50f39d0.html

Edited June 11, 2009 by LoveMG

UNTLifer · June 11, 2009

As far as Katrina refugees that never went back whatever it is in San Antonio it is/was 10 times worse here in Houston.

Yep, SW Houston is a nightmare. Guess where the Katrina refugees settled?

H-towngreen · June 11, 2009

I particularly like the stories of people going to the Astrodome to volunteer in any way possible only to have their cars stolen by those fleeing New Orleans

UNTLifer · June 11, 2009

I particularly like the stories of people going to the Astrodome to volunteer in any way possible only to have their cars stolen by those fleeing New Orleans

My previous employer collected general items, toiletries, etc... to be delivered over to the Astrodome and many employees also volunteered. Once they arrived, the females were told it would be best if they just dropped off the items and left.

UNT90 · June 12, 2009

Since we're issuing geography-based arguments...you do realize where Texas State is, right?
The point Lonnie is making is that UTSA has the leadership and the drive in place...and he is highly skeptical that UNT can say the same. I don't particularly agree with him, as I am satisfied, that considerring the hand he's been dealt, that RV has done an admirable job of building our atheltic department as a whole...but that doesn't make his concern any less valid.
You also may want to apply your reasoning as to why UTSA football would fail to another large state school...

TSU has on campus students, a relatively college-based community, football tradition, and a new on-campus stadium. All reasons they are more of a threat than UTSA, which isn't saying much.

Maybe I misunderstand your last sentence, but surely you aren't suggesting that UTSA can compete with UT? If you are talking about them competing with us, they are light years away. It will take one heck of an administrative effort to move that program at the speed of light. I just don't see it.

The Fake Lonnie Finch · June 12, 2009

You guys are focusing way too much on UTSA and not enough on what really counts in college football - money. San Antonio is a big potential market and the NCAA will do all it can to help UTSA try to tap it. Having a former national championship coach from another school in a large latino community is only going to help.

Your focus on attendance is misplaced. The NCAA won't care in this case and neither will Conference USA. UTSA will be cut some slack in order to get San Antonio fully into the college football mix.

The bottom line is, they will surpass us unless we do something big - like hire a real coach who starts winning and putting players in the NFL. Until that happens, you may as well make yourselves content at watching start up programs from here and abroad quickly jump past us.

They have bigger names, venues, and cities - we have a high school coach, some drawings of a stadium, and no national (or even regional) media pull. That's the reality of the situation.

UNTLifer · June 12, 2009

You guys are focusing way too much on UTSA and not enough on what really counts in college football - money. San Antonio is a big potential market and the NCAA will do all it can to help UTSA try to tap it. Having a former national championship coach from another school in a large latino community is only going to help.
Your focus on attendance is misplaced. The NCAA won't care in this case and neither will Conference USA. UTSA will be cut some slack in order to get San Antonio fully into the college football mix.
The bottom line is, they will surpass us unless we do something big - like hire a real coach who starts winning and putting players in the NFL. Until that happens, you may as well make yourselves content at watching start up programs from here and abroad quickly jump past us.
They have bigger names, venues, and cities - we have a high school coach, some drawings of a stadium, and no national (or even regional) media pull. That's the reality of the situation.

So, what really counts in college football? Money or coaching and putting players in the NFL?

If the big markets matter so much to the NCAA why doesn't NYU have a great football team, or Chicago, or Dallas, or Houston, or San Francisco/Oakland, etc...?

UNT90 · June 12, 2009

You guys are focusing way too much on UTSA and not enough on what really counts in college football - money. San Antonio is a big potential market and the NCAA will do all it can to help UTSA try to tap it.

Replace UTSA with UNT and San Antonio with DFW and this statement makes just as much sense.

stebo · June 17, 2009

The Alamodome is centrally located and about 15 miles from UTSA's Main Campus about 1 mile from its Downtown Campus. Look, I know they have a good coach and a nice facility but I don't know much more.
One thing I do know, however, is that North San Antonio is amazingly safe. I know this because I live here and UTSA's Main Campus is not too far from where I work so I see it everyday. If your suggesting people should be afraid to go to UTSA because it's dangerous then that's laughable. Just look across the street from it, there's a Neiman Marcus, Tiffany & CO. and a Ferrari dealership. lol, they don't build those things within a 2 mile radius of something that's not safe.

I asked the g/f's mom where she heard that San Antonio was ranked the most dangerous city in the country... she said that she heard it on the radio on the drive to work... anyway - she said it was a list by the FBI. After looking around the internet - she was kind of right... but there are lots of lists. The FBI named the 5 "least safe" cities in the country (which is different than their most dangerous)..

Again - most people flip it and call it most dangerous - from the SA paper's blog:

And today comes out another list put out by the FBI. Top five most dangerous cities:

1. Memphis, Tennessee

2. Atlanta

3. San Antonio

4. Detroit

5. Milwaukee

After reading a bit on the net - it looks like there are lots of list and I don't know what the criteria is. Sounds like it was just some radio mouths yapping. I still don't think that UTSA can suddenly develop "pride" and "new tradition" overnight. It's gonna take a LONG time IMHO. Decades.

aztecskin · June 17, 2009

After reading stebo's treatise on SA, I got ready to type up a rebuttal. Then I saw that it already was responded to. So I guess this will just be a 'Yeah! What HE said!' :

It really is totally bs that you say we in SA are into 'futbol'. This is not true. There are Mexicans there. Like just-crossed-over Mexicans. THEY like it. The rest of us who are AMERICANS like AMERICAN football. We are Cowboy fans, (some Texan fans, but mostly they are just Oiler fans that are making do) , UT fans, and most of all: Spurs fans.

So applying a little logic to the situation here, given that the UTSA basketball team sucks ass most of the time, and the Spurs have won 4 championships and came close the other 6 years this last decade, it is not hard to see why we spend our basketball entertainment dollars on quality products and not at the Convocation Center (Road Runners' home). I, however, have been to a few games there. Having lived in both places I can tell you that the interest is comparable to the interest in UNT sports.

I agree that the thinking that there will be a huge fanbase waiting to embrace this new football team is slightly unrealistic. However, I will not underestimate the Ownership Feeling. When the Saints and Vikes came to town in 2003(?) for a preseason game, I went and it was just alright. I mean it was NFL, but they weren't OUR teams. However, when they played reg season games in the Alamodome, and there was talk of them relocating, all of a sudden I started questioning my loyalty to the Cowboys. I am not lying. I went to Falcons and Lions game. I was a Saints fan for those games. It is similar to when I choose UNT over UT. I had always been a die-hard UT fan. I still like them, but when it comes down to choosing between the two-- of course I gotta go with the Green. I know for a fact that San Antonio backs its own 100% if its quality stuff. Again, IF IT IS QUALITY STUFF. We didn't go to any USFL games or CFL games. Who would?

We show up. We have an inferiority complex. Everyone always knocks our city--- "filled with dem dern mescans" "wow, its actually nice there, I thought it would be like little-Mexico".-- So when we get a chance to prove that we can do stuff, we go all out. The NCAA raves about how every Final Four in SA is a phenomenal success. It doesn't follow that a town without a college basketball team of note would host some of the most successful FF's in the last decade does it? No, but we got the chance and we ran with it.

That is why UTSA is potentially dangerous. They have tried really hard to change the commuter, night school, juco image that they have had (all valid--that is why I didn't want to go there). They are slowly building up the hype and at the very least, they will have a sizable crowd the first game in 2011.

So I'd rather UNT leadership and fans take a 'how can we learn from this, and how much should we worry?' approach rather than a 'don't worry about it, we'll just keep putting up 1 and 2 win seasons and that'll bring 'em in' approach.

Quoner · June 17, 2009

After reading stebo's treatise on SA, I got ready to type up a rebuttal. Then I saw that it already was responded to. So I guess this will just be a 'Yeah! What HE said!' :

Tell us more about the process.

stebo · June 17, 2009

Tell us more about the process.

LOL.. you crack me up Quoner.

Aztex - it always amazes me when someone takes one word out of a long post and gets offended. It sounds like you actually agree with me. The topic was - will UTSA have immediate success and be embraced by the city and be embraced by CUSA and are they a THREAT to NT's will to be in CUSA. My opinion is "no"... NCAA football is not the NFL. There is too much competition and UT-SA is not in the shape to snap their fingers and create a fan base overnight especially when they are already Div I and cannot draw diddly squat for their current teams. San Antonio has not embraced UT-SA, even though they love basketball and love the Spurs. San Antonio is a BEAUTIFUL city and when people come in from out of town that is the place everyone wants to go. I live in Dallas and I would bet that the demographic breakdown is similar. I will add to that - I don't live in Anglo-Saxon Dallas to the North.. I live down South with the brown people... and am pretty darn brown myself.

This thread was not about any of that - it was about "Is UTSA and Coker going to pass NT" - I say not for decades. They may prove me wrong. I certainly am not a perfect person but I do not like your insinuations in any way. And yes - if a professional soccer team were to set up shop in San Antonio, I would say that it would be very successful and quickly. Not because San Antonio is inferior but because there is no competition. People aren't clammoring to become Dallas Whatever fans (I don't even know the name of the team) in Frisco. San Antonio has many UT fans as well as Tech, Houston, NT, Rice, A&M, even Texas State... that entire population doesn't just toss aside their allegiances to support yet another mediocre FBS wannabe.

Green Lantern · June 17, 2009

Tell us more about the process.

I prefer the show me the baby approach.

aztecskin · June 17, 2009

LOL.. you crack me up Quoner.
Aztex - it always amazes me when someone takes one word out of a long post and gets offended. It sounds like you actually agree with me. The topic was - will UTSA have immediate success and be embraced by the city and be embraced by CUSA and are they a THREAT to NT's will to be in CUSA. My opinion is "no"... NCAA football is not the NFL. There is too much competition and UT-SA is not in the shape to snap their fingers and create a fan base overnight especially when they are already Div I and cannot draw diddly squat for their current teams. San Antonio has not embraced UT-SA, even though they love basketball and love the Spurs. San Antonio is a BEAUTIFUL city and when people come in from out of town that is the place everyone wants to go. I live in Dallas and I would bet that the demographic breakdown is similar. I will add to that - I don't live in Anglo-Saxon Dallas to the North.. I live down South with the brown people... and am pretty darn brown myself.
This thread was not about any of that - it was about "Is UTSA and Coker going to pass NT" - I say not for decades. They may prove me wrong. I certainly am not a perfect person but I do not like your insinuations in any way. And yes - if a professional soccer team were to set up shop in San Antonio, I would say that it would be very successful and quickly. Not because San Antonio is inferior but because there is no competition. People aren't clammoring to become Dallas Whatever fans (I don't even know the name of the team) in Frisco. San Antonio has many UT fans as well as Tech, Houston, NT, Rice, A&M, even Texas State... that entire population doesn't just toss aside their allegiances to support yet another mediocre FBS wannabe.

Yeah, and I am saying that you are underestimating San Antonio, and that although I think CUSA is unrealistic within 5 years for them, I think that if we don't respect them as a threat, then UTSA will be a more viable choice than UNT for an athlete.

also:

Uh, so you meant that Soccer would be popular because it doesn't have competition ... by saying that 'the general public' is more interested in 'futbol' than football?!?!

Also, yes we love basketball, and mostly winning basketball. The Road Runners suck. Can it really be held against sa that they don't want to see crappy basketball?

By your listing your 'look I am not afraid of the mexican, and I actually live with them!' facts, I am guessing that you thought I was insinuating that you were being racist? I quoted frequent criticisms that I have heard. ( 'filled with dem dern mescans' etc)

stebo · June 18, 2009

Good lord. Ok - I am wrong, you are right. Feel better? Go blog about it.

Quoner · June 18, 2009

Yeah, and I am saying that you are underestimating San Antonio, and that although I think CUSA is unrealistic within 5 years for them, I think that if we don't respect them as a threat, then UTSA will be a more viable choice than UNT for an athlete.
also:
Uh, so you meant that Soccer would be popular because it doesn't have competition ... by saying that 'the general public' is more interested in 'futbol' than football?!?!
Also, yes we love basketball, and mostly winning basketball. The Road Runners suck. Can it really be held against sa that they don't want to see crappy basketball?
By your listing your 'look I am not afraid of the mexican, and I actually live with them!' facts, I am guessing that you thought I was insinuating that you were being racist? I quoted frequent criticisms that I have heard. ( 'filled with dem dern mescans' etc)

More process!