As Bizarre As They Come....

[UNT_playmaker]

Enjoy!!!!!

Luckily nobody got hurt...and the person injured didnt sustain further injuries

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/31/h...a_n_209500.html

Edited May 31, 2009 by UNT_playmaker

[UNTFan23]

Could you imagine what would have happened had the patient inside the ambulance been in critical condition and died while the police had the vehicle pulled over?

[EagleD]

Uh oh. You posted something form Huffingtonpost. It must have a liberal slant. It can't possibly be true.

[UNTFan23]

Uh oh. You posted something form Huffingtonpost. It must have a liberal slant. It can't possibly be true.

You can view articles from the Tulsa World here and here.

[meangreendork]

Wow. This looks like a huge tangle. I figure the troopers would know something urgent was going as the ambulance was zipping along with its lights on. Of course, sirens should be on, but I think that's a minor issue compared to the patient inside of the ambulance. Ugh.

Though, my spidey-sense tells me the trooper in question is probably in trouble for raging out on an ambulance driver with a patient in the vehicle. Talk about overreaction.

[UNTnewbie]

You can view articles from the Tulsa World here and here.

The Tulsa World has been, for the past decade, and is one of the most Liberal Papers in the US.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

--- Good grief.. what has liberal/conservative got to do with it.. The cop is an idiot just as the one was at the Hospital in Plano recently..... when the mother in law died while the cop detained the man on the hospital parking lot.

[UNTnewbie]

--- Good grief.. what has liberal/conservative got to do with it.. The cop is an idiot just as the one was at the Hospital in Plano recently..... when the mother in law died while the cop detained the man on the hospital parking lot.

Nothing. Just stating a fact in response to a post, I know, don't confuse you with facts.... My bad!

[FirefightnRick]

I'll wait until I hear the troopers' side of the story before passing judgement. As it is, it seems no harm seems to have come of this to the patient(most important) and the video proves little in what wrong was or may have occured. It may be the the trooper very well saved someone's life down the road for reminding an ambulance driver that he isn't above the law in regards to emergency services. Hauling ass in an emergency situation without any warning signals puts everyone at risk.

Rick

Edited June 2, 2009 by FirefightnRick

[emmitt01]

I'll wait until I hear the troopers' side of the story before passing judgement. As it is, it seems no harm seems to have come of this to the patient(most important) and the video proves little in what wrong was or may have occured. It may be the the trooper very well saved someone's life down the road for reminding an ambulance driver that he isn't above the law in regards to emergency services. Hauling ass in an emergency situation without any warning signals puts everyone at risk.

Rick

Agree...and disagree. Yes, the ambulance driver should have been ticketed or disiplined in some way, after he was able to get his patient to the hospital. They could have escorted the ambulance there, recorded the ambulance number and contacted the ambulance company to get his name...or simply written down his driver's license info quickly and told him the citation would be filed at large. Why they chose to attempt an arrest in this situation, short of a capital murder warrant or something of the same magnitude, is beyond me. And the choke hold he places the EMT who is NOT driving in is confusing to say the least. I don't know of any department that teaches that as a viable means of suspect control, especially when he maintains his grip around the man's neck while they hold a conversation that appears to be somewhat civil.

Only two things will come out of this:

1)Claims of racism because the officer was white and the EMT was black and not the traffic violator but instead a passenger. Right or wrong this is where many minds will go.

2)Further generalizations about police officers that will be used as "evidence" of a prevailing pattern anytime someone is upset/indignant because they were caught doing wrong.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

---Good comment Emmitt----- The police may have not been wrong to try to stop him since he had no lights/siren on... but once he realized the situation he should have told him to turn them on and let him go. Any ticket that was to be issued could have waited until the end of the run. Almost all of us realize that most police do have a good head on their shouldiers but I have met a few that are a power trip and just want to display their authority. Those kinds just need to go..

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

Wow. This looks like a huge tangle. I figure the troopers would know something urgent was going as the ambulance was zipping along with its lights on. Of course, sirens should be on, but I think that's a minor issue compared to the patient inside of the ambulance. Ugh.

Though, my spidey-sense tells me the trooper in question is probably in trouble for raging out on an ambulance driver with a patient in the vehicle. Talk about overreaction.

...the Creek Nation ambulance, which did not have its emergency lights or siren on....

The ambulance didn't have its siren or lights on.

If the ambulance had hit another car causing injury or a death, they'd be sued for driving at those high speeds without their siren and lights on. There have been many lawsuits against police agencies for police hit other vehicles while speeding to the scene of crimes without their lights and sirens on.

The reason for lights and sirens is to clearly warn the public that the vehicle is in route to or in the middle of an emergency. You can't just speed because you drive an ambulance, fire truck, or police squad car. This is basic driver training for those employed in such fields.

The guys in the ambulance should have had their lights and sirens on if they were in an emergency situation. A police officer can't just guess what is happening if he tries to pull over an ambulance which is speeding through towns without its lights and sirens. It's not up to a police officer to read a driver's mind.

[meangreendork]

...the Creek Nation ambulance, which did not have its emergency lights or siren on....

The ambulance didn't have its siren or lights on.

If the ambulance had hit another car causing injury or a death, they'd be sued for driving at those high speeds without their siren and lights on. There have been many lawsuits against police agencies for police hit other vehicles while speeding to the scene of crimes without their lights and sirens on.

The reason for lights and sirens is to clearly warn the public that the vehicle is in route to or in the middle of an emergency. You can't just speed because you drive an ambulance, fire truck, or police squad car. This is basic driver training for those employed in such fields.

The guys in the ambulance should have had their lights and sirens on if they were in an emergency situation. A police officer can't just guess what is happening if he tries to pull over an ambulance which is speeding through towns without its lights and sirens. It's not up to a police officer to read a driver's mind.

Misread it.

The ambulance crew should've had its lights on. Though, I agree with Emmitt here - let the ambulance get where it's going, get the crew's ID, and report them. Then, go about other police business. I don't think the state trooper should've been so aggressive and hair-trigger here.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

I don't think the state trooper should've been so aggressive and hair-trigger here.

Maybe or maybe not. You're talking about rural Oklahoma here. There's no telling what could happen. Many of my friends from law school who stayed up around Tulsa, which is up in Creek Territory, are now either prosecuting or defending meth users and sellers.

A state trooper in those little town, or any little town in America...you never know what people are doing when they're speeding along and won't pull over. For all they knew, the ambulance could have been stolen or something. Criminals have stolen ambulances and squad cars before.

It's easy to Monday morning quarterback the troopers here. But, I wouldn't put myself in their shoes. What they see and what they know they've got to be ready for, and then to be ready for the unexpected as well? No. I'm not second guessing them.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/1646...rash/index.html

http://wbztv.com/local/stolen.ambulance.Wi...m.2.666664.html

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/03...ance-crash.html

http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/strange/offbe...200901022145414

http://www1.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/11...07-1354725.html

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/200...html?&wired

http://publicsafety.com/article/article.js...;siteSection=20

Edited June 2, 2009 by The Fake Lonnie Finch

[Guest JohnDenver]

Maybe or maybe not. You're talking about rural Oklahoma here. There's no telling what could happen. Many of my friends from law school who stayed up around Tulsa, which is up in Creek Territory, are now either prosecuting or defending meth users and sellers.

A state trooper in those little town, or any little town in America...you never know what people are doing when they're speeding along and won't pull over. For all they knew, the ambulance could have been stolen or something. Criminals have stolen ambulances and squad cars before.

It's easy to Monday morning quarterback the troopers here. But, I wouldn't put myself in their shoes. What they see and what they know they've got to be ready for, and then to be ready for the unexpected as well? No. I'm not second guessing them.

This is a professional (the EMT), not a meth user. I am sure training can allow the OHP to tell the difference.

Also note, I live in Oklahoma City, so the news is more on top of this here. As I understand it, the ambulance wasn't "zipping along." It was in route to the hospital. The OHP was "zipping along" and had its lights on, not the siren. When the ambulance noticed the OHP 3ft from his bumper, he pulled to the side. Then the OHP had a nice snide remark on the radio... Followed by a "surprised" gesture by the EMT (says not a middle finger). That is when later in town, the OHP pulled him over and lost his cool.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Maybe or maybe not. You're talking about rural Oklahoma here. There's no telling what could happen. Many of my friends from law school who stayed up around Tulsa, which is up in Creek Territory, are now either prosecuting or defending meth users and sellers.

A state trooper in those little town, or any little town in America...you never know what people are doing when they're speeding along and won't pull over. For all they knew, the ambulance could have been stolen or something. Criminals have stolen ambulances and squad cars before.

It's easy to Monday morning quarterback the troopers here. But, I wouldn't put myself in their shoes. What they see and what they know they've got to be ready for, and then to be ready for the unexpected as well? No. I'm not second guessing them.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/1646...rash/index.html

http://wbztv.com/local/stolen.ambulance.Wi...m.2.666664.html

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/03...ance-crash.html

http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/strange/offbe...200901022145414

http://www1.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/11...07-1354725.html

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/200...html?&wired

http://publicsafety.com/article/article.js...;siteSection=20

--As I said... once he stopped him or realized that he was ligit... turn him loose, and tell him to get his lights on and take care of any ticket situation later.