Michael Vick

[NT03]

No Suspension

4 games

8 games

12 games

1 year

2 year

Lifetime Ban

What to do with Vick if you were commissoner ?

Edited May 21, 2009 by NT03

[eulessismore]

No Suspension

4 games

8 games

12 games

1 year

2 year

Lifetime Ban

What to do with Vick if you were commissoner ?

Wait for the New York Times to come out with an article on recidivism rates among dogfight promoters?

[GreenBat]

No Suspension

4 games

8 games

12 games

1 year

2 year

Lifetime Ban

What to do with Vick if you were commissoner ?

He is already serving an indefinate suspension. If the commisioner does not want him back he doesn't need to do anything.

[Rudy]

As much as I despise what he did and hope he became somebody's biatch, give him another year to keep his nose out of trouble, then if so, he deserves another chance.

[oldguystudent]

Pete Rose is banned from the game of baseball and the HOF for life for making sports bets, it's as if Buck Weaver never even existed for even being on the same team as some guys who fixed a series, and we want to let Michael Vick back in after running a dog fighting ring? Man, something ain't right with that.

[Rudy]

I dont want to let Vick back in, but if he earns the chance, then so be it. You're right on Rose, it is ludricous that he is punished the way he has been.

[eulessismore]

Pete Rose is banned from the game of baseball and the HOF for life for making sports bets, it's as if Buck Weaver never even existed for even being on the same team as some guys who fixed a series, and we want to let Michael Vick back in after running a dog fighting ring? Man, something ain't right with that.

That's the key to the whole Vick thing, whether or not the fact of his involvement in gambling can be glossed over (the judge in his criminal case didn't seem convinced of his noninvolvement in that). Once an athlete is publicly known to have a gambling problem, they're done for in sports. Any league will decide it's not worth the chance; lingering doubts about games being fixed and all that.

[CMJ]

Gambling puts at risk the essence of the sport. If you're a manager and bet against your own team, that's the worst possible thing you can do. OR if you bet on your team in a specific game, that also changes the way you manage for that particular contest(this is especially for baseball with lineup changes and a 162 game schedule). You might handle the bullpen differently...like it's a postseason game. In so doing you could trash your team for acouple of days or more because you threw everything into winning THAT game you had money on and would hurt you in others.

You don't manage regular season like postseason. With gambling involved you very well would.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Gambling puts at risk the essence of the sport. If you're a manager and bet against your own team, that's the worst possible thing you can do. OR if you bet on your team in a specific game, that also changes the way you manage for that particular contest(this is especially for baseball with lineup changes and a 162 game schedule). You might handle the bullpen differently...like it's a postseason game. In so doing you could trash your team for acouple of days or more because you threw everything into winning THAT game you had money on and would hurt you in others.

You don't manage regular season like postseason. With gambling involved you very well would.

---Absolutely correct... Gambling undermines the credibility of the sport...and puts it on the level of wrestling. If Rose bet on games that he was involved in... then he should gone forever...... He knew the rules.

---I'm no Vick fan and hope that any team I support doesn't touch him but he has paid dearly. If someone wants to sign him, let them.... and with no or a short suspension... which is likely meaningless anyway since he would need to get into shape and learn the playbook. I would play him as a Randle-El type player, not the QB (at least at first) because that position is the face of the team. That way he could quietly re-enter the league.

Edited May 21, 2009 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[GBarksdale]

He should never be allowed to play for the NFL.

He. Went. To. Prison.

There should be some minimum standard to hold these guys to, and if serving time doesn't meet that threshold, what then?

[Michael Scott]

He should never be allowed to play for the NFL.

He. Went. To. Prison.

There should be some minimum standard to hold these guys to, and if serving time doesn't meet that threshold, what then?

You're just pissed because you have the word "bark" in your screen name. Racist.

[UNTflyer]

I voted for a lifetime ban. Why?

Because he didn't go to a club and find himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. He didn't foolishly get drunk, drive home, and hit a high school senior.

This guy ran a business where dogs were horribly injured and killed. He intentionally and cruelly executed dogs that didn't perform to his standards, and he did it for fun and profit. He's a psychopath. Roger Goodell could go a long way in restoring the NFL's social image by keeping this animal off the field.

Edited May 21, 2009 by UNTflyer

[oldguystudent]

I voted for a lifetime ban. Why?

Because he didn't go to a club and find himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. He didn't foolishly get drunk, drive home, and hit a high school senior.

This guy ran a business where dogs were horribly injured and killed. He intentionally and cruelly executed dogs that didn't perform to his standards, and he did it for fun and profit. He's a psychopath. Roger Goodell could go a long way in restoring the NFL's social image by keeping this animal off the field.

I do believe that's twice in one week where we have completely agreed on something. I see others coming together on this board who typically disagree on matters. Perhaps GMG.com really is the cause of AND solution to all the world's problems!

[Mean Green 93-98]

Gambling puts at risk the essence of the sport. If you're a manager and bet against your own team, that's the worst possible thing you can do. OR if you bet on your team in a specific game, that also changes the way you manage for that particular contest(this is especially for baseball with lineup changes and a 162 game schedule). You might handle the bullpen differently...like it's a postseason game. In so doing you could trash your team for acouple of days or more because you threw everything into winning THAT game you had money on and would hurt you in others.

You don't manage regular season like postseason. With gambling involved you very well would.

Pete Rose never bet against his own team. However, the times he failed to bet on them would have been revealing to his bookies.

[Rudy]

You're just pissed because you have the word "bark" in your screen name. Racist.

Dude, are you freaking serious? Please tell me you are joking.

[UNTflyer]

I do believe that's twice in one week where we have completely agreed on something. I see others coming together on this board who typically disagree on matters. Perhaps GMG.com really is the cause of AND solution to all the world's problems!

[SilverEagle]

He should never be allowed to play for the NFL.

He. Went. To. Prison.

...AFTER he became a professional football player, not during the era of his foolish youth. And even if what he did WAS during the era of his foolish youth (which we all seem to get a pass for) I agree with Flyer ( ) it was psycho/sociopathic behavior. Cruelty to animals is on most psychologist's "don't-turn-your-back-on-this-dude" check-list. You don't learn to get over something like that. And people like that are more likely to do you in if you ever thwart them.

Edited May 22, 2009 by SilverEagle

[eulessismore]

I do believe that's twice in one week where we have completely agreed on something. I see others coming together on this board who typically disagree on matters. Perhaps GMG.com really is the cause of AND solution to all the world's problems!

Sorry I didn't have the guts to come out and say what I really believed, which is what you two guys have said. My lame defense is that I consider most people to be oblivious to such blatant and needless cruelty, so I take a narrow approach and attack such behavior on economic grounds, such as "he was also gambling, and that undermines the credibility of the sport". My bad.

Edited May 22, 2009 by eulessismore

[greenminer]

I voted for a lifetime ban. Why?

Because he didn't go to a club and find himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. He didn't foolishly get drunk, drive home, and hit a high school senior.

This guy ran a business where dogs were horribly injured and killed. He intentionally and cruelly executed dogs that didn't perform to his standards, and he did it for fun and profit. He's a psychopath. Roger Goodell could go a long way in restoring the NFL's social image by keeping this animal off the field.

Can you make a case that Vick got involved in the wrong crowd for one wrong business, while PacMan has revisited the same wrong crowd over and over, despite the different troubles he finds himself in?

A permi-ban on Vick by Goodwell would seem like the right thing to do, and should be in an equalized world; but it wouldn't be consistent with the punishment Goodwell has levied on others that IMO have done just as bad or worse.

I really don't know Vick and wouldn't speak on his behalf, but I would think/hope he recognizes the seriousness of what he's done and wouldn't dare walk down this path again. Betting and fixing games is one thing, gaining profit based on animal cruelty is betting but seems to me a different habit? Maybe I'm alone in that thinking. And if he's been convicted of his crime and served his time as determined by a judge, why should the NFL consider acting as another judiciary system?

Where does crime and punishment cross over into NFL code of conduct policy? Can his jail-time be considered his suspension served?

I'm glad I'm not making the call.

[UNTflyer]

How extreme does the bad behavior by NFL players need to get under Goodell before someone is finally kicked out of the league for life? There have been 6 lifetime bans and two of them that have stuck, one was Art Schlichter (gambling on college basketball) and the other is Stanley Wilson (substance abuse). The other 4 lifetime bans were for substance abuse, and were lifted after 1 year. All of these under Pete Rozzell.

Over and over, we've seen criminal behavior forgiven by the league, and why? Is there really a shortage of football talent in the world? These guys need to know that playing in the NFL is a privilege reserved for those who respect their team, the league, the fans, and (forgive my sentimentalism) their country and fellow man.

If you or I did what Michael Vick did, would we be able to return to our jobs after a year in the joint? We'd be bagging groceries at the Safeway.

Edited May 22, 2009 by UNTflyer

[oldguystudent]

If you or I did what Michael Vick did, would we be able to return to our jobs after a year in the joint? We'd be bagging groceries at the Safeway.

In most of the corporate world, if you or I were cited for spitting on the sidewalk we wouldn't even qualify to bag groceries at Safeway. Those background checks they carry out for even the most menial jobs are a bitch.