Liberal Taliban Issues Fatwa Against Miss California

meangreendork · May 17, 2009

I wouldn't call Perez Hilton someone worth paying attention to. He's a celeb gossip columnist. The guy doesn't start to qualify as a political analyst or even a political pundit. My liberal half wouldn't consider this guy a "comrade" because he shows all the intelligence of a pack of ketchup, and my conservative side thinks he doesn't know nearly enough of anything political to even bother countering his statements.

I won't even say how out-of-line that was for Perez Hilton to ask that question in the first place. I don't agree with Prejean, but that was not the the place, nor the time for that sort of question.

I won't often cite wikipedia, but here's the guy in question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perez_Hilton

You gotta ask yourself, regardless of your political leaning, "is this guy even half-credible?". The guy goes around trying to "out" celebrities he thinks may be gay. That's pretty much out-of-line, and that also violates a lot of personal privacy rights I would assume he would otherwise be in favor of. I wouldn't want this guy or anyone like him to be part of any movement I was working with.

Edited May 17, 2009 by meangreendork

CaribbeanGreen · May 18, 2009

CG-
Where do you come to the conclusion Ms. California is anti-gay?? All she said was that she believed marriage should be between a man and a woman. That is not "bashing" anyone.
Evidently, you can not come up with inflamatory anti-gay statements she said so, as a "red liberal" you have to invent something that was not said or psychoanalize something that was not there. If you want inflamatory read and listen to the vile that your comarade in arms Perez Hilton has said. That is discrimination and you, CG, aint up in arms about what the "red left" says about the right but "only" what the "right" says. "Truth in Lending?" Not in your vocabulary. Now you can go have another beer.

Gee, I dunno... was i supposed to provide you with some statements? Missed that one... and I guess you did too, since her comments weren't posted on Storm Front.

Where did I say she was anti-gay in general?? That's right... NOWHERE. Link?

Where did I say she was "bashing" anyone.... oh, that's right!!!.... NOWHERE. Link?

What the hell am I up in arms about? Not Miss California. I'm the one saying this is a non-issue. Suddenly, perez hilton is my "comrade"... yeah, that's cute. Couldn't pick him out of a lineup. didn't see the pageant. But that was fun, for someone claiming I'm "inventing" things... I said she was anti-gay RIGHTS (totally different from anti-gay in general), you seriously disagree with that?? Seriously?? I'm not indicting anyone who is against gay marriage, i don't even have a strong stance on it at all myself; but you don't think someone in her situation could fairly be labeled anti-gay rights, when she's publicly against the single biggest gay rights issue in contemporary American society? I'm not judging her stance in any way...

tell me this: if she came out at the pageant and said gays should be allowed to get married, and then shortly after there was talk of her participating in a national TV campaign promoting gay marriage, you think you might consider her PRO-gay rights? You would. You know you would. So would I. So would anyone with a brain. Thusly, she's anti-gay rights, since just the opposite happened. It's not a judgment. We're all pro and anti a lot of things. I could care less what she thinks.

again... not a big deal. don't really care... don't think she's a bad person, and I supported her ability to say whatever she wanted to say... and perez hilton seems like a douche.... but come on... arguing for the sake of arguing and defining my politics over THIS is pretty lame... I have no idea what you're accusing me of here, and I'm going to have to assume you replied to the wrong person, since your response to me makes ZERO sense based on what I said...

Edited May 18, 2009 by CaribbeanGreen

CaribbeanGreen · May 18, 2009

Fixed that for you.
Rick

We're just talking about a beauty pageant here... not the whole gay marriage issue. Not touching that can of worms. But do you not think gay marriage is a controversial, hot button issue in today's society?

eulesseagle · May 18, 2009

This article should have been RED LIBERAL MORAL RELATIVISM ATTACKS CHRISTIANITY (again). This is basically what this (green) beer guzzling dis(cuss)ion is all about.

There are those who support gay marriage (Moral Relativism: MR) and those who do not (Christian Values: CV).

There are those who say that the Conservatives including the Christian Right exhibit extremist views. To this I say: The Bible has never changed in over 2000 years. Therefore, it must be man who has changed and moved further away.

A nation that was founded on Christian values 233 years ago has now accepted:

1. All forms of homosexuality as being normal and a protected class of individuals....punishing those who object (MR).

2. Now, in front of the U.S. Congress a "Pedophile" protection act as a protected class of individuals....to punish those who object (MR).

3. All other races, genders & morally divergent views as protected....punish those who object (MR).

4. Verbal hate crimes (MR).

5. Federal judges to over rule the majority vote of the people.

IF

All things "ARE" equal under the law and justice is blind why do we need certain classes of individuals having "MORE" rights than someone else? That is one of the objective of moral relativists isn't it? The other objective is to persecute & prosecute those who do not believe and hold the same values as you do. One only has to see another example of the Red Liberal Left's Moral Relativism toward C.V.'s of Gov. Palin or the Boy Scouts of America.

On this board one does not have to delve deep into who holds the bedrock foundations of our founding fathers and those who hold the red liberal values of relativism.

FirefightnRick · May 18, 2009

tell me this: if she came out at the pageant and said gays should be allowed to get married, and then shortly after there was talk of her participating in a national TV campaign promoting gay marriage, you think you might consider her PRO-gay rights?

In a round about way that's kind of what she did say when she said "I think it's great that we live in a country in which people can choose how they want to live and that the states have that choice", or something like that. I don't have the exact qoute in front of me. And as for your other question, yes. It's a hot topic, I agree.

Rick

SUMG · May 18, 2009

From the "Things I'll Never Understand" Dept. (it's a pretty big dept. btw).......

If you're a beautiful lesbian (Cynthia Nixon from Sex and The City).....why would you marry another lesbian who does her darndest to look like a guy? That I don't get. If you're attracted to a woman who looks like a guy.....are you sure you're not interested in guys?

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/cynthia-nixon-an...-rally/22653?nc

meangreendork · May 18, 2009

SUMG - hah. I guess she's not shallow.

CaribbeanGreen · May 18, 2009

In a round about way that's kind of what she did say when she said "I think it's great that we live in a country in which people can choose how they want to live and that the states have that choice", or something like that. I don't have the exact qoute in front of me. And as for your other question, yes. It's a hot topic, I agree.
Rick

Okay, then we agree. I think everyone immediately involved will come out fine (better) from this. The hot topics always bring out the passionate (partisan) rhetoric and whatnot. Such is life.

CaribbeanGreen · May 18, 2009

From the "Things I'll Never Understand" Dept. (it's a pretty big dept. btw).......
If you're a beautiful lesbian (Cynthia Nixon from Sex and The City).....why would you marry another lesbian who does her darndest to look like a guy? That I don't get. If you're attracted to a woman who looks like a guy.....are you sure you're not interested in guys?
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/cynthia-nixon-an...-rally/22653?nc

Totally gagree. Fascinating.

In related news, is Porta DeRossi the biggest lesbian score of all time?

eeally · May 18, 2009

Marriage should be between a man and a woman!!!! Period!!!! Unless there are 2 people who love each other and then , they should have the same rights afforded to everybody else.

It really sucks that the only group who has style, responsibility, tolerance, and can revitalize a neighborhood so fast it will make your head-spin, are treated like second class citizens.

Mean Green 93-98 · May 18, 2009

Marriage should be between a man and a woman!!!! Period!!!! Unless there are 2 people who love each other and then , they should have the same rights afforded to everybody else.
It really sucks that the only group who has style, responsibility, tolerance, and can revitalize a neighborhood so fast it will make your head-spin, are treated like second class citizens.

You think this group has tolerance? Are you unfamiliar with what that homosexual judge said about Miss California because her views differed slightly from his?

And every homosexual has the same rights as heterosexuals. You are saying that special rights should be granted when two men sexually "love" each other.

UNTFan23 · May 19, 2009

You think this group has tolerance? Are you unfamiliar with what that homosexual judge said about Miss California because her views differed slightly from his?

I'd say that neither side is tolerant based on how they act towards each other.

And every homosexual has the same rights as heterosexuals. You are saying that special rights should be granted when two men sexually "love" each other.

So, who grants the right to marry someone?

UNT90 · May 19, 2009

Marriage should be between a man and a woman!!!! Period!!!! Unless there are 2 people who love each other and then , they should have the same rights afforded to everybody else.
It really sucks that the only group who has style, responsibility, tolerance, and can revitalize a neighborhood so fast it will make your head-spin, are treated like second class citizens.

So, if I love my goat, can I marry her? What about my brother, Larry? No, wait, what about my other goat, Bob? What about my blow up doll?

I mean, really, if I love them, it's my right, correct?

All this argument because of a stupid Austin cop.

Mean Green 93-98 · May 19, 2009

So, who grants the right to marry someone?

God.

eulessismore · May 19, 2009

You're missing the point... she is calling the liberal attack groups Taliban-like, intolerant of the views and beliefs of others.
Over the top, yes. But she is not calling the Taliban "liberal"

I think you've brought up two interesting points that I've wondered for a while if anyone would pick up on.

One is that we Liberal Democrats are not always that liberal when it comes to tolerating the views and beliefs of others (not that I think Conservative Republicans are either).

Another is that many Americans who call themselves Conservatives would prefer that those from certain other cultures were more liberal.

Personally, I think both conservative and liberal are good words and have friends and family of both persuasions. Really though, few of them stay in either category on all issues.

UNTFan23 · May 19, 2009

God.

:clapping: Goodie goodie goodie! I'm so glad you answered my question the way I knew you would. :flowers:

So ... can an Agnostic, or even better, an Atheist man and woman get married if it is God that grants the right to get married?

But before you answer, I'll answer for you:

Remember, the that last phrase anyone, pastor or judge, issues before a couple is wed is the following proclamation:

“By the power vested in me by the state (or commonwealth) of [insert state name here], I now pronounce you husband and wife.” So, therefore it is the state that is granting the right of marriage, not God.

Edited May 19, 2009 by UNTFan23

CMJ · May 19, 2009

So, if I love my goat, can I marry her? What about my brother, Larry? No, wait, what about my other goat, Bob? What about my blow up doll?
I mean, really, if I love them, it's my right, correct?
All this argument because of a stupid Austin cop.

Well....since marriage is a 2 party thing, you can't be sure that your goat or blow up doll approve of the marriage. I mean they might not love you the same way afterall and they can't voice their feelings.

oldguystudent · May 19, 2009

I bet Adam and Steve would throw an amazing reception. No rubbery hotel chicken breast and rice from those two!

As for the goat, I'd tend to think that's a bad idea. You'd be out working all day, trying to make a living, and she'd just sit at home watching Oprah and getting fat on garbage and furniture. It's doomed to fail!

CaribbeanGreen · May 19, 2009

I think you've brought up two interesting points that I've wondered for a while if anyone would pick up on.
One is that we Liberal Democrats are not always that liberal when it comes to tolerating the views and beliefs of others (not that I think Conservative Republicans are either).
Another is that many Americans who call themselves Conservatives would prefer that those from certain other cultures were more liberal.
Personally, I think both conservative and liberal are good words and have friends and family of both persuasions. Really though, few of them stay in either category on all issues.

Great points, euless. To follow lockstep with one ideology or definition is beyond me. Odds are, you can't possibly believe one side of the ideological aisle is right on every issue and that the other side is either devoid of intelligence or full of evil. I know I resemble that remark... I probably skew left on more issues overall, but I know I've voted R more than D overall (by a fairly high margin) due to differences in issues I weighted more heavily at the time. It's kind of liberating, not knowing who or what you're voting for until you research the individual records of specific candidates against the unique climate.

Oh, and Portia DeRossi = still hottest lesbian.

CaribbeanGreen · May 19, 2009

Well....since marriage is a 2 party thing, you can't be sure that your goat or blow up doll approve of the marriage. I mean they might not love you the same way afterall and they can't voice their feelings.

you've never met my goat. smokin', and totally independent.

CMJ · May 19, 2009

you've never met my goat. smokin', and totally independent.

:lol:

Be that as it may, unless your goat speaks English we can't be sure she actually approves of the relationship.

oldguystudent · May 19, 2009

Be that as it may, unless your goat speaks English we can't be sure she actually approves of the relationship.

What a cultural hegemonist you are! Is it beneath you to study and communicate in goatlish?

CMJ · May 19, 2009

What a cultural hegemonist you are! Is it beneath you to study and communicate in goatlish?

Well, they ARE in our country you know. They should learn the language of commerce!

(I see what you're doing, and I like it)

EagleD · May 19, 2009

God.

NO. NO. NO.

The government does. There is no relationship between marriage and religion. If there was, you'd go to a minister to get a divorce. You don't go to a preacher for a marriage license. You go to the county clerk.

We've had this thread before.

oldguystudent · May 19, 2009

Just to prove a point, when I was getting documentation for my marriage license in Korea, I had to go to the US Consulate to get a Consul signature on a declaration of marriage. He stamped it with this red ink thing called a do-jang (signatures are worthless on Korean legal documents. do-jangs take their place) and explained to me that the wife and I would be officially married when his Korean counterpart put his Korean do-jang on the document. This was to take place over a month before the wedding. I asked what good the ceremony was and he said, "The ceremony just keeps your family members happy. God himself could come down and perform the ceremony but you wouldn't be married because God doesn't have a do-jang."

On the plus side, I got a bonus 6 weeks of not living in sin!