Would You Be Happy With ..

NT03 · May 13, 2009

After the last 4 years of total crap I think I would be happy with 4 wins , but looking at the big picture this is the staff's 3rd year and 4 wins just seems like we are setting the bar way too low for a team in the Belt.

Edited May 13, 2009 by NT03

NT80 · May 13, 2009

After the last 4 years of total crap I think I would be happy with 4 wins , but looking at the big picture this is the staff's 3rd year and 4 wins just seems like we are setting the bar way too low for a team in the Belt.

Agree, yes and no. If I knew 4 wins would lead to 7 wins, then 9 wins I'd say yes that was acceptable. But after seeing 2 wins followed by 1 win nothing is for sure. Also, 4 wins playing in the Big 12 is different than 4 wins playing in the SBC. 4 wins for most all programs is unacceptable, why should we be different?

The Fake Lonnie Finch · May 13, 2009

I'd be happy if the four wins were in the Sun Belt. Another losing record in the Sun Belt shows we aren't improving even within our own little peer group.

UNT90 · May 13, 2009

Easiest non-conferenc schedule in years and this is the bar we set for this program? For those who said yes, how would have you felt immediately after the Dodge hire if someone had asked you if 2 wins, followed by 1 win, followed by 4 wins would make you happy?

Kills me that people are willing to lower standards so easily with this program. Anything less than 6 wins this year is unacceptable in my opinion. I do thnk this will be an unacceptable season.

Got5onIt · May 13, 2009

This poll should be more specific instead of dancing around the real question. It should read, "Should Todd Dodge be fired if the team has only 4 wins?" .

Edited May 13, 2009 by Got5onIt

LongJim · May 13, 2009

I'd be happy if the four wins were in the Sun Belt. Another losing record in the Sun Belt shows we aren't improving even within our own little peer group.

I agree 100%.

NT03 · May 13, 2009

This poll should be more specific instead of dancing around the real question. It should read, "Should Todd Dodge be fired if the team has only 4 wins?" .

POLL

If we g0 1- 11 again next year the win better be vs Bama

1 want 1 OOC win ( Army most likely, Ohio game should be competitive) = 1 win

No excuse to lose to WKU = 1 win

Troy,MTSU, FAU & FIU are all better than we are. We would be lucky to pull a win out with any of those teams = 0-4

So best bet is to take 2 out of 3 w/ Ark St/ULL/ULM = 2-1

= 4 Wins and even that's a stretch. Only way I'm happy with the 4 wins is if all losses are close,winnable games.

Edited May 13, 2009 by NT03

untbowler · May 13, 2009

4 wins will not be acceptable. Tired of the low standards set for UNT versus other schools. Anything less than 5 wins and competitive losses is bad.

KRAM1 · May 13, 2009

4 wins, sure! And, with 4 wins Dodge gets a clear shot at another year. I think he gets another year...wait for it....no matter the win number, IF, decent improvement is seen on the field. Meaning what? Well, a win or two or so and UNT is "in the game" at the end. OK, maybe I am being optimistic here, but since I am never too optimistic (right?) I wanted to go ahead and let the sun shine!

Can't wait for football season to get here. It is really going to be fun to see the improvement this season...it will be great to be at Fouts for the season...GO MEAN GREEN!

meangreenbob · May 13, 2009

Four wins won't cut it.

Six is the minimum number needed to show the program is now on solid ground. Furthermore, the losses should all be close games with the outcomes not being determined until the fourth quarter.

I think that is a realistic goal. IMHO.

wardly · May 13, 2009

two things jump out at me regarding the td hire. 1st, everyone i talked to thought it was great. 2nd, no one knew how deep the ditch was or the length of td's learning curve. he inherited an academic mess, which we are not out of yet.in addition, the new stadium promised him still hasn't broken ground. i feel 3 to 5 wins is realistic, and that he will be given 4 years to either have a winning record in the belt, or 5 to 7 wins overall. after than, all bets are off.

UNTLifer · May 13, 2009

two things jump out at me regarding the td hire. 1st, everyone i talked to thought it was great. 2nd, no one knew how deep the ditch was or the length of td's learning curve. he inherited an academic mess, which we are not out of yet.in addition, the new stadium promised him still hasn't broken ground. i feel 3 to 5 wins is realistic, and that he will be given 4 years to either have a winning record in the belt, or 5 to 7 wins overall. after than, all bets are off.

True.

TIgreen01 · May 13, 2009

I said 'no'. Wins/losses don't really matter as much to me, at this point. Last year utterly destroyed my expectations for this team.

I want to see wins, but am more concerned with seeing a competitive team that doesn't quit in 10 out of 12 games. If we see a team with no more fight in it than we saw last year, then it's a clear sign that a change is needed. So...should we win 4 games, but get blown out in all of our other games and quit by the second quarter of ANY game---then I'm not satisfied.

eulessismore · May 13, 2009

two things jump out at me regarding the td hire. 1st, everyone i talked to thought it was great. 2nd, no one knew how deep the ditch was or the length of td's learning curve. he inherited an academic mess, which we are not out of yet.in addition, the new stadium promised him still hasn't broken ground. i feel 3 to 5 wins is realistic, and that he will be given 4 years to either have a winning record in the belt, or 5 to 7 wins overall. after than, all bets are off.

Four years of his original contract or a four year extension after winning 3-5 games next year?

foutsrouts · May 13, 2009

No way I'd be "happy" with 4 wins, but after the last four seasons I'll take it.

SilverEagle · May 13, 2009

Four wins in the third year is not acceptable.

Our previous HS coach got fired after his second four win season in a row.

The coach before that (Corky Nelson) got fired after posting records of 8-4 (with wins over Tech and Rice), 5-6, and 6-5 (including a win over SMU), in his last three seasons.....with a 1-AA budget.

mad dog · May 13, 2009

Although it is a reasonable goal, I think you'd have to be a little crazy to say you're truly "happy" with four wins. Personally, I wouldn't be happy unless we posted a winning record. Four wins would just be "not quite as unhappy."

May 13, 2009

While I would not be happy with four wins, I can accept it. It would be the highest win total in five years and should represent a turnaround in the program.

The program had hit bottom when Dodge took over and with the racist charges, drug scandal, scholarship losses due to APR, and player losses, exacerbated by the need for coaching staff changes, four wins would almost be a breath of fresh air.

Call me a cockeyed optimist but I believe that this will be a four or five win season.

forevereagle · May 13, 2009

While I would not be happy with four wins, I can accept it. It would be the highest win total in five years and should represent a turnaround in the program.
The program had hit bottom when Dodge took over and with the racist charges, drug scandal, scholarship losses due to APR, and player losses, exacerbated by the need for coaching staff changes, four wins would almost be a breath of fresh air.
Call me a cockeyed optimist but I believe that this will be a four or five win season.

You're* a cockeyed optimist.

*Take note people, this is proper usage.

shaft · May 14, 2009

4 wins next year would still make the Dodge Era the worst in school history.

Mean Green 93-98 · May 14, 2009

4 wins next year would still make the Dodge Era the worst in school history.

5 wins ties Dickey's first 3 years.

mrsgreengoblin · May 15, 2009

While I would not be happy with four wins, I can accept it. It would be the highest win total in five years and should represent a turnaround in the program.

I agree with you. It would represent some kind of turnaround. It would be a 300% improvement from last year but still would not make most of the Mean Green faithful "happy", including me.

Smitty · May 15, 2009

Although it is a reasonable goal, I think you'd have to be a little crazy to say you're truly "happy" with four wins. Personally, I wouldn't be happy unless we posted a winning record. Four wins would just be "not quite as unhappy."

Agreed.

Satisfaction with this season will come not only in wins but also in how competitive we are and how much progress is made. Win four but get utterly crushed in most of the losses would not be remotely satisfactory. Win four and be competitive in every game and show improvement throughout the season would be a lot closer to satisfactory.

I sincerely hope that we have very good reason to want Todd Dodge back next year. But the bar for this team to clear must be higher than simply no longer giving up 70 to Rice and trailing by three touchdowns at halftime week after week.

gangrene · May 15, 2009

Agreed.
Satisfaction with this season will come not only in wins but also in how competitive we are and how much progress is made. Win four but get utterly crushed in most of the losses would not be remotely satisfactory. Win four and be competitive in every game and show improvement throughout the season would be a lot closer to satisfactory.
I sincerely hope that we have very good reason to want Todd Dodge back next year. But the bar for this team to clear must be higher than simply no longer giving up 70 to Rice and trailing by three touchdowns at halftime week after week.

I agree with both you and illuvius. We HAVE to be competitive in all of our games except maybe Alabama to give me any hope that the current staff is even remotely capable of repairing and righting this canon ball-shredded, piece of crap ship we're all sailing on. The four wins must be accompanied by another sign of progress on the football field in order for me to be happy and look forward to bigger and better things in 2010. After last season, I'm forced to look upon this upcoming fall with a great deal of uncomfortable hesitation and uber-cautious expectations of not being embarrassed week in and week out, while sitting atop the ESPN bottom ten rankings for 12 consecutive weeks.

DallasGreen · May 17, 2009

I said 'no'. Wins/losses don't really matter as much to me, at this point. Last year utterly destroyed my expectations for this team.
I want to see wins, but am more concerned with seeing a competitive team that doesn't quit in 10 out of 12 games. If we see a team with no more fight in it than we saw last year, then it's a clear sign that a change is needed. So...should we win 4 games, but get blown out in all of our other games and quit by the second quarter of ANY game---then I'm not satisfied.

I could not agree more. This team has shown absolutely no heart. I look at teams of the past with much less talent that had the will to win. I can take losing, but what I can't take is quitting just as soon as the going gets rough. I have talked to others who feel the same. The puzzling thing is that Dodge says all the right things from a coaching standpoint to have a motivated team. It's obvious that the team is NOT buying in to what he is selling. Why is the big question that must be answered.