Lack Of Civility, History Can Be Deadly Combination

[SilverEagle]

http://www.bnd.com/285/story/753965.html

[eulesseagle]

how much longer can these sydicated writers, like this, beat a "dead horse?" he is doing nothing more, like some of his other articles, than stur up and keep a wedge of racism in our overt presence. It is too easy to look back and critize historical events as do most writers do today. However, it is much harder to write in the perspective of the time and look forward to what changes may occur in the future by those said actions.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

how much longer can these sydicated writers, like this, beat a "dead horse?" he is doing nothing more, like some of his other articles, than stur up and keep a wedge of racism in our overt presence. It is too easy to look back and critize historical events as do most writers do today. However, it is much harder to write in the perspective of the time and look forward to what changes may occur in the future by those said actions.

---I fully agree with you, it is time to move on.. the people involved in those events are dead, their children are dead, and almost none of their grandchildren even exist now. 140 years is enough time to recover from that unfortunate events. The truth is most people even in the South did not even own slaves. The founders of our Constitution were intelligent people but they weren't perfect people as some would like to portray them.. They allowed slavery to exist. They made mistakes and were human just as we are. We should not forget what happened but the less it is brought up, the better off people today's people will be. No one alive today had any part in those events. It is time to live in the present and move on.

--Your last sentence is a very good one.

[KRAM1]

What's a "good kid" who has "never been in trouble before" doing walking around town with a gun in his pocket?

[Censored by Laurie]

What's a "good kid" who has "never been in trouble before" doing walking around town with a gun in his pocket?

Second Amendment, dawg...it applies to black people too. Well, at least 2/3 of the time

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

--And Gov. Perry wants our College kids to have the "right" to carry guns on a college campus... I have known (and seen) too many hung over, drunk, and zonked out students for that to make sense.... plus just some are just Hotheads with no record to prevent them from having one either. Welcome to the Wild West. Unbelievable.

[Guest JohnDenver]

Second Amendment, dawg...it applies to black people too. Well, at least 2/3 of the time

Very funny.. same could be said about my country cousins who readily carry guns all over the place. Why are they carrying guns when they have never been in trouble?

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

Again (and again and again), people waving Confederate flags around may as well be waving Nazi flags or flags of the former Soviet Union. The United States, with its army, defeated both the Confederate uprising and the Nazis. The decision to outspend the the Soviets militarily helped implode the Soviet Union. All three lost to the United States. People who still insist on waving the flags of losers in America get what's coming to them.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Very funny.. same could be said about my country cousins who readily carry guns all over the place. Why are they carrying guns when they have never been in trouble?

---I am/was one of the "country cousin types". I have never known one of us to "carry" a gun for protection against another human. Most "have one handy" to use against snakes, or for hunting purposes or even to shoot "cans" just for fun. That isn't exactly "carrying" them. They are a needed "tool" if you are out in the country. You would agree too if you had ever picked a bale of hay or just looked down into the weeds and found a snake rattling his tail at you.

[FirefightnRick]

What's a kid in Sarasota Florida flying the Lone Star Flag of the State of Texas for? And why would anyone get shot for flying one considering it's on every flag pole in front of every school and public building in the state of Texas?

Oh, wrong Confederate flag.

Excuse me!

Rick

[SilverEagle]

Again (and again and again), people waving Confederate flags around may as well be waving Nazi flags or flags of the former Soviet Union. The United States, with its army, defeated both the Confederate uprising and the Nazis. The decision to outspend the the Soviets militarily helped implode the Soviet Union. All three lost to the United States. People who still insist on waving the flags of losers in America get what's coming to them.

Vanquished foes or not, this is part of American History...and an important one at that. Regardless of what "causes" you believe in, America went to war with itself because it was very polarized. Young people shooting and/or getting shot over a 140 year old symbol tells me that, as a society, we are still pretty polarized about it.

[Censored by Laurie]

What's a kid in Sarasota Florida flying the Lone Star Flag of the State of Texas for? And why would anyone get shot for flying one considering it's on every flag pole in front of every school and public building in the state of Texas?

Oh, wrong Confederate flag.

Excuse me!

Rick

Are you saying that the Texas state flag was borne out of the Confederacy?

The Lone Star was adopted between 1838 and 1839 by the Republic of Texas as it's national flag...and then kept as the state flag when Texas was admitted into the Union in 1845.

Texas didn't secede and join the Confederacy until Febuary 1861...23 years after the Lone Star flag was created.

[FirefightnRick]

Are you saying that the Texas state flag was borne out of the Confederacy?

No.

Rick

[Censored by Laurie]

No.

Rick

Then how is the Texas flag analogous to a Confederate flag...as I read from your post?

[FirefightnRick]

This is a Lone Star flag inscribed with the battle honors, "Seven Pines/Gaines Farm" in the blue canton, and "Elthams Landing/Malvern Hill" in the field. This very important flag was made by Lula Wigfall, daughter of the regiment's first colonel, Louis T. Wigfall, and was presented to the 1st Texas in the summer of 1861.

As the battle honors attest, the 1st Texas fought under this flag throughout the Peninsula Campaign. The Texans carried it through the Second Manassas fight in August 1862 and into Maryland during Lee's first invasion of the North. During the desperate Battle of Antietam, in Miller's cornfield on Lee's northern flank, the 1st Texas suffered 82.3 percent casualties -- the highest endured by any unit North or South during the entire war. In the course of the battle, nine brave Texas standard bearers fell carrying this flag. When the ninth was killed, the flag was lost -- picked up from among the dead bodies by a Pennsylvania private.

Several variations of the Current Lone Star flag was used by Texas regiments during the "War between the States", thus the "Lone Star Flag of Texas" was a confederate battle flag, just as so many others were. Other than the slightly tilted "Lone Star", which was used to signify that the flag of Texas was at war, they all remained common to the flag still used today.

Shocking, isn't it?

Rick

Edited May 5, 2009 by FirefightnRick

[Green Gas]

The past of the Confederate flag has little to do with today, media has made the Confederate flag battle flag an ugly thing by focusing on a few nut job skin heads. I forget the full history of the Stars and Bars but is much older then the civil war. In my generation the Confederate flag battle flag meant just being a rebel as in James Dean, but a little more of a south thing and I knew at the time a few black people that even had the Confederate flag battle flag on thier car.

There were more than 180 separate Confederate military battle flags by the way.

The confusion over the Stars and Bars is more of ignorace then reality.

The Mississoppi flag

[Guest JohnDenver]

---I am/was one of the "country cousin types". I have never known one of us to "carry" a gun for protection against another human. Most "have one handy" to use against snakes, or for hunting purposes or even to shoot "cans" just for fun. That isn't exactly "carrying" them. They are a needed "tool" if you are out in the country. You would agree too if you had ever picked a bale of hay or just looked down into the weeds and found a snake rattling his tail at you.

All depends on how you classify a rattlesnake Some rattle snakes come in the form that want to take your wallet, car, or kicking in your front door.

I know they are a "tool", but mostly my country cousins use guns to shoot lights, signs, prairie dogs and occasionally each other.

I know country pretty well. Grew up fearing the rattle snake while playing in rusted out cars in fields. That is pretty country IMHO.

[Censored by Laurie]

The past of the Confederate flag has little to do with today, media has made the Confederate flag battle flag an ugly thing by focusing on a few nut job skin heads. I forget the full history of the Stars and Bars but is much older then the civil war. In my generation the Confederate flag battle flag meant just being a rebel as in James Dean, but a little more of a south thing and I knew at the time a few black people that even had the Confederate flag battle flag on thier car.

There were more than 180 separate Confederate military battle flags by the way.

The confusion over the Stars and Bars is more of ignorace then reality.

The Mississoppi flag

You can tour many churches, mostly in Europe, but maybe a few stateside and marvel at their wood or iron worked swastikas.

[KRAM1]

You can tour many churches, mostly in Europe, but maybe a few stateside and marvel at their wood or iron worked swastikas.

Are you sure about that? Photos perhaps? There is a symbol in native American Indian culture that looks very much like a swastika, but is not. I am told it is actually drawn "backwards" from the swastika folks are much more aware of these days. Too bad for that. I do not know this to be a fact, as was 'told" this by an amateur historian. So, if anyone knows for certain, it might make for some good facts here. Perhaps the symbol has significance for various other cultures around the globe. Anyone know? I just know it, or a similar version, was around long before it was corrupted by the Nazi party.

CBL, was this the swastika you were referring to in your post as opposed to the Nazi version?

[Censored by Laurie]

Swastikas have been used in some form or capacity since well before the time of Christ...and nearly all cultures and religion have incorporated them into their art, architecture and design is some way. I have some recolection of seeing a 13 or 14th century tapestry of Jesus with his heart depicted as a swastika...but I can't seem to find it online anywhere.

The point is that no matter what the original meaning of the symbol...its current stigma elicits such reaction that its probably best not to proudly display it, unless you believe, of course, in a master race. The stars and bars elicits a similar reaction.

[Green Guy Bass]

What's a "good kid" who has "never been in trouble before" doing walking around town with a gun in his pocket?

Why is it so easy to get a gun in this country??

[Rudy]

You know, if this country learned the true heritage of the Confederate Flag and the "Civil War", they would blow their minds. Too bad political correctness and some racist dumbasses cloud the true meaning.

[UNTflyer]

Why is it so easy to get a gun in this country??

It's that pesky 2nd Amendment.

[Green Guy Bass]

It's that pesky 2nd Amendment.

Maybe we should look into that....just sayin'

[eulesseagle]

Interesting questions to ask the pc crowd on the CW.

1. If the US govt was debating which states were to be free and slave up to the first shots of the war then what was the initial cause?

2. Why did the US govt impose such a draconian tax on the southern states prior to the war?

3. Why did Lincoln "only" free the slaves in the south?

4. Why did Grant free his slaves prior to him taking the oath of office?

5. Why did more southern african americans fight for the south than the north? (you can find this in the federal records in wdc concerning how the south "mustered in" slaves and black free men.)

6. Why did southern states, on two occasions prior to the war, refuse federal troops to march through their states to South Carolina?

7. Whoa......Jeff Davis adopted two black slave children.

8. Why did not the north hold sedition trials on southern leaders in spite of Jeff Davis in spite of his request to do so?

9. Why did Grant say, after the war, (and i paraphrase) if i knew why we were fighting the war i would have surrendered my sword to Lincoln and fought with the south.

do i, today, believe in slavery? no.

it is easy for simpletons to place blame, in retrospect, of past happenings as so much the case in political correctness and the rewriting of history by the victors over the vanquished but to be absolutely "fair" the only solution is to go back, to the records, and study what these individuals wanted to do and what their perspectives where at that time and at that time looking forward. not visa versa.