Global Warming Alarmists Out In Cold

[KingDL1]

I love how these Global warming crack pots look at all the reports from NOAA reports, NASA reports, Britain's Hadley Centre and more that show that the earth has maintained and lower temperature since 1998 (thats about 11 years folks), the ice sheet around Antarctica has grown 100,000 sq km each decade for the past 30-40 years. OH wait many are getting paid to prove Global warming that can not be a conflict can it.

And Gore has already said it is OK to stretch the truth to make a point, or most likely fit an agenda for profit.

I like this article because it is outside the US

IT'S snowing in April. Ice is spreading in Antarctica. The Great Barrier Reef is as healthy as ever.

Edited April 30, 2009 by KingDL1

[UNTflyer]

C'mon, King... proof doesn't matter. The important thing is that they care. They are trying to do something good. What harm can it do? I mean , besides spending $37 trillion on a fantasy and keeping the third world in poverty and darkness... what harm can it do?

[FirefightnRick]

This happened last friday when the Goreacle testilied to congress about his scam.

'House Democrats don't want Gore humiliated'

Rick

[UNTLifer]

This happened last friday when the Goreacle testilied to congress about his scam.

'House Democrats don't want Gore humiliated'

Rick

More reason to cast a wary eye towardst his administration. I'm convinced the current Democrats running this country are there to serve not the people of this country but the person they see in the mirror.

[SilverEagle]

I seem to recall either reading an article, or seeing a special on the Discovery channel, that our current weather situation (the last 250 years or so) has been unusually favorable in the weather/climate history of this planet. As a result, the population of our planet has shot up at a greater rate than any other time in human history. I'm no expert, but increasing numbers of people competing for shrinking (or even static) resources is a formula for disaster.

And since I'm mentioning disasters. I was looking at a historical account of the 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic. It seems that the largest population that died from this flu were people in the 20 to 40 year old age range. Sound familiar? This spread around the world and killed a minimum of 20 million people in two years. And this was during a time when the primary mode of mass transportation was steam ships and trains.

Some people seem to think that officials are over-reacting...but I'm not too sure.

Here are some descriptions of how people died from this strain.

"The effect of the influenza epidemic was so severe that the average life span in the US was depressed by 10 years. The influenza virus had a profound virulence, with a mortality rate at 2.5% compared to the previous influenza epidemics, which were less than 0.1%. The death rate for 15 to 34-year-olds of influenza and pneumonia were 20 times higher in 1918 than in previous years (Taubenberger). People were struck with illness on the street and died rapid deaths. One anectode shared of 1918 was of four women playing bridge together late into the night. Overnight, three of the women died from influenza (Hoagg). Others told stories of people on their way to work suddenly developing the flu and dying within hours (Henig). One physician writes that patients with seemingly ordinary influenza would rapidly "develop the most viscous type of pneumonia that has ever been seen" and later when cyanosis appeared in the patients, "it is simply a struggle for air until they suffocate," (Grist, 1979). Another physician recalls that the influenza patients "died struggling to clear their airways of a blood-tinged froth that sometimes gushed from their nose and mouth," (Starr, 1976). The physicians of the time were helpless against this powerful agent of influenza. In 1918 children would skip rope to the rhyme (Crawford):"

Damn! some of this sounded more like ebola than the flu.

Edited April 30, 2009 by SilverEagle

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

---OK--What is your explanation for the decreasng size of the polar icecaps (open water where ice has always been before now), mountains that have always had snow on them year round being bare now, and glaciers that are exposing land that has never been seen before? I am not absolutely convinced man is responsible for this but what is your explanation for this occuring???? This is happening and old yearly photographs confirm it....

--I am sure about the flu subject... but I think the Texas UIL is at present over-reacting to it. I see major league baseball, the Kentucky Derby, and Nascar races are still happening. Having said that my grandmother died with the 1918 flu and left four small kids (she was age 34) . It is believed about 20% of Americans died with it. One of my grandfathers also lost both of his brothers to it as well. It is likely soldiers returning from the trench warfare of WWI spread it across America rapidly.

Edited April 30, 2009 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[CMJ]

Yeah Silver, there was a great documentary on the 1918 Spennish Flu on PBS a few years ago. Scary stuff for sure. Basically what they think happened was the virus caused an overreaction of the immune system, so the disease itself didn't kill you per se, it was the body's response to it. Usually your white blood cells and antibodies, and whatnot have mechanisms that tell is to "slow down" or "that's enough" when fighting an infection, but sometimes those mechanisms go haywire and all those protector cells can start attacking the rest of your body.

They think that's what happened in the 1918 pandemic.

[GBarksdale]

I don't know why people continue to believe doomsdayers. Their track record over the past 30 years has been pretty abysmal: a global ice age; AIDS will kill 90 million people in the U.S. alone (that particular prediction had a dampening effect on college life in the 80s ); global starvation by the end of the 20th century. Now this flu...

Pretty predictable. From the LA Times...

Scientists see this flu strain as relatively mild

Genetic data indicate this outbreak won't be as deadly as that of 1918, or even the average winter.

As the World Health Organization raised its infectious disease alert level Wednesday and health officials confirmed the first death linked to swine flu inside U.S. borders, scientists studying the virus are coming to the consensus that this hybrid strain of influenza -- at least in its current form -- isn't shaping up to be as fatal as the strains that caused some previous pandemics.

In fact, the current outbreak of the H1N1 virus, which emerged in San Diego and southern Mexico late last month, may not even do as much damage as the run-of-the-mill flu outbreaks that occur each winter without much fanfare.

My guess is that these scientists will soon be labeled "flu deniers."

Edited April 30, 2009 by GBarksdale

[Baby Arm!]

---OK--What is your explanation for the decreasng size of the polar icecaps (open water where ice has always been before now), mountains that have always had snow on them year round being bare now, and glaciers that are exposing land that has never been seen before? I am not absolutely convinced man is responsible for this but what is your explanation for this occuring???? This is happening and old yearly photographs confirm it....

Guess you skipped this part of the article:

"MYTH 2

THE POLAR CAPS ARE MELTING

Wrong. The British Antarctic Survey, working with NASA, last week confirmed ice around Antarctica has grown 100,000 sq km each decade for the past 30 years.

Long-term monitoring by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reports the same: southern hemisphere ice has been expanding for decades.

As for the Arctic, wrong again.

The Arctic ice cap shrank badly two summers ago after years of steady decline, but has since largely recovered. Satellite data from NASA's Marshall Space Flight Centre this week shows the Arctic hasn't had this much April ice for at least seven years.

Norway's Nansen Environmental and Remote Sensing Centre says the ice is now within the standard deviation range for 1979 to 2007. "

[LongJim]

Pretty predictable. From the LA Times...

My guess is that these scientists will soon be labeled "flu deniers."

Heh! I didn't see your post, GB. Thanks for the tip on this, though. It's a bit of an overreaction, for sure. Kind of like SARS...and Legionnaire's...and Avian Flu...and...

[keith]

---OK--What is your explanation for the decreasng size of the polar icecaps (open water where ice has always been before now), mountains that have always had snow on them year round being bare now, and glaciers that are exposing land that has never been seen before? I am not absolutely convinced man is responsible for this but what is your explanation for this occuring???? This is happening and old yearly photographs confirm it....

If that is happening it is because the earth is in a constant state of change. It always has been and it always will be until our fairly average star expands into a red giant in a few billion years and fries mother earth to a crisp. Oh shutter. This idea that we have to keep the earth static in its current state forever is pure insanity. This whole climate change hoax is one of the biggest scams ever. It is all about money. If the hoax is not perpetuated ad infinitum then what would happen to all that free money handed out by the federal government? Now that the climate change industry is "too big to fail," this crisis is guaranteed to be with us forever.

Keith

[FirefightnRick]

From Liberty and Tyranny:

Dr. John Brignell, a retired professor of industrial instrumentation at the University of Southampton in Britain, compiled a list of alarmist claims in news reports that man-made global warming has caused or will cause.

Agricultural land increase, Africa devastated, African aid threatened, air pressure changes, Alaska reshaped, allergies increase, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), ancient forests dramatically changed, Antarctic grass flourishes, anxiety, algal blooms, Arctic bogs melt, Asthma, atmospheric defiance, atmospheric circulation modified, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, bananas destroyed, bananas grow, bet for $10,000, better beer, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billions of deaths, bird distributions change, birds return early, blackbirds stop singing, blizzards, blue mussels return, boredom, Britain Siberian, British gardens change, bubonic plague, budget increases, building season extension, bushfires, business opportunities, business risks, butterflies move north.

Cardiac arrest, caterpillar biomass shift, challenges and opportunities, Cholera, civil unrest, cloud increase, cloud stripping, cod go south, cold climate creatures survive, cold spells (Australia), computer models, conferences, coral bleaching, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink , cold spells, cost of trillions, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cyclones (Australia), damages equivalent to $200 billion, Dengue hemorrhagic fever, dermatitis, desert advance, desert life threatened, desert retreat, destruction of the environment, diarrhoea, disappearance of coastal cities, diseases move north, Dolomites collapse, drought, drowning people, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt.

Early spring, earlier pollen season, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spinning out of control, Earth to explode, earth upside down, Earth wobbling, earthquakes, El NiZo intensification, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, Europe simultaneously baking and freezing, evolution accelerating, expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (human, civilisation, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, ladybirds, bats, pandas, pikas, polar bears, pigmy possums, gorillas, koalas, walrus, whales, frogs, toads, turtles, orang-utan, elephants, tigers, plants, salmon, trout, wild flowers, woodlice, penguins, a million species, half of all animal and plant species, less, not polar bears), experts muzzled, extreme changes to California.

Famine, farmers go under, figurehead sacked, fish catches drop, fish catches rise, fish stocks decline, five million illnesses, floods, Florida economic decline, food poisoning, food prices rise, food security threat (SA), footpath erosion, forest decline, forest expansion, frosts, fungi invasion, Garden of Eden wilts, genetic diversity decline, gene pools slashed, glacial retreat, glacial growth, glacier wrapped, global cooling, global dimming, glowing clouds, Gore omnipresence, grandstanding, grasslands wetter, Great Barrier Reef 95% dead, Great Lakes drop, greening of the North, Gulf Stream failure, habitat loss, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, harvest increase, harvest shrinkage, hay fever epidemic, hazardous waste sites breached, heat waves, hibernation ends too soon, hibernation ends too late, high court debates, human fertility reduced, human health improvement, human health risk, hurricanes, hydropower problems, hyperthermia deaths.

Ice sheet growth, ice sheet shrinkage, inclement weather, infrastructure failure (Canada), Inuit displacement, Inuit poisoned, Inuit suing, industry threatened, infectious diseases, insurance premium rises, invasion of midges, island disappears, islands sinking, itchier poison ivy, jellyfish explosion, Kew Gardens taxed, krill decline, lake and stream productivity decline, landslides, landslides of ice at 140 mph, lawsuits increase, lawsuit successful, lawyers’ income increased (surprise, surprise!), lightning related insurance claims, little response in the atmosphere, Lyme disease.

Malaria, malnutrition, Maple syrup shortage, marine diseases, marine food chain decimated, marine dead zone, Meaching (end of the world), megacryometeors, Melanoma, methane emissions from plants, methane burps, melting permafrost, Middle Kingdom convulses, migration, migration difficult (birds), microbes to decompose soil carbon more rapidly, more bad air days, more research needed, mountain (Everest) shrinking, mountains break up, mountains taller, mudslides, next ice age, Nile delta damaged, no effect in India, nuclear plants bloom, oaks move north, ocean acidification, outdoor hockey threatened, oyster diseases, ozone loss, ozone repair slowed, ozone rise.

Pacific dead zone, personal carbon rationing, pest outbreaks, pests increase, phenology shifts, plankton blooms, plankton destabilised, plankton loss, plant viruses, plants march north, polar bears aggressive, polar bears cannibalistic, polar bears drowning, polar bears starve, polar tours scrapped, psychosocial disturbances, railroad tracks deformed, rainfall increase, rainfall reduction, refugees, reindeer larger, release of ancient frozen viruses, resorts disappear, rice yields crash, rift on Capitol Hill, rioting and nuclear war, rivers raised, rivers dry up, rockfalls, rocky peaks crack apart, roof of the world a desert, Ross river disease.

Salinity reduction, salinity increase, Salmonella, salmon stronger, sea level rise, sea level rise faster, sex change, sharks booming, shrinking ponds, ski resorts threatened, slow death, smog, snowfall increase, snowfall reduction, societal collapse, songbirds change eating habits, sour grapes, spiders invade Scotland, squid population explosion, squirrels reproduce earlier, spectacular orchids, stormwater drains stressed.

Taxes, tectonic plate movement, terrorism, ticks move northward (Sweden), tides rise, tourism increase, trade winds weakened, tree beetle attacks, tree foliage increase (UK), tree growth slowed, trees could return to Antarctic, trees less colourful, trees more colourful, tropics expansion, tropopause raised, tsunamis, turtles lay earlier, UK Katrina, Venice flooded, volcanic eruptions.

Walrus pups orphaned, war, wars over water, water bills double, water supply unreliability, water scarcity (20% of increase), water stress, weather out of its mind, weather patterns awry, weeds, Western aid cancelled out, West Nile fever, whales move north, wheat yields crushed in Australia, white Christmas dream ends, wildfires, wind shift, wind reduced, wine - harm to Australian industry, wine industry damage (California), wine industry disaster (US), wine - more English, wine -German boon, wine - no more French , winters in Britain colder, wolves eat more moose, wolves eat less, workers laid off, World bankruptcy, World in crisis, Yellow fever.

Rick

[UNTLifer]

FFR,

That is disheartening. Not one reference to the destruction of Fouts Field. $100 says the first wrecking ball to take a whack at that edifice either shatters or bounces off.

Speaking of wrecking ball. They should auction off swings at Fouts with that thing. Let the operator instruct the winners on how to work the ball and let'em at it.

[Green Gas]

---OK--What is your explanation for the decreasng size of the polar icecaps (open water where ice has always been before now), mountains that have always had snow on them year round being bare now, and glaciers that are exposing land that has never been seen before? I am not absolutely convinced man is responsible for this but what is your explanation for this occuring???? This is happening and old yearly photographs confirm it....

Did you read the article it specifically addresses the Ice Caps, by the way every agency shows the south pole has been growing 100,000 square km per decade the last 4 decades which is supposed to be record growth.

As far as snow here and there, many of the Mountains in Europe did not develop glaciers until the late middle ages, that is when it was believed the earth dipped into a mini-ice age that we are just recovered from at the end of last century. This mini-ice age was a result of volcanic activity they say, or lack of sun activity. Supposedly there records showing the change extremely shortened growing seasons, famines, and formation of many new glaciers. Glaciers that Wiped out complete villages in Europe where no glacier was before.

Interesting Reading:

Mini-Ice Age

From Wikipedia

Swampy Expansion Spurred Mini Ice Age

For the Teacher in you.

And much more on the subject, Discovery Science did an hour long program on this Mini/little Ice age as well and how we just recently stopped feeling the effects of it.

Edited May 1, 2009 by Green Gas

[yyz28]

I'm farily confident we didn't have Tama-Flu in 1918. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

[meangreendork]

Global warming has been something of debate forever. Even I was never convinced by it because I know about cyclical changes in global climate. But that's not to say we don't need to change how we treat the planet though. I'd hate to see it trashed out and worthless to us.

As for Fouts...

[Green Gas]

Global warming has been something of debate forever. Even I was never convinced by it because I know about cyclical changes in global climate. But that's not to say we don't need to change how we treat the planet though. I'd hate to see it trashed out and worthless to us.

As for Fouts...

I am not for pollution either like mercury and heavy metals in water, but I have no problems with CO2 or methane emissions. I am against spending trillions of dollars on something that is not broke or increasing already insane regulation on our industry. Along the way I read an article breaking down contributions to the Human Global warming footprint, they had livestock, human respiratory/waste/sewage, pet, farming not including vehicles, industry other then fossil fuels, and a few other assorted contributors listed with the remaining left for fossil fuels used in vehicles at a grand total of 8% of greenhouse gases. 8% does not seem like much considering all the hub-bub. The poor livestock lead the way worldwide with the largest share of green house gases I guess we need to slaughter all those bad boys. But I figure these numbers change depending on what evil and what agenda we are talking about.

Such nonsense!

The next real disaster is these CFLs which are about the most horrible things there are for the planet pollution wise and health wise. And this is the cockeyed liberal fix! I want my incandescent lights! Then maybe OLED.

Though this algae fuel sound pretty interesting.

The Dark Side Of CFLs

CFL Dangers Part 2: Mercury Groundwater Contamination

I see on channel 33 how gullible people are, with their ads to save the world by just changing to a couple of CFL bulbs, they have no idea what they are talking about.

[KingDL1]

Yeah!

But did you see this?

Thune says EPA move brings 'cow tax' closer to reality

Anticipation of the EPA’s declaration led Thune and Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., to introduce legislation in March that would prevent a cow tax. To support his arguments, Thune has often cited numbers from the New York Farm Bureau, which claimed in December that the cost of methane-emission permitting for livestock would be $175 per dairy cow, $87.50 per head for beef cattle and $21.87 per hog.

And this

EPA Edict Stirs Debate About Rural Emissions

This declaration could set the stage for tighter regulations on vehicles, power plants, factories and — according to Sen. John Thune, (R-S.D.) and some farm organization leaders — cattle.

The EPA estimates that U.S. cattle emit about 5.5 million metric tons of methane per year into the atmosphere, accounting for 20 percent of U.S. methane emissions.

According to Thune, the EPA’s new declaration could set the government down a “slippery slope” toward a permit process for methane emissions of cattle and other livestock. The permit process, which is actually a cap-and-trade system, according to Thune, would amount to a “cow tax.”

Maybe we will get breathing taxes next.

[Buford_Julep]

The Herald Sun is a newspaper in Melbourne, Australia, that is published by The Herald and Weekly Times Ltd, a subsidiary of Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.

[Buford_Julep]

George Bush, February 7, 2007, on climate change:

georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2007/02/20070207-5.html

Edited May 2, 2009 by Buford_Julep

[Buford_Julep]

Sarah Palin September 11, 2008:

abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5778018&page=1

[oldguystudent]

Is it just me, or is it getting hot in here?

[KingDL1]

Bush was wrong as well, about that, immigration, compassionate conservatism and worth of public image.

Sarah Palin and Bush were both playing to popular opinion, screw them both. Even though I would take either Palin or Bush over Obama any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I never liked McCain much so I think I would take Obama over him just because McCain would have destroyed the Republican party, Obama will make the republicans much much stronger when they step in and clean his mess up in 3 1/2 years and reverse all his socialist BS.

But it is the liberals pushing the CFLs.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Did you read the article it specifically addresses the Ice Caps, by the way every agency shows the south pole has been growing 100,000 square km per decade the last 4 decades which is supposed to be record growth.

As far as snow here and there, many of the Mountains in Europe did not develop glaciers until the late middle ages, that is when it was believed the earth dipped into a mini-ice age that we are just recovered from at the end of last century. This mini-ice age was a result of volcanic activity they say, or lack of sun activity. Supposedly there records showing the change extremely shortened growing seasons, famines, and formation of many new glaciers. Glaciers that Wiped out complete villages in Europe where no glacier was before.

Interesting Reading:

Mini-Ice Age

From Wikipedia

Swampy Expansion Spurred Mini Ice Age

For the Teacher in you.

And much more on the subject, Discovery Science did an hour long program on this Mini/little Ice age as well and how we just recently stopped feeling the effects of it.

---I suppose you realize that you just agreed with what I stated. The world cooled off to a mini ice-age and now it is warming up some... I never stated that man is responsible and in fact I said had no idea if man was contributing anything to the situation....it may be completely normal variation. I also was no alarmist or predicting things would get worse. You agreed with me that glaciers have been shrinking...... and maybe back to prior levels. The frozen man found in the Italian or Austrian Alps (about 5000 yr old body) died there when little or no ice existed... it covered him and now he has become exposed again.

--I said if things are not warming up some, what is your explanation for the ice changes... you repeated that it is warming up to what it once was. ... which means...IT HAS WARMED UP SOME... and it doesn't mean it will become a big problem..... but that is the question... how much... and where will it stop.... and why. Don't get so upset if you hear something that you don't want to be is true and besides read what was actually said.

--There are extremist in both directions... saying it doesn't exist is one extreme and claiming the oceans will raise several feet and man is at fault is the other. The truth is somewhere in between.

________________________

Alaskian Govenor Palin quote in interview above:.

"I believe that man's activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming, climate change. Here in Alaska, the only arctic state in our Union, of course, we see the effects of climate change more so than any other area with ice pack melting.

This is not a GOP vs. Democrat issue. Even she said "can be contributing"... not "is contributing".... which either way it means she thinks some is occuring.

Edited May 4, 2009 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[FirefightnRick]

This is not a GOP vs. Democrat issue. Even she said "can be contributing"... not "is contributing".... which either way it means she thinks some is occuring.

Yup. And it's far and away from supporting the destructive outcome that surely will be the end result of "Cap and Trade" as an answer for it.

Rick