Obama In Mexico: Still Apologizing

FirefightnRick · April 17, 2009

http://www.redstate.com/brianfaughnan/2009...ll-apologizing/

Obama: Too often, the United States has not sought or maintained relations with its neighbors. We’ve allowed ourselves to be distracted by other priorities, without realizing that our progress is directly linked to progress in the whole American continent. My government is committed to the promise of a new day. We will renew and maintain more extensive relationships between United States and the hemisphere, for the sake of our common prosperity and our common security.

And make sure you click HERE and listen to Andrea Mitchell's interview of Mexican president Felipe Calderon where he blames the U.S. for the drug trafficking and violence problems in Mexico. Keep in mind as you listen to the end of the report, that your suppose to believe it's all the U.S.'s fault.

Rick

Edited April 17, 2009 by FirefightnRick

Rudy · April 17, 2009

It doesnt suprise me one bit. Mexico is the same country who cried out how "poorly" we treat illegals when in reality, they are 10 times worse than us, and you might even say the way they handle illegals criminal. Mexico wants to say that the drug problem is out fault, even though almost all of the drugs being produced are being done so in his country or south and using his country as a drug highway. He has to blame somone to deflect the incredible corruption not only in his own goverment, but in his law enforcement community. It is the same federal agency that are returning vehicles stolen from the US after they have used them for their own police fleet. They believe that our agencies arent bright enough to recognize they are all the same vehicles and have the exact same holes from the equipment.

Numbuts from Venzuela now wants to reopen ties with the US beacuse we now have someone in office who doesnt have the balls to stand up to him.

Obama is going to have most of this country believing that we are to blame for all of the problems and we should apologize. He wants to make us all "ashamed" to be Americans and have us believe it is all our fault and we should bow to the rest of the world. Then he can swoop in and "build us back up" and take the credit

Unfortunately, the minute this county becomes apologetic for things that we shouldnt be, it will open us up to being decimated by terrorism.

eulesseagle · April 17, 2009

Why should it surprise anyone that the Democrats appologize to everyone & anytime the opportunity exists?? What have we not appologized for in the United States and the world?? IMHO, the world should be kissing our butts more often.

BeanCounterGrad'03 · April 17, 2009

Gosh...yall are so right. The U.S. has never been wrong about anything.

Edited April 17, 2009 by BeanCounterGrad'03

eulesseagle · April 17, 2009

Gosh...yall are so right. The U.S. has never been wrong about anything.

bcg-

what is your long or short list of America's wrongs against the US or world since you made the statement?

scroll down to ZONATION:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/16/vide...-to-the-saudis/

Edited April 17, 2009 by eulesseagle

Censored by Laurie · April 17, 2009

I'll go with the short list:

- Genocide of 30 million Indians (feather, not dot)

- Slavery

- Jim Crow

- Asian internment

- Hiroshima and Nagasaki (Yes, I've seen the studies suggesting that "saved" lives...and plenty to the contrary)

- GITMO

- American Idol

- Philippines 1899-1903

- Invading a sovereign nation unprovoked

BeanCounterGrad'03 · April 17, 2009

bcg-
what is your long or short list of America's wrongs against the US or world since you made the statement?
scroll down to ZONATION:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/16/vide...-to-the-saudis/

Can't think of any of America's wrongs against the US (couldn't let that typo slide :lol: )

Just off the top of my head: in the 200+ years of U.S. history, here are a few things that I'm not particularly proud of:

Slavery (and the civil rights struggle afterwards)

The round up of Native Americans onto reservations

Japanese internment camps

The dropping of atomic bombs on hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians (I know this is controversial, but could we not have used them on military targets first?)

Providing weapons to the Taliban in order for them to fight the Soviets.

Disco music...thank God that fad died a quick death

When I get home after work, I'll think of a few more and post again.

Edited April 17, 2009 by BeanCounterGrad'03

KRAM1 · April 17, 2009

Yes, there have been some things in the past that America did not handle so well. But, tough to take the past and couch it in today's belief structure and make heads or tails out of it. I dare say there is not one major nation or civilization that this world has ever seen that would not have a few things to be "less than proud of" when reviewing its history. To keep apologizing over and over for this stuff is plain stupid. The President of the United States needs to lead, not bend over, bow, apologize and tele-prompt his way through his term.

I dare say that the framers of the US Constitution would not even recognize what the courts ond congress of this great nation of ours have done to the document they created. Yet, the courts and congress tell us what these founding fathers meant all the time. Do you really think they have any clue whatsoever about the influences, traditions, values, etc. existing at that the time the Constitution was written? I think the United States, with all its flaws and past injustices, is now and will continue to be the greatest nation on God's Green Earth.

I see absolutely nothing, NOTHING, to be gained from our President going all over the world apologizing for our actions. But, then, our current President seems to want to be liked and given rock star treatment more than he wants to lead. Tough to lead when the world sees your leadership as weak.

BeanCounterGrad'03 · April 17, 2009

I think the United States, with all its flaws and past injustices, is now and will continue to be the greatest nation on God's Green Earth.

100% agree

Coffee and TV · April 17, 2009

So Rick, you think if we didn't have such a drug problem in America that cartels would still be engaged in such a level of violence that they are currently?

Smoke Meth, Its Homegrown!

emmitt01 · April 17, 2009

Yes, there have been some things in the past that America did not handle so well.

Because, and only because, this came directly after someone pointed out the atrocities of slavery, the decimation of multiple Indian nations, and Japanese internment...I think I may have found a new signature.

Russian Peasant: "You just massacred hundreds of thousands of my countrymen."

Stalin: "I admit it, I did not handle that so well."

meangreendork · April 17, 2009

Mexico needs to shut it's trap. While the US is partly to blame for fueling the drug trade with money for whatever comes up the border, Mexico also has to accept responsibility for having the sort of officials that give in to corruption so fast. Now, I'm okay with Obama apologizing for the US role in the drug trade, because admit it, the US has a major role in it by purchasing drugs en masse. But Mexico plays a major role as well and it's not at all innocent in this.

Rudy · April 17, 2009

Gosh...yall are so right. The U.S. has never been wrong about anything.

You missed the point. No country has ever been completely right or never done anything wrong. This is in regards to the drug war, not slavery, Japanese internment, the natve americans, etc.

Oh and nice little blurb about the atomic bomb. Germany and Russia were building them as well and would have dropped them first had they developed him. Germany for sure would have used it as a tool to further their Nazi oppresion. The ONLY reason we dropped them is because a full scale invasion of Japan probably would have led to the death of most of the Japanese population becuase most of the citizens would have taken up arms, and thus causing a larger number of US deaths as well. Two strategically placed atomic bombs made Japan realize the only option was to surrender. The only reason we hear about "America being the only country to use 'nuclear' weapons" is becuase we finished ours first. Noone ever mentions that there were others developing them. In fact, many of the scientists that helped to develop it, were defectors from Russia.

meangreendork · April 17, 2009

You missed the point. No country has ever been completely right or never done anything wrong. This is in regards to the drug war, not slavery, Japanese internment, the natve americans, etc.
Oh and nice little blurb about the atomic bomb. Germany and Russia were building them as well and would have dropped them first had they developed him. Germany for sure would have used it as a tool to further their Nazi oppresion. The ONLY reason we dropped them is because a full scale invasion of Japan probably would have led to the death of most of the Japanese population becuase most of the citizens would have taken up arms, and thus causing a larger number of US deaths as well. Two strategically placed atomic bombs made Japan realize the only option was to surrender. The only reason we hear about "America being the only country to use 'nuclear' weapons" is becuase we finished ours first. Noone ever mentions that there were others developing them. In fact, many of the scientists that helped to develop it, were defectors from Russia.

He said the bomb thing was controversial, so it's a maybe/sorta thing. Lots of variables, lots of conjecture in it. Ultimately, I think the safer decision was made and I think history reflects that. Without the use of bombs by other countries, and with a US ground invasion, there would be far more US and Japanese deaths.

Rudy · April 17, 2009

I was actually talking about CBL's post in regards to the atomic bomb. IN regards to BCG's we had been bombing military targets. The atomic bomb was to show the Japanese gov't the futility of prolonging the war (for lack of better terms) I have never been a fan or the atomic bomb and wish it never came to it. But I think it was the best course of action in the long run.

Censored by Laurie · April 17, 2009

I was actually talking about CBL's post in regards to the atomic bomb.

You mean my post that included this: "Yes, I've seen the studies suggesting that "saved" lives...and plenty to the contrary"?

oldguystudent · April 17, 2009

I love this. Classic argument between supply side and Keynes economics. Is there a drug problem because Americans demand it and therefore Latin America produces it or does Latin American production create American demand?

Looking at the recent increase in Latin American drug shipments to Europe via Guinea Bissau in search of higher prices, I'm choosing the former.

BeanCounterGrad'03 · April 17, 2009

You missed the point. No country has ever been completely right or never done anything wrong. This is in regards to the drug war, not slavery, Japanese internment, the natve americans, etc.

I believe you were the first one to state that "Obama will have us apologizing for all of the worlds problems". That opened up the discussion to topics other than the drug war.

Oh and nice little blurb about the atomic bomb. Germany and Russia were building them as well and would have dropped them first had they developed him. Germany for sure would have used it as a tool to further their Nazi oppresion. The ONLY reason we dropped them is because a full scale invasion of Japan probably would have led to the death of most of the Japanese population becuase most of the citizens would have taken up arms, and thus causing a larger number of US deaths as well. Two strategically placed atomic bombs made Japan realize the only option was to surrender. The only reason we hear about "America being the only country to use 'nuclear' weapons" is becuase we finished ours first. Noone ever mentions that there were others developing them. In fact, many of the scientists that helped to develop it, were defectors from Russia.

I'm well aware that Germany and Russia were developing them too (thank you History Channel ). I agree that it was good that we were the first to use them. I'm wondering why we first used them on civilian targets instead of military.

SilverEagle · April 17, 2009

Well since we are making a list. How about not giving women the right to vote until well into the 20th century. My mother, as a married woman, was not allowed to take out a loan in her own name until the late 60's.

Obama is not appologizing for everything, just what we are responsible for. It's called being a grown up. Going around and trying to force our will and way of life on the rest of the world has really made us popular with the rest of the world hasn't it?

meangreendork · April 17, 2009

Well since we are making a list. How about not giving women the right to vote until well into the 20th century. My mother, as a married woman, was not allowed to take out a loan in her own name until the late 60's.
Obama is not appologizing for everything, just what we are responsible for. It's called being a grown up. Going around and trying to force our will and way of life on the rest of the world has really made us popular with the rest of the world hasn't it?

Hey, the people in Belgium love us.

Seriously though, it's one thing to apologize for mistakes made as opposed to never bringing them up or changing history altogether (cough, Japan, cough). Shows a bit of maturity on your part, makes you more popular, makes it appear as if you are in fact a reasonable person. No one likes to hang out with the one big dude who pushes people around, thinking it's for their own good, and never really admitting that maybe he messed up on something.

KRAM1 · April 17, 2009

Well since we are making a list. How about not giving women the right to vote until well into the 20th century. My mother, as a married woman, was not allowed to take out a loan in her own name until the late 60's.
Obama is not appologizing for everything, just what we are responsible for. It's called being a grown up. Going around and trying to force our will and way of life on the rest of the world has really made us popular with the rest of the world hasn't it?

Nope...it's called being a apologist and trying to win favor from others by making his own nation look bad. Obama seems to be going around saying, "look at me...all those other guys were bad people, but look at me...I am the second coming and everyone else did bad things, but I am such a very good guy...Look at me, look at me, I am a rock star! Those atoher guys were bad, America is bad, but I will save all mankind because I am perfect...it's everyone else that is wrong, I am right...watch me, watch me!"

SilverEagle · April 17, 2009

Nope...it's called being a apologist and trying to win favor from others by making his own nation look bad. Obama seems to be going around saying, "look at me...all those other guys were bad people, but look at me...I am the second coming and everyone else did bad things, but I am such a very good guy...Look at me, look at me, I am a rock star! Those atoher guys were bad, America is bad, but I will save all mankind because I am perfect...it's everyone else that is wrong, I am right...watch me, watch me!"

President Obama doesn't have to do anything to make our country look bad to the rest of the world......Dick Cheney and his lap dog did a good enough job of that on their own.

And compared to the bumbling former occupant of the White House, President Obama is the second coming.

KRAM1 · April 17, 2009

President Obama doesn't have to do anything to make our country look bad to the rest of the world......Dick Cheney and his lap dog did a good enough job of that on their own.
And compared to the bumbling former occupant of the White House, President Obama is the second coming.

How does that Kool-Aid taste? In case you haven't realized it, George Bush is no longer president. It's time for Obama to take responsibility for what actions are happening today and to focus on the tough tasks ahead. Running around telling everyone to "look at me" and blaming America for all the ills of the world is NOT being a leader...it's being a apologist to curry favor...look at me...look at me, the young man cries, I am so pretty, I am so good, pick me, pick me!!!!

Censored by Laurie · April 17, 2009

How does that Kool-Aid taste? In case you haven't realized it, George Bush is no longer president. It's time for Obama to take responsibility for what actions are happening today and to focus on the tough tasks ahead. Running around telling everyone to "look at me" and blaming America for all the ills of the world is NOT being a leader...it's being a apologist to curry favor...look at me...look at me, the young man cries, I am so pretty, I am so good, pick me, pick me!!!!

Humility is something this country has not had in a long time...maybe Wilson? If ever. You talk about "Kool-aid" but it is you own biases that are leading you to believe Obama is being apologetic to the rest of the world for his own good and ego...

...as oppossed to his building alliances with countries and leaders who have felt alienated or threatened by previous administrations, administrations Republican or Democrat...which is how I see it. It's known as diplomacy...and its something world leaders should practice.

Mean Green 93-98 · April 17, 2009

Sure it takes a man to admit when he is wrong. But Obama is going around apologizing for things for which he blames others. Big difference. Kinda like KRAM saying, "I'm sorry CBL is such a big penis."

And really, to imply that Bush was not concerned with relations with Mexico?!?