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[GreenMachine]

Oh, im sorry, I didnt realize I offended you. Sorry, I missed the part where I stated noone else put in long hours. Although my chief has put in 80 hours multiple times.

didn't offend me at all, just found the whole statement humorous. Do you get this little man's syndrome while on duty?

[Rudy]

Not sure whats up with the personal attacks, but feel free to send me a PM and we can discuss this.

[GreenMachine]

Not sure whats up with the personal attacks, but feel free to send me a PM and we can discuss this.

settle down there tough guy. Just asking a question.

[Rudy]

Im cool, just wondering what caused you to act like you were offended, and then start saying I have some mythicial syndrome. LIke I said, send me a PM

[GreenBat]

The word your looking for is disgression, not necessarily compassion. Disgression is learned through experience. Officers are trained to be very by-the-book nowadays because departments want to avoid civil liability. Officers learn disgression through experience. Some have it naturally, with some it takes time.

Don't mean to be the grammar police, but the word you are looking for is Discretion.

[emmitt01]

I am a finance manager in the mortgage division of a large bank. Want to compare hours?

Sure. And I wouldn't even argue that I work more hours than you...just more "odd" hours. Whereas most people who would work an 80 hour week would do so from 7a-12a or something like this a police officers schedule would look for like this:

Monday

9a-12:30p Court

2p-6p Extra job at a bank

7p-3a Regular Duty

3a-5a Overtime because you caught a murder/robbery/kidnapping/etc call at the end of your shift

Tuesday

9a....Court

And so on...with, somewhere squeezed in here, time for the wife, the kids, sleep, eating, NT football...

Edited March 31, 2009 by emmitt01

[Rudy]

Sure. And I wouldn't even argue that I work more hours than you...just more "odd" hours. Whereas most people who would work an 80 hour week would do so from 7a-12a or something like this a police officers schedule would look for like this:

Monday

9a-12:30p Court

2p-6p Extra job at a bank

7p-3a Regular Duty

3a-5a Overtime because you caught a murder/robbery/kidnapping/etc call at the end of your shift

Tuesday

9a....Court

And so on...with, somewhere squeezed in here, time for the wife, the kids, sleep, eating, NT football...

Saw this schedule many times when working the Denton Co CH. But its ok, police are expected to be superhuman and not need to sleep or eat, and their familes are to be automatically supportive, yet when they make a mistake, its how dispicable they are how they have no need to be in the profession, etc.

[UNT90]

Don't mean to be the grammar police, but the word you are looking for is Discretion.

Damn...the one time I don't use spell check...

It's obvious some on here have had a negative experience with police, thus clouding there judgement. The only reason I say this is because of the personal nature of some of the responses to posts that are niether personal nor confrontational.

niether/nor? niether/or? Hell, I don't know

[BeanCounterGrad'03]

News out now says that officer Powell has resigned.

[Guest JohnDenver]

News out now says that officer Powell has resigned.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/29994542/

From the DPD:

When a Dallas police officer resigns while under investigation, the rules say that individual cannot reapply for a position with the department.

[UNT90]

That is a DPD rule. He can apply at other departments, but I doubt that he will. Also, when you resign under investigation, this is recorded by the state peace officer licensing committee and is reflected on your record when you attempt to get another law enforcement job. You can only do this once, the second time they pull your license to be a peace officer in the State of Texas.

Maybe now the media will move on and he and his family can get some peace.

Edited April 1, 2009 by UNT90

[gangrene]

Sure. And I wouldn't even argue that I work more hours than you...just more "odd" hours. Whereas most people who would work an 80 hour week would do so from 7a-12a or something like this a police officers schedule would look for like this:

Monday

9a-12:30p Court

2p-6p Extra job at a bank

7p-3a Regular Duty

3a-5a Overtime because you caught a murder/robbery/kidnapping/etc call at the end of your shift

Tuesday

9a....Court

And so on...with, somewhere squeezed in here, time for the wife, the kids, sleep, eating, NT football...

You left out the two-hour coffee break at the donut shop!!

Of course, I'm just kidding.

[Censored by Laurie]

You left out the two-hour coffee break at the donut shop!!

Fixed

[oldguystudent]

9a-12:30p Court

2p-6p Extra job at a bank

I have to questions.

1: Do you get paid for time in court?

2: I notice that a lot of police officers take off duty second jobs at banks or other private security venues. Doesn't police work pay fairly decent once you've got a few years in? Is the extra cash of a part-time job worth the perpetual sleep deprivation and separation from family?

I ask because during my brief stint in the finance world, we worked 90-hour weeks, and I wouldn't go back to that for any amount of money. I certainly wouldn't have gone looking for more work on top of it.

[UNT90]

I have to questions.

1: Do you get paid for time in court?

2: I notice that a lot of police officers take off duty second jobs at banks or other private security venues. Doesn't police work pay fairly decent once you've got a few years in? Is the extra cash of a part-time job worth the perpetual sleep deprivation and separation from family?

I ask because during my brief stint in the finance world, we worked 90-hour weeks, and I wouldn't go back to that for any amount of money. I certainly wouldn't have gone looking for more work on top of it.

1) You either get overtime, comp time, or it is rolled into part of your duty hours. You are compensated.

2) The lure of extra cash is hard to resist, especially when you are trying to provide the best environment for your family. Many officers have stay at home spouses and depend on the extra income to make up for being a one income family. It's kind of a double edge sword. I have a friend now that works about 25 hours a week extra so that his wife can care for both of their children, who are not yet in school. He plans on scaling back once both are in school and his wife can contribute a salary to the household.

[eulessismore]

1) You either get overtime, comp time, or it is rolled into part of your duty hours. You are compensated.

2) The lure of extra cash is hard to resist, especially when you are trying to provide the best environment for your family. Many officers have stay at home spouses and depend on the extra income to make up for being a one income family. It's kind of a double edge sword. I have a friend now that works about 25 hours a week extra so that his wife can care for both of their children, who are not yet in school. He plans on scaling back once both are in school and his wife can contribute a salary to the household.

If working those kind of hours contributes to getting divorced, which I suspect it does, I have to question whether it's cost effective. That assumes that spending more time together helps couples stay married.

[UNT90]

If working those kind of hours contributes to getting divorced, which I suspect it does, I have to question whether it's cost effective. That assumes that spending more time together helps couples stay married.

HUGE assumption.

[meangreendork]

So I'm discussing this exact topic on another board, and they're having a crapfit about Powell's actions, but they're not being half as reasonable as we are here. They've pretty much ignored all the red flags that Moats and party put up that would get Powell's suspicions up. Not that anyone is cutting him slack, but they seem to think that the Moats group is entirely blameless here. They're not, but that also doesn't take away from the fact that Powell did go way, way past the line.

Admittedly, I think that had Powell pulled over 3 dangerous people and had he gotten out of his car alone, he probably would've been killed. He should've stayed in his car.

Edited April 2, 2009 by meangreendork

[Guest JohnDenver]

So I'm discussing this exact topic on another board, and they're having a crapfit about Powell's actions, but they're not being half as reasonable as we are here. They've pretty much ignored all the red flags that Moats and party put up that would get Powell's suspicions up. Not that anyone is cutting him slack, but they seem to think that the Moats group is entirely blameless here. They're not, but that also doesn't take away from the fact that Powell did go way, way past the line.

Admittedly, I think that had Powell pulled over 3 dangerous people and had he gotten out of his car alone, he probably would've been killed. He should've stayed in his car.

I, personally, don't think there were many "red flags" by the Moats party. Put all the context clues together and the red flags become pink. Let's play the favorite game of UNT90.. TECHNICALLY Moats did nothing wrong by getting out of the car. He is legally able to get out of his car. Just saying...

[UNT90]

I, personally, don't think there were many "red flags" by the Moats party. Put all the context clues together and the red flags become pink. Let's play the favorite game of UNT90.. TECHNICALLY Moats did nothing wrong by getting out of the car. He is legally able to get out of his car. Just saying...

Dude. Police Departments don't operate off emotion, they operate from policy. He did not violate policy. There is nothing techical about it. Moats did nothing wrong by getting out of his car. The way he got out of his car is probably what concerned the officer. Should the officer have had enough common sense to realize what was going on? Of course. But there is no department policy defining common sense.

And yes, I duded you.

I saw an attorney on CHl 4 this morning who was connected to DPD in some way. He said that when they showed the video to younger officers, their reaction was "so, whats the problem?" But when they showed it to older officers, thier reaction was "What the hell is he doing!!!" There is a bigger issue here, which is how officers are trained to abide by policy and the extremely restrictive nature of these policies.

Still strikes me as humorous that everyone ignores the fact that there were 2 officers at the scene and focuses all thier attention on one officer. Pack mentality.

[Rudy]

Admittedly, I think that had Powell pulled over 3 dangerous people and had he gotten out of his car alone, he probably would've been killed. He should've stayed in his car.

If I stop several dangerous people, staying fully inside the car restricts movement and makes it harder to draw your weapon. I prefer to exit the vehicle, yet stay behind the car door to where if I need to, I can dive inside the car for cover, or I can hop back in and back the patrol car to a safe location.

Also, I dont know if this has been covered, but Moats claims that Powell's weapon was pointed at them. Powell states that the weapon never left the low cover position, meaning the weapon is pointed at a 45 degree angle and the ground. Although this is not on camera, I definitely believe Powll on this one. He probably had the weapon at low cover. And we see that later on in the stop, he is talking to Moats face to face. This is after he concluded that there was no immediate threat. I dont believe that the weapon was ever pointed at Moats. If I decide there is enough of a threat that my weapon is pointed at you, you are going in handcuffs first before anything else.

Anyways, just got home and thought Id add another post to the topic.