America Just Keeps Getting Kinder And Kinder

SilverEagle · February 18, 2009

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opin...ina15pitts.html

Their only crime is that they are two people who are in love and are devoted to one another.

And as always, I'm reminded of one of my favorite speeches from one of my favorite movies...Inherit the Wind.

Henry Drummond (Spencer Tracy): Can't you understand? That if you take a law like evolution and you make it a crime to teach it in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools? And tomorrow you may make it a crime to read about it. And soon you may ban books and newspapers. And then you may turn Catholic against Protestant, and Protestant against Protestant, and try to foist your own religion upon the mind of man. If you can do one, you can do the other. Because fanaticism and ignorance is forever busy, and needs feeding. And soon, your Honor, with banners flying and with drums beating we'll be marching backward, BACKWARD, through the glorious ages of that Sixteenth Century when bigots burned the man who dared bring enlightenment and intelligence to the human mind!

Edited February 18, 2009 by SilverEagle

UNTflyer · February 18, 2009

Well first, to call Miami "anti-gay" is a bit over the top. These ladies were from Connecticut, and probably viewed the south as a bunch of ignorant homophobes but you can hardly characterize the city of Miami as such. Miami is called the Gay Riviera.

Second, another article states she had a brain aneurysm and was in a coma. She was in the trauma ward, and hospital policy denies any visitors until the patient is stabilized. I've had a loved one in a trauma ward, and it is no place for families to hang out, especially children.

Sorry for her loss, but it smacks of a shakedown. I don't buy the story of what the social worker said.

I have nothing against gay marriage. To quote Sam Waterston's Law & Order character: "Let them marry. Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us?"

SilverEagle · February 18, 2009

Well first, to call Miami "anti-gay" is a bit over the top. These ladies were from Connecticut, and probably viewed the south as a bunch of ignorant homophobes but you can hardly characterize the city of Miami as such. Miami is called the Gay Riviera.
Second, another article states she had a brain aneurysm and was in a coma. She was in the trauma ward, and hospital policy denies any visitors until the patient is stabilized. I've had a loved one in a trauma ward, and it is no place for families to hang out, especially children.
Sorry for her loss, but it smacks of a shakedown. I don't buy the story of what the social worker said.
I have nothing against gay marriage. To quote Sam Waterston's Law & Order character: "Let them marry. Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us?"

..not as much as gay couples in the D/FW area view it.

Yeah, every time Amercia's ignorance and intolerance (ironic since we are supposed to be the richest and smartest nation in the world) is highlighted, it's some sort of shakedown......mostly liberal of course.

UNTLifer · February 18, 2009

..not as much as gay couples in the D/FW area view it.
Yeah, every time Amercia's ignorance and intolerance (ironic since we are supposed to be the richest and smartest nation in the world) is highlighted, it's some sort of shakedown......mostly liberal of course.

Intolerance? Should America be a nation of "if it feels good, do it" citizens?

meangreendork · February 18, 2009

You know, I hope this is a shakedown. I would hope that places didn't do this sort of thing anymore, but seriously, in the last few months, I wouldn't be shocked if this was true.

Mean Green 93-98 · February 18, 2009

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opin...ina15pitts.html
Their only crime is that they are two people who are in love and are devoted to one another.
And as always, I'm reminded of one of my favorite speeches from one of my favorite movies...Inherit the Wind.
Henry Drummond (Spencer Tracy): Can't you understand? That if you take a law like evolution and you make it a crime to teach it in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools? And tomorrow you may make it a crime to read about it. And soon you may ban books and newspapers. And then you may turn Catholic against Protestant, and Protestant against Protestant, and try to foist your own religion upon the mind of man. If you can do one, you can do the other. Because fanaticism and ignorance is forever busy, and needs feeding. And soon, your Honor, with banners flying and with drums beating we'll be marching backward, BACKWARD, through the glorious ages of that Sixteenth Century when bigots burned the man who dared bring enlightenment and intelligence to the human mind!

Hmmm...You mean back to the time when the Bible was forbidden to the general public? Yes, we look to be on our way back there.

Censored by Laurie · February 18, 2009

Bible was forbidden to the general public?

Joel Osteen would've just been some kinda salesman...I'm not really seeing the downside.

UNTflyer · February 18, 2009

I'm just saying, there are three sides to a story... hers, theirs, and the truth.

The trauma center is no place for visitors, so the denial of visitation is the tug-your-heart-strings part of the lawsuit. She certainly has legal standing with regards to her being the decision-maker for her partner's care, but from articles I've found on this case there were really no decisions to make. She had an aneurysm, went into coma, and died.

Another part of this that bugs me is the surviving partner says: "Any family should have the right to hold their loved one's hand in the last moments of life, and we were denied that.''

Weeelllll, sort of. If she were dying of cancer in a regular room then yes I certainly agree. But I go back to the fact that the trauma ward is no place for visitors. It's a very chaotic place, often filled with people who have horrific injuries and visitors tend to get in the way. They would always be running out a screaming for a doctor to come "NOW!"

The hospital says their policy is NO VISITORS until the patient is stable. It sounds to me like that there are no exceptions for lesbian life partners.

Edited February 18, 2009 by UNTflyer

February 18, 2009

I'm just saying, there are three sides to a story... hers, theirs, and the truth.
The trauma center is no place for visitors, so the denial of visitation is the tug-your-heart-strings part of the lawsuit. She certainly has legal standing with regards to her being the decision-maker for her partner's care, but from articles I've found on this case there were really no decisions to make. She had an aneurysm, went into coma, and died.
Another part of this that bugs me is the surviving partner says: "Any family should have the right to hold their loved one's hand in the last moments of life, and we were denied that.''
Weeelllll, sort of. If she were dying of cancer in a regular room then yes I certainly agree. But I go back to the fact that the trauma ward is no place for visitors. It's a very chaotic place, often filled with people who have horrific injuries and visitors tend to get in the way. They would always be running out a screaming for a doctor to come "NOW!"
The hospital says their policy is NO VISITORS until the patient is stable. It sounds to me like that there are no exceptions for lesbian life partners.

She was likely in ICU, not trauma, if she were in a coma. But, even if she were in a trauma room... My wife has a family at the side of resuscitation efforts almost every time she is on trauma call. Sometimes she has them there just so the family will see how violent it is and how their loved one shouldn't be going through this over and over and over, when it is a lost cause.

Also, a coma is about as stable as you can get...

Eagle1855 · February 18, 2009

Joel Osteen would've just been some kinda salesman...

Is he not already?

Censored by Laurie · February 18, 2009

Is he not already?

Fair...but I imagine it would be for something far less sleazy than what he's peddling now...maybe sub-prime mortgages...or crack.

Green P1 · February 18, 2009

Resisting urge to post Donnie Davies video.... resisting.... resisting.....

:pinch:

UNTflyer · February 18, 2009

She was likely in ICU, not trauma, if she were in a coma. But, even if she were in a trauma room... My wife has a family at the side of resuscitation efforts almost every time she is on trauma call. Sometimes she has them there just so the family will see how violent it is and how their loved one shouldn't be going through this over and over and over, when it is a lost cause.
Also, a coma is about as stable as you can get...

The article says it was the trauma ward. And I suppose every hospital's policy is different, but this hospital apparently has a policy regarding trauma ward visitation. Now if she can show that the policy is not applied to heterosexual couples and selectively applied to gay couples, she certainly would have a case. But again, the fact she claimed that the social worker told her that Miami was an "anti-gay city" tells me that we're not getting the entire truth. Anyone who spends more than 5 minutes on South Beach would know Miami is hardly "anti-gay".

Edited February 18, 2009 by UNTflyer

Mean Green 93-98 · February 18, 2009

Joel Osteen would've just been some kinda salesman...I'm not really seeing the downside.

Have you ever heard/read Joel Osteen? There's probably more Bible quoted at a Democratic National Convention than in a year of Joel Osteen "sermons."

Censored by Laurie · February 18, 2009

Have you ever heard/read Joel Osteen? There's probably more Bible quoted at a Democratic National Convention than in a year of Joel Osteen "sermons."

OK...so we've got religion and politics...if we can work in the economy and pitbulls I can go home for the day, pull up the link Charlie73 provided and masterbate with a clear conscience

Quoner · February 18, 2009

OK...so we've got religion and politics...if we can work in the economy and pitbulls I can go home for the day, pull up the link Charlie73 provided and masterbate with a clear conscience

ftw

SilverEagle · February 18, 2009

Intolerance? Should America be a nation of "if it feels good, do it" citizens?

I hate to be the one that breaks this news to you, but America already is. And it isn't the gay community that encourages it. America is in it's current financial pickle because fewer and fewer people can make good financial decisions. It obviously "felt good" to buy something, even though all common sense should have told them that there was no way in hell that they could afford the payments.

This story is about people who love one another and are devoted to one another, but are considered less than second class citizens because of it.

UNTLifer · February 18, 2009

Politicians and alleged religious leaders have routinely invited us to hate gay people and call it morality. They have taught us to frame gay lives in cloudy abstracts of tradition and values

Actually, I disagreed with the above quote from Mr. Pitt's article more than anything else, which I find as an illustration of his ignorance.

I hate to be the one that breaks this news to you, but America already is.

So we should just give in because "everyone's doing it?"

Green P1 · February 18, 2009

Actually, I disagreed with the above quote from Mr. Pitt's article more than anything else, which I find as an illustration of his ignorance.

Could you expand upon that?

meangreendork · February 18, 2009

Actually, I disagreed with the above quote from Mr. Pitt's article more than anything else, which I find as an illustration of his ignorance.
Could you expand upon that?

Pitt's making a generalization. However, that's not to take away from the simple fact that some politicians and religious figures have been pushing hate under the guise of morality. Evidently, "WWJD" is answered with, "be a big effing douchebag" by these folks.

Censored by Laurie · February 19, 2009

ftw

That is my plan, sir. I need an Asian to cross off the list next.

Quoner · February 19, 2009

That is my plan, sir. I need an Asian to cross off the list next.

I just meant "for the win," but I like where this is going. Who knew those three letters could mean so many things?

Censored by Laurie · February 19, 2009

I just meant "for the win," but I like where this is going. Who knew those three letters could mean so many things?

Hmmm...didn't think of that one...my other thought was that you were inviting me over to Ft. Worth to share in such things as described in the previous post.

SilverEagle · February 19, 2009

Actually, I disagreed with the above quote from Mr. Pitt's article more than anything else, which I find as an illustration of his ignorance.
So we should just give in because "everyone's doing it?"

Give in to what? "Those people" have been forming long term relationships long before either of us were born. Let them have the same legal relationship that all of us have. Every gay person in America can get married tomorrow and it will not change (morally) one thing that I do, that my wife does, or my son and daughter-in-law does on a daily basis.

KingDL1 · February 19, 2009

Give in to what? "Those people" have been forming long term relationships long before either of us were born. Let them have the same legal relationship that all of us have. Every gay person in America can get married tomorrow and it will not change (morally) one thing that I do, that my wife does, or my son and daughter-in-law does on a daily basis.

Sure it would, you just choose to ignore it. Not getting into the increased pressure for adoption by gay couples, or having to sit in a trial during a gay divorce as a juror. The pressure and rifts it causes with religion, or the example it makes for children is enough to say no. Not to mention this would help reinforce affirmative action for gays, which is fairly sick. How do you prove it? Every major religion treats it as a sin, why would I want it to be openly part of my company? That is pushing others beliefs on me, then the government would be imposing something that I find morally and naturally disgusting on me as right and law.

But if you want to worry about this situation if it was your best lifelong friend in there they would not have let you in either, does that make you second class?