"take That Old Lady!"

[Mean Green 93-98]

You still shouldn't be able to discriminate because upon something that happened naturally (i.e. in the womb, by hormones) that causes a person to be the way they are.

You do know that no genetic link to homosexuality has ever been established, depite the best efforts of the homosexual lobby?

[GreenMachine]

You do know that no genetic link to homosexuality has ever been established, depite the best efforts of the homosexual lobby?

definitely pie!

[Guest JohnDenver]

You do know that no genetic link to homosexuality has ever been established, depite the best efforts of the homosexual lobby?

There probably isn't a "link to heterosexuality" either. Simply because genetic research is hard to do.. and needs a lot of time and therefore funding.

I keep reading in these threads about a "homosexual lobby." What is this? Like the Log Cabin Republicans?

[Mean Green 93-98]

There probably isn't a "link to heterosexuality" either. Simply because genetic research is hard to do.. and needs a lot of time and therefore funding.

I keep reading in these threads about a "homosexual lobby." What is this? Like the Log Cabin Republicans?

I guess that would be part of the homosexual lobby. There are controlling factions in the Department of Education and APA that have led them to advocate a pro-homosexual agenda. I had in mind more radical groups, such as GLSEN, NAMBLA, and PFLAG.

Research trying to establish a link between genetics and homosexuality has been taking place for years. There has been time and there has been funding. Consider the millions that pro-homosexual groups poured into California just on this one proposition. If homosexuality could be proven as genetically-based, it would have far more lasting political value. Simon LeVay sought to establish such a link, and did not; as he admitted, "I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work." This despite his perception of the usefulness of establishing a link: "The question of whether or not gayness is immutable is rather crucial in the political arena. The American public will have a different attitude toward gay rights depending on whether they believe being gay is a matter of choice or not. . . . If science can show sexual orientation is a deep aspect of a person's being, there is potential for immense good." The funding has been there, and will be there.

[SilverEagle]

I guess that would be part of the homosexual lobby. There are controlling factions in the Department of Education and APA that have led them to advocate a pro-homosexual agenda. I had in mind more radical groups, such as GLSEN, NAMBLA, and PFLAG.

I take exception to NAMBLA being included with gay/lesbian support groups. NAMBLA is a group started by pedophiles who advocate that children should be able to make their own decisions about having sex. Homosexuals are not pedophiles.

Pedophiles are people that are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children (male or female). Most of them don't care about the gender...although a great many target boys. A friend of mine was an investigator for CPS, and his specialty was sexual abuse investigations. After he got one offender to confess (the man had been targeting children in the 8-10 year old range), he asked the offender why he didn't seem to care if he was victimizing boys or girls. The offender's resonse was "Hell, when you flip them over on their stomachs, they all look the same to me".

[FirefightnRick]

The offender's resonse was "Hell, when you flip them over on their stomachs, they all look the same to me".

Thank you to the people of the states of Montana, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Georgia, and Texas.

Rick

[Mean Green 93-98]

I take exception to NAMBLA being included with gay/lesbian support groups. NAMBLA is a group started by pedophiles who advocate that children should be able to make their own decisions about having sex. Homosexuals are not pedophiles.

Pedophiles are people that are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children (male or female). Most of them don't care about the gender...although a great many target boys. A friend of mine was an investigator for CPS, and his specialty was sexual abuse investigations. After he got one offender to confess (the man had been targeting children in the 8-10 year old range), he asked the offender why he didn't seem to care if he was victimizing boys or girls. The offender's resonse was "Hell, when you flip them over on their stomachs, they all look the same to me".

Take offense all you want, but NAMBLA has participated with efforts of other supposedly more "reputable" homosexual advocacy groups. Just so you know, NAMBLA stands for North America Man-Boy Love Association. That's specifically homosexual.

[SilverEagle]

Take offense all you want, but NAMBLA has participated with efforts of other supposedly more "reputable" homosexual advocacy groups. Just so you know, NAMBLA stands for North America Man-Boy Love Association. That's specifically homosexual.

I know what NAMBLA stands for, that's why I objected to it being included with homosexual support groups. Man-Boy sex is pedophilia, not homosexuality. That's why all those priests that have had sex with alter boys etc are called pedophiles, and not homosexuals.

Edited November 17, 2008 by SilverEagle

[Censored by Laurie]

I know what NAMBLA stands for, that's why I objected to it being included with homosexual support groups. Man-Boy sex is pedophilia, not homosexuality. That's why all those priests that have had sex with alter boys etc are called pedophiles, and not homosexuals.

Rudy Cos supports this statement

[Green Mean]

Rudy Cos supports this statement

Man I have heard that name before....what is he famous for?

[Censored by Laurie]

Man I have heard that name before....what is he famous for?

Fencing teacher

[Mean Green 93-98]

I know what NAMBLA stands for, that's why I objected to it being included with homosexual support groups. Man-Boy sex is pedophilia, not homosexuality. That's why all those priests that have had sex with alter boys etc are called pedophiles, and not homosexuals.

Men and boys are both the same sex; hence, "man-boy" sex is homosexuality as well as pedophilia.

I never used the term "homosexual support groups." I believe I referred to such groups as homosexual advocacy groups. And yes, NAMBLA is among their number. NAMBLA was the first American member of the International Lesbian and Gay Association, which holds consultative status to the UN.

Although they may offend you, facts are facts.

Edited November 17, 2008 by Mean Green 93-98

[SilverEagle]

Men and boys are both the same sex; hence, "man-boy" sex is homosexuality as well as pedophilia.

I never used the term "homosexual support groups." I believe I referred to such groups as homosexual advocacy groups. And yes, NAMBLA is among their number. NAMBLA was the first American member of the International Lesbian and Gay Association, which holds consultative status to the UN.

Although they may offend you, facts are facts.

Homosexuality is an adult orientation. Adult males attracted to adult males, and adult females attracted to adult females.

The sexual attraction to children (male or female....or both) by an adult, is pedophilia.....not homosexuality. These are facts.

[Mean Green 93-98]

Homosexuality is an adult orientation. Adult males attracted to adult males, and adult females attracted to adult females.

The sexual attraction to children (male or female....or both) by an adult, is pedophilia.....not homosexuality. These are facts.

Well, since you obviously know more about this than the International Gay and Lesbian Association you may want to straighten them out that sex between men and boys is not homosexual. You also may want to straighten out all the linguists through the years who thought the root "homo-" meant "same," and that "sexual" pertained to sex.

While you're at it, please straighten out Webster's:

Main Entry: 1ho·mo·sex·u·al

Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'seksh-(&-)w&l, -'sek-sh&l

Function: adjective

1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward individuals of one's own sex —compare HETEROSEXUAL 1a

2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between individuals of the same sex —compare HETEROSEXUAL 1b —ho·mo·sex·u·al·ly /-E/ adverb

Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

Regardless of your eminent proficiency in reworking the English language, NAMBLA is well-represented in the homosexual advocacy movement. Fact.

[SilverEagle]

Well, since you obviously know more about this than the International Gay and Lesbian Association you may want to straighten them out that sex between men and boys is not homosexual. You also may want to straighten out all the linguists through the years who thought the root "homo-" meant "same," and that "sexual" pertained to sex.

While you're at it, please straighten out Webster's:

Regardless of your eminent proficiency in reworking the English language, NAMBLA is well-represented in the homosexual advocacy movement. Fact.

Since you seem to think that I conveniently ignore terms and words, you just keep ignoring the key term that I presented "adult orientation". Man-boy sex [b]is not an adult sexual orientation. It is pedophilia....with is completely different.

[GreenMachine]

you may want to straighten them out

the word straight in this whole conversation just seems so out of place.

[forevereagle]

Since you seem to think that I conveniently ignore terms and words, you just keep ignoring the key term that I presented "adult orientation". Man-boy sex [b]is not an adult sexual orientation. It is pedophilia....with is completely different.

Can we agree that it would be homosexual pedophilia and just move on?

[Mean Green 93-98]

Since you seem to think that I conveniently ignore terms and words, you just keep ignoring the key term that I presented "adult orientation". Man-boy sex [b]is not an adult sexual orientation. It is pedophilia....with is completely different.

I am aware that you keep referring to "adult orientation"--I did not ignore it, that's entirely what my last post addressed. But the term homosexuality is not limited to sex between adults, except in your mind.

[Green Mean]

Seems that in talks like this there will never be an agreement or maybe even a right answer.

For my personal view I believe in gay rights to the fullest like everybody else and I hope one day the law for gay marriages will pass. Also comparing pedophelia and homosexuality as the the same thing is probably one of the more ridiculous things I have read in quite sometime. Come to think of it I probably read some of the most absurd things on this board as far as commentary goes. God I love this board.

[Mean Green 93-98]

Seems that in talks like this there will never be an agreement or maybe even a right answer.

You people crack me up.

[Green Mean]

You people crack me up.

Did my comment make you blush?

[Guest JohnDenver]

Did my comment make you blush?

No dude.. He has the right answer. He can carry it in a leather bound cover.

In all seriousness, I find comparing all gays to pedophiles ridiculous. It is a huge FAIL. It is like saying that the KKK is anti-gay and pro-christian, therefore they are a "Mean Green 93-98 association." Even if Mean Green 93-98 says he doesn't like or condone the Klan, we will stick to the argument, because after all, they have something in common.

[Mean Green 93-98]

No dude.. He has the right answer. He can carry it in a leather bound cover.

In all seriousness, I find comparing all gays to pedophiles ridiculous. It is a huge FAIL. It is like saying that the KKK is anti-gay and pro-christian, therefore they are a "Mean Green 93-98 association." Even if Mean Green 93-98 says he doesn't like or condone the Klan, we will stick to the argument, because after all, they have something in common.

Boy, you beat the pulp out of that straw man. I never implied that all homosexuals were pedophiles.

All I said was that NAMBLA was numbered among homosexual advocacy groups.

Premise 1: The International Lesbian and Gay Association is a homosexual advocacy group.

Premise 2: NAMBLA was the first American member of the International Lesbian and Gay Association

Conclusion: NAMBLA is numbered among homosexual advocacy groups.

[Guest JohnDenver]

Boy, you beat the pulp out of that straw man. I never implied that all homosexuals were pedophiles.

All I said was that NAMBLA was numbered among homosexual advocacy groups.

Premise 1: The International Lesbian and Gay Association is a homosexual advocacy group.

Premise 2: NAMBLA was the first American member of the International Lesbian and Gay Association

Conclusion: NAMBLA is numbered among homosexual advocacy groups.

Ok, if that is the way it goes... then the KKK is a christian advocacy group. As long as that is all we are saying. Then I am cool with it.

Don't you try to "straw man" me. Internet argument 101, mention the word straw man at some point. I purposely avoided Godwin and went with the Klan references.

[GreenMachine]

Ok, if that is the way it goes... then the KKK is a christian advocacy group. As long as that is all we are saying. Then I am cool with it.

Don't you try to "straw man" me. Internet argument 101, mention the word straw man at some point. I purposely avoided Godwin and went with the Klan references.

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