Grapevine Pastor Tells Followers To Bone 7 Days A Week...

[EagleD]

I don't plan on getting a divorce, especially after this week!

BTW, your question isn't relevant. You would retain a lawyer for the legal ramifications of property, children, etc... which has nothing to do with the definition or marriage.

Are you making the argument that divorce has nothing to do with marriage?

[UNTLifer]

Are you making the argument that divorce has nothing to do with marriage?

Pertaining to the definition of marriage, no it doesn't.

[EagleD]

Pertaining to the definition of marriage, no it doesn't.

So then how do you get a divorce if you don't get married?

[NT03]

If i find a fine woman who's husband does not agree with this idea and I decide to "fill in" for a week does this make me a bad person ??? I'm just trying to help her out in a religous type of way

Did I mention she would be willing to donate $$$ to the stadium fund... .i'm just sayin

[UNTLifer]

Stirring some more...

Marriage has nothing to do with religion. Again, marriage has nothing to do with religion.

If it did you'd have to go to a church to get a divorce. Marriage is contract b/w two people. Contracts are legal matters. Marriage is a legal matter, not a religious matter. Most ceremonies are religious but not exclusively. A marriage performed by a JP is just as valid as one done by a preacher.

My response was to your comment above. I gave you the definition of marriage, being a Christian, that I believe in and that definition does not include anything about divorce. I believe that marriage is a holy covenant between a man and a woman.

[Eagle1855]

My response was to your comment above. I gave you the definition of marriage, being a Christian, that I believe in and that definition does not include anything about divorce. I believe that marriage is a holy covenant between a man and a woman.

I think half of Fellowship Church is comprised of singles. Which means, there are a fair share of divorcees. Which means, this is probably a salient message for those that are married. I think its a great concept. I mean honestly, I think all churches ought to push this sort of thing. People get too involved in their schedules and the have-to-dos and forget to live.

Wow I didnt mean to get on that soapbox. Carry on.

[Mean Green 93-98]

Stirring some more...

Marriage has nothing to do with religion. Again, marriage has nothing to do with religion.

If it did you'd have to go to a church to get a divorce. Marriage is contract b/w two people. Contracts are legal matters. Marriage is a legal matter, not a religious matter. Most ceremonies are religious but not exclusively. A marriage performed by a JP is just as valid as one done by a preacher.

I agree that for you, marriage has nothing to do with religion. But Christians (and those of most religions) understand God to have originated marriage. We comply with the laws of the land to obtain marriage, as long as they comply with the laws of God.

[Coffee and TV]

Depends on your belief. Being a Christian, I believe marriage as it is stated in the Bible, which is the definitive word of God.

Too bad we're not a theocracy.

[forevereagle]

On a completely unrelated topic, doesn't the title of this thread paint a lovely picture. I think this is the most likely way the preacher is going to describe it.

[EagleD]

My response was to your comment above. I gave you the definition of marriage, being a Christian, that I believe in and that definition does not include anything about divorce. I believe that marriage is a holy covenant between a man and a woman.

Let me throw out a hypothetical situation. (It's really not a hypothetical, I know someone who suffered through this). A woman gets married. The day after she gets married her husband turns into a complete controlling and abusive ass. While her definition of marriage is quite similar to yours she quickly determines she cannot continue to live in these circumstances. As defined by the state she can get divorced and move on with her life, but with of your definition of marriage she should never get remarried in a christian church. Or even moreso she will always be considered married to this guy. Is this correct?

[Quoner]

Let me throw out a hypothetical situation. (It's really not a hypothetical, I know someone who suffered through this). A woman gets married. The day after she gets married her husband turns into a complete controlling and abusive ass. While her definition of marriage is quite similar to yours she quickly determines she cannot continue to live in these circumstances. As defined by the state she can get divorced and move on with her life, but with of your definition of marriage she should never get remarried in a christian church. Or even moreso she will always be considered married to this guy. Is this correct?

Not true - that situation would have no problem being annulled....I know people who have had that situation and took those steps easily.

[oldguystudent]

I have a serious, non-snarky question for those who believe that marriage is a sacred institution originated by God.

Is sex a marital duty?

[Texas Stranger]

I have a serious, non-snarky question for those who believe that marriage is a sacred institution originated by God.

Is sex a marital duty?

Shouldn't have to go any farther than Gen 1:28 to find that particular answer.

[oldguystudent]

Shouldn't have to go any farther than Gen 1:28 to find that particular answer.

That's the go forth and multiply line, right? So that's an edict to reproduce. What about when you're in your 50s and you're not gonna' have any more kids?

[UNTLifer]

Too bad we're not a theocracy.

But isn't it great that the Constitution of this fine nation allows for freedom of religion.

[UNTLifer]

I agree that for you, marriage has nothing to do with religion. But Christians (and those of most religions) understand God to have originated marriage. We comply with the laws of the land to obtain marriage, as long as they comply with the laws of God.

Gen. 2:18, 21-24

The Lord God said, 'It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him'...and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh.

Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man.' For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. (NIV)

Here we see the first wedding. We can conclude from this account in Genesis that marriage is God's idea, designed and instituted by the Creator. In these verses we also discover that at the heart of God's design for marriage is companionship and intimacy.

[UNTLifer]

Let me throw out a hypothetical situation. (It's really not a hypothetical, I know someone who suffered through this). A woman gets married. The day after she gets married her husband turns into a complete controlling and abusive ass. While her definition of marriage is quite similar to yours she quickly determines she cannot continue to live in these circumstances. As defined by the state she can get divorced and move on with her life, but with of your definition of marriage she should never get remarried in a christian church. Or even moreso she will always be considered married to this guy. Is this correct?

Here's an interesting read:

Divorce and remarriage

[Guest JohnDenver]

Makes my head hurt trying to keep up with the moral majority values...

1) Marriage is religious, not your religion, my religion. Your legal marriage should follow that.

2) Marriage in religious, divorces aren't allowed by God. However, your legal marriage can't still have divorces, even though it should still be abide by our religion's marriage definition.

3) God's word is final, well, unless you are talking about the God of the old testament, you can forget about that mish mash. It was his pre-season warm-up. Kind of like UT playing UNT for the first game.

4) The English Bible is final, words are clear. Well, except when we want to try to justify divorce by re-translating Greek and Hebrew words into modern words. However, one tries to justify gayness with trying to do the same logic, the Bible is very clear in its words.

[GoMeanGreen1999]

Let me throw out a hypothetical situation. (It's really not a hypothetical, I know someone who suffered through this). A woman gets married. The day after she gets married her husband turns into a complete controlling and abusive ass. While her definition of marriage is quite similar to yours she quickly determines she cannot continue to live in these circumstances. As defined by the state she can get divorced and move on with her life, but with of your definition of marriage she should never get remarried in a christian church. Or even moreso she will always be considered married to this guy. Is this correct?

I see your argument, and there are some instances in scripture where you can made a case for divorce, but it is a whole different situation when it comes to remarriage. There are two different ideas here though I believe if I understand the discussion between you and Lifer. Lifer is making the argument on marriage/divorce from a Christian realm (which I happen to fall under) and you are making it from the secular or worldly view, correct?

[Green P1]

But isn't it great that the Constitution of this fine nation allows for freedom of religion.

As long as its not the kind of religion that would allow for homosexual marriage.......... Those dudes don't deserve freedom.

[EagleD]

Makes my head hurt trying to keep up with the moral majority values...

1) Marriage is religious, not your religion, my religion. Your legal marriage should follow that.

2) Marriage in religious, divorces aren't allowed by God. However, your legal marriage can't still have divorces, even though it should still be abide by our religion's marriage definition.

3) God's word is final, well, unless you are talking about the God of the old testament, you can forget about that mish mash. It was his pre-season warm-up. Kind of like UT playing UNT for the first game.

4) The English Bible is final, words are clear. Well, except when we want to try to justify divorce by re-translating Greek and Hebrew words into modern words. However, one tries to justify gayness with trying to do the same logic, the Bible is very clear in its words.

YEAH!!!!!

Wait, What?

[meangreendork]

Let me throw out a hypothetical situation. (It's really not a hypothetical, I know someone who suffered through this). A woman gets married. The day after she gets married her husband turns into a complete controlling and abusive ass. While her definition of marriage is quite similar to yours she quickly determines she cannot continue to live in these circumstances. As defined by the state she can get divorced and move on with her life, but with of your definition of marriage she should never get remarried in a christian church. Or even moreso she will always be considered married to this guy. Is this correct?

Took a look at UNTLifer's link. I would say the abusiveness would qualify as a reason to make a divorce that would allow for a remarriage back in the Christian church. Abusiveness is just as bad as infidelity, I would think.

[GreenMachine]

Sausage?

[Censored by Laurie]

Sausage?

Actually its called Loukaniko

[GreenMachine]

Actually its called Loukaniko

Mortadella?