What Do Obama Supporters Do Now?

[MeanGreengdub]

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obam...auses_obsessive

[Rudy]

Hil-freakin-arious.

[meangreendork]

That is greatness.

[Green Guy Bass]

Hopefully Obama supporters help our country move forward and improve itself at every turn. I also wish the McCain supporters would do the same. We need to figure some things out here and we need everyone on board working for changes and progress.

[Green P1]

We need to figure some things out here and we need everyone on board working for changes and progress.

Are you referring to this board or the American populous in general? If its the former........ this nation is screwed.

[Rudy]

So you want the McCain Supporters to help out? I hope you dont mean the same way the Kerry and Gore supporters "helped"

Im sure Conservatives would like to help, if Mr Obama would allow them on his staff.

[FirefightnRick]

Hopefully Obama supporters help our country move forward and improve itself at every turn. I also wish the McCain supporters would do the same. We need to figure some things out here and we need everyone on board working for changes and progress.

I hope your right but BHO's first appointment doesn't lean that way considering how Partisan Emanual has been in the past. And the Fairness Doctrine seems to be getting talked about and hinted at more and more and now more talks of bailouts, including the auto industry giants who stood on stage with him during his first appointment last week, but we shall see. It is my hope that Conservatives do not give up their corp values and give in and pander to the left like John McCain tried to do. He now understands where that got him and it's too late. It is my hope that BHO has a change of heart on many issues he has promised(including the ideology of growing the economy from the gound up) that greatly concerns me and I think he will because he cannot pay for many of them. He faces a great challenge ahead of him but I think with his charisma, charm and intelligence he could prove many of us wrong and become one of the greatest presidents of all time but it will take some change on his part as well.

Rick

[MeanGreengdub]

I hope your right but BHO's first appointment doesn't lean that way considering how Partisan Emanual has been in the past. And the Fairness Doctrine seems to be getting talked about and hinted at more and more and now more talks of bailouts, including the auto industry giants who stood on stage with him during his first appointment last week, but we shall see. It is my hope that Conservatives do not give up their corp values and give in and pander to the left like John McCain tried to do. He now understands where that got him and it's too late. It is my hope that BHO has a change of heart on many issues he has promised(including the ideology of growing the economy from the gound up) that greatly concerns me and I think he will because he cannot pay for many of them. He faces a great challenge ahead of him but I think with his charisma, charm and intelligence he could prove many of us wrong and become one of the greatest presidents of all time but it will take some change on his part as well.

Rick

Well said. I'm not sure a Dem would say that about a GOP member.

[UNTflyer]

...we need everyone on board working for changes and progress.

What does this mean?? A year and a half of "change" and "progress" and we still have no clue of the President Elect's specific plans.

The "change" I'd like to see is government not sticking its nose into the corporate world, like they did when they threatened mortgage companies with investigations if they didn't make high-risk loans. Or the blind eye turned to the problems at Fannie and Freddie. Or the ban on offshore oil drilling.

This bailout (now at over $2 trillion) is a result of bad government policies, not poor business decisions.

[UNTflyer]

You cannot grow an economy from the bottom up. Poor people, by their nature, make poor decisions... it's why they are poor.

Even if you give every American in poverty a $5000 handout, it's a waste of money. Most will piss it away on frivolous stuff rather than use it to pull themselves out of poverty. Poverty is not the result of lack of money, it's a result of the absence of good judgment and responsibility.

[Green Mean]

You cannot grow an economy from the bottom up. Poor people, by their nature, make poor decisions... it's why they are poor.

Even if you give every American in poverty a $5000 handout, it's a waste of money. Most will piss it away on frivolous stuff rather than use it to pull themselves out of poverty. Poverty is not the result of lack of money, it's a result of the absence of good judgment and responsibility.

I disagree. I dont doubt that it does happen to a lot of them but to say everyone does it is something I disagree with. I think there are other ways to getting rid of poverty but that is just me.

[Guest JohnDenver]

This bailout (now at over $2 trillion) is a result of bad government policies, not poor business decisions.

Wow.

[meangreendork]

...they threatened mortgage companies with investigations if they didn't make high-risk loans.

What? Did you just tell us that the mortgage crisis is a problem caused by over-regulation? Seriously? That's astounding, it really is.

This bailout (now at over $2 trillion) is a result of bad government policies, not poor business decisions.

Wow, last I checked it was a combination of too much de-regulation on mortgage writing, greed at the higher levels, and predatory lending practices and people who didn't know how to live within their means (this includes all socio-economic demographics.

Poor people, by their nature, make poor decisions... it's why they are poor.

That's a hugely generalized statement. And it's also patently offensive. Now you're going tell me that a child growing up in the slums of shantytown Mexico is there of his own doing, right?

Poverty is not the result of lack of money, it's a result of the absence of good judgment and responsibility.

Another generalization. Poverty on a massive scale tends to be something caused, at the root, by something not really within the control of those dealing with it. What they can do is attempt to fix their problem (which they are responsible for entirely), but if the problem is at a level outside their control, say at the governmental level, what can really be done? It's like solving the corruption problem in Mexico - both the individual and those in power have to work together to clean that mess up.

Edited November 11, 2008 by meangreendork

[UNTflyer]

That's a hugely generalized statement. And it's also patently offensive. Now you're going tell me that a child growing up in the slums of shantytown Mexico is there of his own doing, right?

I thought we were talking about what Barack Obama is going to do for poor Americans, not poor Mexicans.

Allow me to rephrase: Poor adult Americans, by their nature, make poor decisions... it's why they are poor.

Edited November 11, 2008 by UNTflyer

[meangreendork]

I thought we were talking about what Barack Obama is going to do for poor Americans, not poor Mexicans.

Semantics. Point is, generalized statement in a hugely blanketed manner. Mind you, there are those who are just plain leeches, but you are making a huge generalization here.

[bstnsportsfan3]

man that movie was hilarious...but the resulting conversations...not so much!

[oldguystudent]

I await the next Sarah Silverman music video -- I'm #$@#ing Obama.

[FirefightnRick]

Another generalization. Poverty on a massive scale tends to be something caused, at the root, by something not really within the control of those dealing with it. What they can do is attempt to fix their problem (which they are responsible for entirely), but if the problem is at a level outside their control, say at the governmental level, what can really be done?

Why is it that so many ignore the fact that the greatest opportunities are here in the U.S. How is it that this is missed by so many? Flyer is not making a generalization, he's talking about those here in the U.S., in which Poverty doesn't exist on a "MASSIVE" scale which I'd expect to be the descriptive of a 3rd world nation, not the U.S. This is the land of opportunity. If your an abled body and are poor here, imagine what you would be in Mexico? You cannot help those who won't help themselves. I see it and live it every third day and Emmitt does too and every emergency worker in the nation does as well. You cannot help those who won't help themselves move on and improve their lives. You can help them temporarily but they won't change their ways for the most part. I've been picking up and helping the same countless hundreds of people on the east streets of Fort Worth for years now. They don't want help until they can't get something they do want on a temporary basis.

Last night as the rain storms hit we made an EMS call to an elderly woman's house. She was complaining of difficulty breathing and it was raining so damn hard we were soaked to the underwear by the time we got up to her door. Went inside and found her sitting in a recliner in the front room in which the ceiling was caving in and leaking profusely and she had buckets all over the place catching water as it came in through the ceiling, and she was having a hard time getting any air. We had been there before, several times and the last time I recalled was at the end of the summer and inside the house she had several full-grown young men living in the house, I suspected renting from her. I'd say about 4 or 5 of them, about 18 to 25 years old. I looked around the corner while we were waiting for the ambulance to see two young girls, I figured were this woman's grandchildren, but the young men were no where to be seen. So my Lt and I looked up into the ceiling right over where the woman had been sitting and her attic was coming in. Two of the main ceiling joists were broken from the weight overhead and had forced through the sheetrock. There were numerous things piled up in the attic, plus the air conditioner/heating system was right there over her as well, all just waiting to fall in and crush anyone below. We both let her know that she was just asking for to get crushed by remaining where she was. This lady is very proud and I could tell she's been having tough times and she's very sweet on top of all of that. So the situation finally just got to me and while I was carrying her out to the ambulance I finally just asked her, "Where's all the young men you had here the last time we were here, seems like it wouldn't take any of them much to at least help you get the stuff out of the attic and get that fixed?". She looked at me with the worst look of disgust and said, "I kicked their asses out. They wouldn't pay rent, wouldn't mow the grass, wouldn't do a damn thing, hell they wouldn't lift a finger much less help me with the roof, so I kicked them out,". And that's just a tiny bit of what I see. Give those same 4 or 5 guys a $5,000 check and you can only imagine what they would do with it. Damn sure wouldn't give any of it back to that woman who took them in and let them have a place to stay back in the summer, that's for sure.

Rick

Edited November 12, 2008 by FirefightnRick

[UNTflyer]

Precisely my point. You cannot grow the American economy from the bottom up, because our so-called "poor" are not down and out people who could make it if they were just given the opportunity. They have opportunities that most of the world envy -- free public education, low-cost community colleges, and modestly priced 4-year universities. Anybody in America can make a decent middle-class wage if they choose to put in a little effort.

We have government programs and grants and scholarships and loans, to where almost anybody could go to school and succeed if only they would make good choices. Since LBJ declared war on poverty, we've spent an estimated $5 trillion on programs to help the poor, yet the number of people in poverty has increased by 10 million since 1968. More giveaways is not the answer.

[MeanGreengdub]

Precisely my point. You cannot grow the American economy from the bottom up, because our so-called "poor" are not down and out people who could make it if they were just given the opportunity. They have opportunities that most of the world envy -- free public education, low-cost community colleges, and modestly priced 4-year universities. Anybody in America can make a decent middle-class wage if they choose to put in a little effort.

We have government programs and grants and scholarships and loans, to where almost anybody could go to school and succeed if only they would make good choices. Since LBJ declared war on poverty, we've spent an estimated $5 trillion on programs to help the poor, yet the number of people in poverty has increased by 10 million since 1968. More giveaways is not the answer.

I couldn't agree more.

[Green Guy Bass]

Precisely my point. You cannot grow the American economy from the bottom up, because our so-called "poor" are not down and out people who could make it if they were just given the opportunity. They have opportunities that most of the world envy -- free public education, low-cost community colleges, and modestly priced 4-year universities. Anybody in America can make a decent middle-class wage if they choose to put in a little effort.

We have government programs and grants and scholarships and loans, to where almost anybody could go to school and succeed if only they would make good choices. Since LBJ declared war on poverty, we've spent an estimated $5 trillion on programs to help the poor, yet the number of people in poverty has increased by 10 million since 1968. More giveaways is not the answer.

There is a difference between doing away with and scaling back certain programs. Some however must stay in place to keep us from becoming 3rd world in certain areas of our nation. There needs to be some balance, and open minded yet reformative leaders to fix things so we can have the right balance so we can move forward best we can. I do feel it is un-American to turn backs on our fellow citizens and neighbors. I do agree that we need more individual accountability in our society. IMO that goes back to parenting, but that is a differnet conversation.

[meangreendork]

More giveaways is not the answer.

Agreed, but that's not where I was going here. The real fix is really at an individual level, like most problems in this country. Other factors like media exposure, parenting, etc., have their own effects, but nothing works the same as someone's own character. People from the same poor family often have different outcomes, or kids in suburbia exposed to roughly the same media can have different reception to it, but it's an individual decision.

Too bad that too many think it's a great idea to become dependent on a system only designed to be a temporary safety net.

[UNTflyer]

There is a difference between doing away with and scaling back certain programs. Some however must stay in place to keep us from becoming 3rd world in certain areas of our nation. There needs to be some balance, and open minded yet reformative leaders to fix things so we can have the right balance so we can move forward best we can. I do feel it is un-American to turn backs on our fellow citizens and neighbors. I do agree that we need more individual accountability in our society. IMO that goes back to parenting, but that is a differnet conversation.

I agree.

[Coffee and TV]

Since LBJ declared war on poverty, we've spent an estimated $5 trillion on programs to help the poor, yet the number of people in poverty has increased by 10 million since 1968. More giveaways is not the answer.

Now show me that stat as a percentage and not a base number.

Oh nevermind, that would kill your argument.

You're right! Stupid poor people!

[Coffee and TV]

Wow.

Yeah when you read this you just realize how much of a lost cause he really is.