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FirefightnRick · November 9, 2008

Woman who killed daughter by cutting off her arms to be released from state mental hospital

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oldguystudent · November 9, 2008

The Andrea Yates case convinced me that a mother can do anything...anything at all, and be excused by the judicial system. I'm not surprised at all. Now if I, as a man, on the other hand, were to cast a chance glance at someone's kid in the park, they'd send CPS after my ass.

Rudy · November 9, 2008

I was at the Downtown Dallas Greyhound Station this summer when a man who was a little grungy, but most likely travelling, held a woman's stroller while she placed her baby back in the stroller. The lady completely flipped out, and started demanding for the man to move to another seat and accusing him of trying to steal her baby. The guy just sat there with this "what the hell" look. The lady was going overboard, and if you didnt agree with her, then you were part of it or she told you to "mind your own business".

The double standard will never cease to amaze me.

SilverEagle · November 9, 2008

The Andrea Yates case convinced me that a mother can do anything...anything at all, and be excused by the judicial system. I'm not surprised at all. Now if I, as a man, on the other hand, were to cast a chance glance at someone's kid in the park, they'd send CPS after my ass.

Assuming that by "chance glance" you mean a look that could be misunderstood as lustful by both the child and/or the mother, then CPS would only be called if you were the father or step-father. Otherwise the Police would be called.

But I think that CPS and the Police could find a better use of their time than trying to assess if a "chance glance" is really any sort of threat.

Edited November 9, 2008 by SilverEagle

oldguystudent · November 9, 2008

Assuming that by "chance glance" you mean a look that could be misunderstood as lustful by both the child and/or the mother, then CPS would only be called if you were the father or step-father. Otherwise the Police would be called.
But I think that CPS and the Police could find a better use of their time than trying to assess if a "chance glance" is really any sort of threat.

Complete and intentional hyperbole on my part. The point being that if a father systematically killed his 5 children in the bathtub or cut off his baby's limbs and let it bleed to death, said father wouldn't be walking free any time in the foreseeable future no matter what his mental state was deemed to be.

emmitt01 · November 9, 2008

Complete and intentional hyperbole on my part. The point being that if a father systematically killed his 5 children in the bathtub or cut off his baby's limbs and let it bleed to death, said father wouldn't be walking free any time in the foreseeable future no matter what his mental state was deemed to be.

That's because there isn't a post birth stress disorder for dads that is en vogue just yet. Just wait though...

Rudy · November 10, 2008

That's because there isn't a post birth stress disorder for dads that is en vogue just yet. Just wait though...

Can a father claim "Late Night Diaper Run Syndrome" or Post Tramatic Stress Disorder from having to bear with a pregnant wife?

ADLER · November 10, 2008

Yes, there was Dena Schlosser, Angela Yates, and also Dee Laney from Tyler that clobbered her children to death with large stones.

What did they all have in common? Fundamentalist Christianity, the latter two home schooling the children to keep them ignorant to the world.

In times of stress, all three mothers claimed they were being directed by God as they killed their children.

Is being brainwashed by religious extremists really excusable as insanity or just stupidity? To tell you the truth, I don't know.

Edited November 10, 2008 by ADLER

SilverEagle · November 10, 2008

Yes, there was Dena Schlosser, Angela Yates, and also Dee Laney from Tyler that clobbered her children to death with large stones.
What did they all have in common? Fundamentalist Christianity, the latter two home schooling the children to keep them ignorant to the world.
In times of stress, all three mothers claimed they were being directed by God as they killed their children.
Is being brainwashed by religious extremists really excusable as insanity or just stupidity? To tell you the truth, I don't know.

Throughout History organized religion, and specifically God, has been used as the (choose your favorite word) excuse/motivation/rationalization for starting wars and/or killing your fellow human being(s). I'm not sure if God only talks to crazy people, or if organized religion has the effect of driving a lot of people crazy.

The Fake Lonnie Finch · November 10, 2008

These are horrible and shows - again - why it doesn't matter whether or not a person is crazy, if they committed the crime o murder, they should be put away for life. Life in prison, or life in the asylum, or both, it doesn't matter. To me, the only place these people should be released out of psychiatric care is straight into prison.

Here's the thing I'll never understand...so you're telling me the person was "crazy" enough to kill one time, but that they're fine now and it won't happen again? To me, the fact that they've been crazy before is all the reason more to not let them back out.

Look, I've talked this stuff in circles with legal people, and believe me, there are people who dress up everyday in coats and ties, with degrees from Ivy League, Big Ten, you-name-it universities who absolutely believe letting these "crazy" people go is the right thing to do.

When I was in law school at Tulsa, the attorney who represented Timothy McViegh was like a hero to my idiot law professors. The guy honestly believed he could have gotten McViegh off if McVeigh would have just played ball. He wouldnot', thank God. But every bed-wetting liberal law professor up there kissed this criminal defense attorney's ass like you've never seen.

Anyway, it's a pathetic shame that this woman is being let loose into society again. But, dadgummit, those types of attorney are every-f'n-where you turn around. Liberal as the day is long, ready to take away your rights for being an average, working class American, but running like a dog to a T-bone steak to defend murders, terrorists, and other miscreants. It's just sickening.

The Fake Lonnie Finch · November 10, 2008

As to the whole Christianity thing, it's just wrong. Christ never directed people to kill babies. It's a cop out used by murderers.

But, here's the thing that gets me about all of this type of stuff, and throw in the post-partum as well - somehow, in all of this, the husbands skate away free and clear. Andrea Yates' husband made me sick. The woman told him what she was going to do, and that son of a bitch left those kids at home with her anyway! He's the one that had them living in a bus and following the strict fundamentalist bullcrap. And, yet, when the woman "snaps" he's walking free! In my eyes, he's as much to blame for those kids' deaths as she is.

Finally, on the "chance glance" thing - now that I've got two kids, I'm always careful. Not that I think my kids are being looked at, but because when you're doing kids things, there are always other people's kids around - at the park, at games, at various function. I go out of my way not to get near other people's kids. It scares me to death that some idiot could accuse me of anything like a "chance glance." I hate it. I know my kids have to be involved in things, but...like someone else posted, there truly is a double standard when it comes to men. Unfortunately, the way society is these days, you've got to look out for yourself as well as your kids.

Edited November 10, 2008 by The Fake Lonnie Finch

oldguystudent · November 10, 2008

Unfortunately, the way society is these days, you've got to look out for yourself as well as your kids.

I'm glad someone else understands. It's so ingrained in me that at one of my daughter's softball games (6yo at the time), her teammate got hit in the head with a bat. I ran over to her, but stopped short of actually touching her. I called her mom over instead. I was afraid of what wild accusations might fly had I touched her.

Another case, we were sitting on a restaurant patio that had a bounce house. I noticed a very young, probably two year old girl rolling off an edge about to fall more than three feet to the concrete below. Sure enough, she started to fall, and I was able to jump out of my chair with superhero speed and catch her mid fall. First thought that came to my head? Oh god! I'm touching this lady's kid! I ran over to the mom and got rid of that kid as quickly as possible and fled the scene.

Paranoia on my part? Perhaps. But it didn't come about randomly.