The unOfficial "McCain Sucks/Obama Sucks" Super Thread

[JayDub]

Make your final arguments. This thread will be closing soon...primarily because you guys are...

[FirefightnRick]

...$250K

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/sen...tax_increa.html

If Senator Obama is shooting straight with us, under his presidency I could look forward to paying no additional Federal taxes -- I might even get a break -- and as I struggle to support a family and pay for two boys in college, a reliable tax freeze is nearly as welcome as further tax cuts.

Thoughts?

Rick

Edited October 29, 2008 by FirefightnRick

[JayDub]

Barack and Joe would be so proud!

Rick

Rick, I'm not even sure what you're getting at with that statement, but I will assume that it was meant in a derogatory manner. Let the record show that I am talking about BOTH sides of the arguments, the left and the right, when I say the dead horse is being beaten.

I gave notice that the thread would be closed soon since I was accused, earlier this morning, of shutting down threads that don't when I don't like the political leanings of the topic (that person also decided to taunt me after explaining my position and is now enjoying a two-day "Board Vacation").

I'm all for discussion...even when I disagree with the arguments. Therefore, I am letting you know that, because the discussion of the original topic has ceased, this topic will close soon. If you have anything else to day regarding this topic, let it be said now.

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EDIT: 1656z

In compromise, I have merged the "Ah, God Bless Joe Biden", "Dolphins Up For Sale Due To Potential Increase In Cap Gains Tax", and "Senator Obama's Four Tax Increases For People Earning Under $250K" threads into one enormous politics thread. Please continue normal operations.

Edited October 29, 2008 by JayDub

[Green P1]

Why can't I stop staring at this?

Seriously, I just caught myself staring blankly at the damn thing for about 6 minutes....

It's now my screen saver.

Edited October 29, 2008 by Green P1

[JesseMartin]

That's rad.

[Eagle1855]

MANBEARPIG!

[MeanGreengdub]

[Green P1]

I think I origionally posted this sometime over the summer but in the spirit of equal time:

[meangreendork]

Gotta hit both parties here since this is all funny either way you see it, and since both are pretty uninformed.

Edited October 30, 2008 by meangreendork

[bstnsportsfan3]

i loved it...

I voted today in my first presidental election....and i vote McCain/Palin! i hope everyone does the same!

[SUMG]

I looked on the internet, but I can't find any videos that make fun of The Bull Moose Party.

Screw those bastards.

[MeanGreengdub]

i loved it...

I voted today in my first presidental election....and i vote McCain/Palin! i hope everyone does the same!

Good man.

[UNTflyer]

Spin vs Fact on Obama's 30-minute infomercial

THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."

THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.

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THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."

THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years - and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."

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THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "

THE FACTS: His proposals - the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more - cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged - although not in his commercial - that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."

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THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."

THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.

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THE SPIN: "We are currently spending $10 billion a month in Iraq, when they have a $79 billion surplus. It seems to me that if we're going to be strong at home as well as strong abroad that we've got to look at bringing that war to a close." These lines in the ad were taken from a debate with McCain.

THE FACTS: Obama was once and very often definitive about getting combat troops out in 16 months (At times during the primaries, he promised to do so within a year). More recently, without backing away explicitly from the 16-month withdrawal pledge, he has talked of the need for flexibility. In the primaries, it would have been a jarring departure for him to have said merely that "we've got to look at" ending the war. As for Iraq's surplus, it's true that Iraq could end up with a surplus that large, but that hasn't happened yet.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081030/D944H6R80.html

[UNTFan23]

[JayDub]

The topic "This Is Why You Vote Democrat..." is being merged with the Politics Superthread for ease of moderation and use...

Edited October 30, 2008 by JayDub

[MeanGreengdub]

The topic "This Is Why You Vote Democrat..." is being merged with the Politics Superthread for ease of moderation and use...

?? Where is it?

[JayDub]

?? Where is it?

Everything is in chronological order...not grouped by topic. It's all in here.

[FirefightnRick]

The topic "This Is Why You Vote Democrat..." is being merged with the Politics Superthread for ease of moderation and use...

I couldn't even find the original to see what the date of it was in order to chronilogically find it here. Any hints?

Rick

[MeanGreengdub]

I couldn't even find the original to see what the date of it was in order to chronilogically find it here. Any hints?

Rick

Here you go Rick. I think the Obama lovers got mad at me so they tried to hid it.

P.S. If it was chronological, it would have been near the top seeing as how I posted it MAYBE 2 hours ago.

Edited October 30, 2008 by MeanGreengdub

[untbowler]

Yahoo Article on Obama Ad

[UNTLifer]

Interesting:

A Man's Reason

[UNTflyer]

This is how I see this election:

[CMJ]

This is how I see this election:

That would be super cool from a drama standpoint. We haven't had the House decide the Presidency in nearly 200 years.

But no...Obama is gonna win this handily.

[UNTLifer]

I noticed that the approval rating for Congress the last two years is around 20%. Since Obama is preaching change, should we expect wholesale changes in Congress? Just curious since the Dems have the majority there.

[CMJ]

I noticed that the approval rating for Congress the last two years is around 20%. Since Obama is preaching change, should we expect wholesale changes in Congress? Just curious since the Dems have the majority there.

Democrats are expected the increase majorities in both houses.