Interesting Take On Voter Fraud Issues

[Quoner]

http://www.slate.com/id/2202428/

[Guest JohnDenver]

http://www.slate.com/id/2202428/

Just more liberal media garbage. We all know that huey, duey and luey will show up to vote.

[KRAM1]

ACORN .... Front group for voter fraud and local grass roots coersion ... Nice, very nice... your tax dollars at work ... with many more to flow their way should Mr. Obama get elected.

Just another "enlightened" group trying to "help" democracy move forward ... as long as they can stuff the ballot boxes and extort money for their causes!

[Quoner]

ACORN .... Front group for voter fraud and local grass roots coersion ... Nice, very nice... your tax dollars at work ... with many more to flow their way should Mr. Obama get elected.

Just another "enlightened" group trying to "help" democracy move forward ... as long as they can stuff the ballot boxes and extort money for their causes!

http://www.i-am-outraged.com/

[FirefightnRick]

Hell, had I known that VOTER FRAUD was going to be of such little concern around here I would have spent all last week in Denton to make sure the referendum pass by a mere 32,000, give or take a few.

Rick

[KRAM1]

Dems are only concerned about voter fraud if they think it is coming from the Republican side. Fraud isn't the issue...with the Libs it's who is doing the voter fraud. ACORN...no problem.....ain't politics great?

[Quoner]

Hell, had I known that VOTER FRAUD was going to be of such little concern around here I would have spent all last week in Denton to make sure the referendum pass by a mere 32,000, give or take a few.

Rick

I like that I can post an article without any commentary thinking people might talk about it. I guess we assume every link has an implied agenda, but I wanted to see someone discuss the article's point, not blow more hot air.

I've still yet to make up my mind in this election and am leaning towards what will most likely be the losing side, but the complete inability to have a real discussion anymore about any of these issues is just god awful.

Yes - voter fraud is horrible but the point of the article that interested me is that this is being used as a scare tactic and it may not be a reasonable threat because of the other checks in the system. i'm interested in knowing if this is a credible threat or a desperate and perhaps slightly underhanded last gasp by the GOP in an election and race that has largely disappointed me after I stupidly expected more from both sides.

I guess trying to get that here was like pissing on a rose and expecting it to grow.

[Eagle1855]

I guess trying to get that here was like pissing on a rose and expecting it to grow.

My friend used to pee off his back porch but it killed all the grass so he stopped doing it though Im not sure if it died because of that or if it was something else that caused it and to tell you the truth so much time has passed now I might be wrong about it killing the grass in the first place like maybe it made it grow instead.

Anyways, I love Slate and I thought the article was interesting. I tend to agree with you. I don't know why I hadn't thought about whether it really matters or not. There are certainly other checks in place that would make it all but impossible to "rig" an election at that level. This entire McCain campaign seems to have been full of scare tactics (whether legitimate or otherwise) which I think is "diss"appointing.

Edited October 20, 2008 by Eagle1855

[Guest JohnDenver]

I like that I can post an article without any commentary thinking people might talk about it.

Not being snarky, well, kind of, but continue... Perhaps you need to put at the top of your posts that you are being serious, not bitterly sarcastic, and that you want some dialogue about the topic.

Your Quoner identity has a mysterious effect of making everyone want to be a yuk monkey.

My take? I agree with the slate article. If anything, you have ACORN regional chapters that want to justify their existence and push for head count on registration attempts (knowing that they fake names aren't going to vote anyhow).

Doesn't mean ACORN doesn't fill a need. Rock-the-Vote and similar orgs surely have the same problem. Hell, in the free market world of credit card applications, low paid campus reps will have people filling out credit applications with bunk information so people can get the laundry baskets. They do it knowing that the app will fail, and Mickey Mouse will NOT get another credit card.

ACORN is much ado about nothing. It is grasping at straws for a flailing campaign. The GOP has done a good job of turning fear into votes... seems that some undecided people have finally caught on and aren't being affected like previous elections.

I am not a die-hard Democrat. I was on the fence about McCain, regarding age, viability, temperament, etc. Then he picked Sarah America and it pushed me over the fence. I can see why people don't want Obama as president, but it is a lot of fear and not enough valid reasons.

In reality, McCain and Obama don't say too many things different, they just say them differently. Medicine reform won't happen anytime soon, so I shelve my feelings on that. If during the Clinton years, with a Democrat congress/senate and a great economy and budget surplus, they couldn't push through reform... it isn't happening now.

[FirefightnRick]

I like that I can post an article without any commentary thinking people might talk about it. I guess we assume every link has an implied agenda, but I wanted to see someone discuss the article's point, not blow more hot air.

Oh, you meant to make a serious post and expect everyone else to stay on topic?

Pot and a Kettle argueing about something or other?

Rick

[JayDub]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGiUq4RDCSE

Also...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtx97MR08Cg

Edited October 21, 2008 by JayDub

[Quoner]

Oh, you meant to make a serious post and expect everyone else to stay on topic?

Pot and a Kettle argueing about something or other?

Rick

I'm just laying the groundwork for my dream of having every thread on the board reference ACORN.

[untbowler]

Voters are inherently stupid and apathetic. Having worked in the Denton county Elections office for 3 years, I ran across way to many clueless idiots who hadno idea how to fill out a simple voter card, must less draw a straight line on a ballot in order to vote.

this election will provide some much needed comic relief due to the nutballs on both sides of the fence.

[greenminer]

Yuk Monkey!!!

[Coffee and TV]

[FirefightnRick]

I wonder who's facing more time in jail?

Rick

[Coffee and TV]

I wonder who's facing more time in jail?

Rick

Wonder which one has pleaded guilty yet.

[FirefightnRick]

Wonder which one has pleaded guilty yet.

Certainly not Democrat State Rep. Michael Kernell of Memphis' son David, at least not for now. He's gonna use daddy's money and influence and fight this as far as he can at the taxpayer's expense do doubt.

Rick

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

ACORN .... Front group for voter fraud and local grass roots coersion ... Nice, very nice... your tax dollars at work ... with many more to flow their way should Mr. Obama get elected.

Just another "enlightened" group trying to "help" democracy move forward ... as long as they can stuff the ballot boxes and extort money for their causes!

---According to some sources including the highly Republican slanted paper in Midland... a lot of these phoney names and registrations are done by people who are trying to "clog up" the system so bad that voter registration offices will not have time to process all of the applications of legitimate voters of college students *and others. Oddly these guys that do this usually support the opposite name you mentioned and are trying to lower the voting strength of young voters that tend to support him..

---By law, any group that collects voter registration forms must turn all of them (even bogus ones) into the voter registrations office. The voter registration office then has to check each one before granting a voting certificate. The law is this way to prevent groups from discarding names that they think may be unfavorable to their view or to presvent discrimination. Often the registration groups separate the forms into 2-3 piles... probably valid, probably not valid and really bad... to help out the registration offices. I work elections.

---Stuffing ballot boxes (as you put it) should be very difficult if the voter registration office does its job properly.

*it was done at the campus I work in an attempt to get young voters more interested... I know of no problems with it.

****Learn facts...... not crazy email rumors.

Edited October 27, 2008 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[FirefightnRick]

****Learn facts...... not crazy email rumors.

Group’s(ACORN) Tally of New Voters Was Vastly Overstated

Mr. Kettenring said Acorn intended to change the language on its Web site to reflect that 400,000 of the 1.3 million registration submissions would likely be rejected by election officials, but said the group did not intend to be misleading

And yes, it mentions a group in Calififornia that has been investigated for doing the same thing for the Republicans. Doesn't make it right for them to do it either, but obviously no where near to the level of having offices in 10 or more states being raided and documents being seized.

Rick

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

Group’s(ACORN) Tally of New Voters Was Vastly Overstated

And yes, it mentions a group in Calififornia that has been investigated for doing the same thing for the Republicans. Doesn't make it right for them to do it either, but obviously no where near to the level of having offices in 10 or more states being raided and documents being seized.

Rick

---No doubt that is true... but I wasn't implying that only ONE party was guilty of TRYING to do unethical things as some were.. It is up to the local voter registration boards to throw these out. It is a lot tougher in Texas to pull that off than in some states because of the way our system works...

---The ones mentioned in the local paper were not in California but the midwest.

Edited October 27, 2008 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66