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ADLER · October 14, 2008

Students at Texas State University, on which the NT SGA modeled much of its ballot and initiative, pay $10 per semester credit hour for athletics fees. The students there voted in February to increase athletics fees by $2 every year for the next five years, so that they will end up paying $20 per semester credit hour in 2013, Texas State University spokesman Mark Hendricks said.
Students at the University of Houston, however, don't pay any student service fees for their athletics department. Instead, they only pay to use a recreation center, University of Houston officials said.
Students at the University of Texas at San Antonio pay up to $240 per semester for athletics fees.

OK, now for the facts: for the 2004-2005 the University of Houston provided $12,437,318.00 in institutional support to it's athletic programs. Of it's $22,648,933.00 budget that was reported to the NCAA, $8,900,000.00 was in direct institutional support through student service fees and $3,537,318 was through student athletic fees.

For Houston's 32,000 students in 2004-2005, their contribution to athletics per student was an average of $388.66 for the year.

And that was 2004-2005. Their budget has grown since then.

filmerj · October 14, 2008

NT Daily
OK, now for the facts: for the 2004-2005 the University of Houston provided $12,437,318.00 in institutional support to it's athletic programs. Of it's $22,648,933.00 budget that was reported to the NCAA, $8,900,000.00 was in direct institutional support through student service fees and $3,537,318 was through student athletic fees.
For Houston's 32,000 students in 2004-2005, their contribution to athletics per student was an average of $388.66 for the year.
And that was 2004-2005. Their budget has grown since then.

Why don't you post it on the nt daily comments section? So they realize how wrong they are.

ADLER · October 14, 2008

Oh, just in case the Daily is as challenged at math as they are at research, the 2004-2005 per student athletics contribution at Houston is still 30% higher than the maximum in the proposed referendum for North Texas for the 2011-2012 school year.

Oh, and another thing, the University of Houston didn't have to pay for it's stadium either, it was built with city taxes.

Edited October 14, 2008 by ADLER

DeepGreen · October 14, 2008

Oh, and another thing, the University of Houston didn't have to pay for it's stadium either, it was built with city taxes.

Huh? :blink: WTF is up with that? I thought that stuff was not allowed.

Eagle1855 · October 14, 2008

Huh? WTF is up with that? I thought that stuff was not allowed.

It was originally a public school stadium for HISD.

filmerj · October 14, 2008

http://www.ntdaily.com/home/index.cfm?even...2b-c37e0730fb51

If you were to read every op ed piece in the daily and the daily itself, one would think no one on the campus wants the fee.

CaribbeanGreen · October 14, 2008

It's a very large, vocal group that wants the NO side to win. I hesitate to say just how big, because they're by FAR the most vocal and "showy" in their "beliefs"... i use quotes there because they all seem to have the same beliefs, adopted, quite simply, because it makes them feel "cool".

I don't think the majority of the YES crowd is as showy and vocal. Just my opinion.

As for the NOs, my girlfriend and I call a central block of them (mockingly) the "free thinkers".... standard issue items include black plastic-rim glasses, Mac laptop, eco-friendly items somehow in plain view, car featuring at least one (or possibly both if you hit the jackpot) Apple and Obama sticker, or possibly some snarky "cause" sticker or a reminder to "Eat Local". Anything relating to Austin or Anti-Religion (especially protestantism - not acceptable to bash trendy eastern religions) is also very acceptable. They revel in being anti-establishment, think they're unique & smarter than neanderthal sports fan, yet they all believe the same thing and look the same way.

Look, I'm not saying all NO voters feel this way - not at all. But among this large, visible group at NT, there ain't many yesses... and they're loud about it.

Oh, and 9 times out of 10, you'll never see them on this campus again after graduation, much less expect a check.

Green Mean · October 14, 2008

It was originally a public school stadium for HISD.

Just out of curiosity but is that the reason they are referred to as Cougar High to many people around the Houston area?

JayDub · October 14, 2008

standard issue items include black plastic-rim glasses, Mac laptop, eco-friendly items somehow in plain view, car featuring at least one (or possibly both if you hit the jackpot) Apple and Obama sticker, or possibly some snarky "cause" sticker or a reminder to "Eat Local". Anything relating to Austin or Anti-Religion (especially protestantism - not acceptable to bash trendy eastern religions) is also very acceptable. They revel in being anti-establishment, think they're unique & smarter than neanderthal sports fan, yet they all believe the same thing and look the same way.
Look, I'm not saying all NO voters feel this way - not at all. But among this large, visible group at NT, there ain't many yesses... and they're loud about it.
Oh, and 9 times out of 10, you'll never see them on this campus again after graduation, much less expect a check.

Black plastic-rim glasses - Check.

Mac laptop - currently an HP, but switching to Mac when she becomes like Fouts and reaches the end of her useful life

Obama sticker on my car - Check

Anti-Religion - Very...including the trendy eastern ones

Congrats...you just described me.

CaribbeanGreen · October 14, 2008

Black plastic-rim glasses - Check.
Mac laptop - currently an HP, but switching to Mac when she becomes like Fouts and reaches the end of her useful life
Obama sticker on my car - Check
Anti-Religion - Very...including the trendy eastern ones
Congrats...you just described me.

That's why I said not all. You're the rare YES in that group. All of those things on their own -- fine. I just giggle that it's become a uniform.... and yeah, safe bit of profiling that they're 90%+ NO.

Censored by Laurie · October 14, 2008

As for the NOs, my girlfriend and I call a central block of them (mockingly) the "free thinkers".... standard issue items include black plastic-rim glasses, Mac laptop, eco-friendly items somehow in plain view, car featuring at least one (or possibly both if you hit the jackpot) Apple and Obama sticker, or possibly some snarky "cause" sticker or a reminder to "Eat Local". Anything relating to Austin or Anti-Religion (especially protestantism - not acceptable to bash trendy eastern religions) is also very acceptable. They revel in being anti-establishment, think they're unique & smarter than neanderthal sports fan, yet they all believe the same thing and look the same way.

Can we please put this kind of discussion to bed? CG...you're better than this.

Eagle1855 · October 14, 2008

Just out of curiosity but is that the reason they are referred to as Cougar High to many people around the Houston area?

It might have started there, but I imagine it's probably more so because it is viewed (jokingly) by other schools as a mere extension of HS.

meangreendork · October 14, 2008

Oh, and 9 times out of 10, you'll never see them on this campus again after graduation, much less expect a check.

Chill out, pal. If the rest of your comment were a public statement, you'd probably lose YES votes with that. I'm planning to vote Obama, don't much like organized religion, mainly since the major religions are particularly in your face and have started one major conflict or another (I don't remember Buddhism starting a war),

I would get a Mac, but I'm cheap and can get the same performance out of a PC, though I don't wear glasses.

Aside from the other generalizations, I'm with this one. It's also the same people who are really just looking out for themselves, even when many of them won't even be here to be charged that amount of money for the fee. The same people voting "No" would also probably tell you they're all about what's best for other people. In this case, a "Yes" vote benefits all the student athletes, the university image, and the students as a whole.

Edited October 14, 2008 by meangreendork

JayDub · October 14, 2008

That's why I said not all. You're the rare YES in that group. All of those things on their own -- fine. I just giggle that it's become a uniform.... and yeah, safe bit of profiling that they're 90%+ NO.

I was just kidding with ya...

CaribbeanGreen · October 14, 2008

Can we please put this kind of discussion to bed? CG...you're better than this.

Oh, I'm worse. Much, much worse.

I'm not indicting these folks personally. Not at all. I have no problem if anyone does ANY of the above things.... well, except for the Mac sticker, but that's another story.... I just find it funny that there's such a standard issue uniform with certain groups on campus, and I get driven bonkers by people who use causes as a trendy social tool and not because it's what they really believe or are informed about, but beacuse it's "cool" to believe.... all while they scream "individuality!"

I have any friends who fit ALL of the above categories. I've just been forced to hear a LOT of strong NO drivel from these folks lately. A LOT.

Yeah, it may be profiling to presume how certain groups will generally vote on an issue... but that doesn't mean it ain't accurate. Trust me, on this vote, "Eat Local" guy (who wants you to KNOW he eats local - just look at his shirt!) is NOT our friend.

What can I say -- I'm stressed right now. Didn't mean to offend anyone. I have no problem with any of the above beliefs, fashion choices, or desperate needs for attention -- I'm just talking about THIS VOTE - That's it.

As for the wars based on religion stuff, I could spend the next hour responding to that (just got out of a Sociology of Religion midterm), but then the ladies wouldn't keep their hands off me, so I'll hold off.... Love you all. Vote Yes please.

CaribbeanGreen · October 14, 2008

I was just kidding with ya...

Whew... good deal. Maybe we can go a thrift store sometime.

untgirl04 · October 14, 2008

Chill out, pal. If the rest of your comment were a public statement, you'd probably lose YES votes with that. I'm planning to vote Obama, don't much like organized religion, mainly since the major religions are particularly in your face and have started one major conflict or another (I don't remember Buddhism starting a war),
I would get a Mac, but I'm cheap and can get the same performance out of a PC, though I don't wear glasses.
Aside from the other generalizations, I'm with this one. It's also the same people who are really just looking out for themselves, even when many of them won't even be here to be charged that amount of money for the fee. The same people voting "No" would also probably tell you they're all about what's best for other people. In this case, a "Yes" vote benefits all the student athletes, the university image, and the students as a whole.

Then you're not following current events...

About Myanmar They're considered a 'Millitant Buddhist' regime.

And while I guess this is not technically a war, I'd say it's pretty bad: Amnesty International Report 2008

Green P1 · October 14, 2008

I'm not indicting these folks personally. Not at all. I have no problem if anyone does ANY of the above things.... well, except for the Mac sticker, but that's another story.... I just find it funny that there's such a standard issue uniform with certain groups on campus, and I get driven bonkers by people who use causes as a trendy social tool and not because it's what they really believe or are informed about, but beacuse it's "cool" to believe.... all while they scream "individuality!"
I have any friends who fit ALL of the above categories. I've just been forced to hear a LOT of strong NO drivel from these folks lately. A LOT.
What can I say -- I'm stressed right now. Didn't mean to offend anyone. I have no problem with any of the above beliefs, fashion choices, or desperate needs for attention -- I'm just talking about THIS VOTE - That's it.

Don't let them back you down.

Black rim glasses? As far as I'm concerned anyone that wears glasses is the enemy....... unless they finally get around to perfecting those glasses that correct colorblindness.

Apple anything? Worthless.

Obama stickers? Isn't that guy a radical Muslim? Radical Muslims hate sports and freedom.

Anti-Religion? If more people in this world loved football half as much as Jesus, Fouts would have been replaced long ago. Just look at his zeal for sport.....

Edited October 14, 2008 by Green P1

CaribbeanGreen · October 14, 2008

Don't let them back you down.
Black rim glasses? As far as I'm concerned anyone that wears glasses is the enemy....... unless they finally get around to perfecting those glasses that correct colorblindness.
Apple anything? Worthless.
Obama stickers? Isn't that guy a radical Muslim? Radical Muslims hate sports and freedom.
Anti-Religion? If more people in this world loved football half as much as Jesus, Fouts would have been replaced long ago. Just look at his zeal for sport.....

Well played.

Jesus couldn't help our secondary, though.