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What else are they gong to say? I let me just say I graduated from an arts program, and they are important, but you never here someone say oh remember that sculpture, it's by a unt art grad, here's millions of dollars art students. Roll around in all this money. It's just sad that we are recognized nationally as the worst team in america.

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This is what you get when you do not have your facts straight. One thing that stood out was the cost to fix Fouts. Oh, it does not take a rocket scientist to see Fouts needs to be fixed, but the answer should have been "we had xyz Construction do an estimate and the cost would be $$$$". Another example of how there is no real message as it were concerning the reasons for this stadium.

However this is correct: This is what athletics director Rick Villarreal told Joe Carter of KNTU-FM, 88.1, on Tuesday in regard to the proposal: "We keep saying our football program sucks, well it does. ... But the reality is we're not going to get any better until we make changes and support the program."

Oh, excuse me, did not mean to be negative.

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Am I the only one who does not like the idea of having online voting. It just seems too easy to point and click rather than get off of your butt and leave your room to go vote. I think only the most passionate would get out, which would leave the apathetic in their rooms playing Halo or whatever.

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You see the kind of snooty element (at least at the NT Daily) we're dealing with here when they call the football team "inconsequential." Wonder what it's like to have the world by the ass as a high school football player, then play for the only college in Texas where your student peers basically view you as socially inferior, despite your best efforts to represent their school. UNT: Where Football Is Subhuman.

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What would you have expected to come from the NT Daily? This is just another example of the press at all levels in today's world. Right or wrong it's what we have...reporters and papers publishing what they "think" instead of what the reality of a situation really is. IT's just one of many opinions...leave it at that. Sad that UNT is in such a position. Absolutely no forward thinking from so many of its student body, administration and staff. Good gosh!

Oh, by the way...I believe the vote will pass in spite of such "opinion" columns.

GO MEAN GREEN...Nice reply "Rick"!

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wait... are you telling me that members of the press have a liberal slant? That there are people at North Texas that are anti-athletics? This is shocking news.

What does being pro- or anti-athletics have to do with being liberal? I'm liberal, and when I was editor of The Daily in the late '80s we were huge supporters of football.

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I posted on comment on The Daily in response to that article:

Rogers Cadenhead

posted 10/09/08 @ 1:22 PM CST

As a UNT alumnus and former Daily editor, I'm disappointed that the current staff of the newspaper didn't endorse the athletic fee referendum.

Fouts Field is an eyesore that detracts from the university. It's the fifth-oldest building on campus, the conditions inside are abysmal, the viewing experience is bad because of the infield track, and the electrical system is so inadequate that 19 portable generators are required to host games there. It's amazing that the Mean Green were able to win four conference championships and one bowl game while playing at Fouts.

The question here isn't really *if* UNT needs a new stadium, it's *when* UNT will get one. The current proposal asks less of students to support athletics than any other Texas school with a Football Bowl Subdivision program. The stadium will bring other events to Denton in addition to football, and it will enable the athletic program to attract more corporate support, more televised games, and more alumni donors.

In the 17 years since I graduated, I've been amazed upon my return visits by the number of new buildings that have sprung up on campus. The Murchison Performing Arts Center, in particular, should be a point of pride for everyone associated with UNT.

The stadium has the potential to be just as important to the future of the university. I hope current students look hard at the merits of the athletic fee, because I think they'll conclude as I did that this is a fair way to share the cost of the stadium between students, alumni, donors and corporate support. Football-loving alumni like myself are chomping at the bit to get this thing built. We just can't do it on our own.

One thing you come to realize after leaving UNT, if you care about the school, is that students have a short opportunity to make their mark and leave their alma mater better than when they arrived. I think this stadium is a chance for current students to do that, and I hope that after you've looked at the issue, you ultimately agree.

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I posted as well.

"Let us be clear." --- There is no, "Us" because you, alone, do not represent the sentiments of the student body.

"But we don't believe students should share the burden for its construction in the middle of an economic crisis that will make paying the bills vastly more difficult for families and young people across the nation." --- The fee roughly adds to about $70/semester. The university is looking at other fees to cut out to make that $70 easier to pay. $70 is also what an average student spends per month having lunch at the campus chat, if not more.

"And does anyone really think part of the $700 billion bailout passed by Congress will go to students who rely on financial aid?" --- No, so this statement is pretty much irrelevant to the situation at hand.

"Let's add in rising gas and grocery prices. Let's remember the tuition increases this year and the year before that." --- Again, $70/semester. I was a broke-ass college kid too, but I was always able to find $50 for a copy of NCAA Football 2009 and $20 for beer I didn't need to buy.

"Villarreal initially claimed that Fouts Field has fallen into such abysmal disrepair that it would cost more to fix it than to tear it down and build a state-of-the-art replacement." --- Assessment or not, generally speaking, the cost to renovate a building often outweighs the cost of building it from scratch. In the case of Fouts, it's in very horrible shape now, and many of the repairs that would have to be done are in the structure of the stadium itself. That means the actual framework, basic energy sources, and the foundation of Fouts. In order to renovate it, it would almost have be demolished.

"Villarreal argues we demean the perception of our school by bringing presidents from other universities to a shoddy-looking Fouts Field." --- Yes, it's a sad sight to see Fouts when the rest of the UNT campus has new dorms and academic buildings sprouting up. UNT's campus is wonderful to look at until you see Fouts.

"Until football pays for itself, no stadium." --- Very few football programs, actually, very few athletics departments pay for themselves. Of those that do, and in many other cases, football is THE biggest revenue generator for athletics departments. Besides, hamstring-cutting the one part of UNT athletics that has the greatest potential to bring in money can potentially hurt all of the other athletics programs.

Ed. Do your research, and think this through. The stadium is something that UNT does need in order to be seen as one of the best schools in the state. Academically, we're one of the best, now all we need to do is make athletics stronger.

- UNT Alumni, UNT's College of Visual Arts and Design Alumni -

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What does being pro- or anti-athletics have to do with being liberal? I'm liberal, and when I was editor of The Daily in the late '80s we were huge supporters of football.

Where did I say liberals were anti-athletics? I said I was shocked that members of the press were liberal and then separately that I was shocked that there were people at NT that were anti-athletics. Both sarcastically of course.

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