Experts - How Much Do They Care About Non B C S Teams ?

[MeanGreen61]

They admit it, not much.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/769011.html

[Green Mean]

They admit it, not much.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/769011.html

There are some exceptions afcourse but what would make experts believe that they should care about Non-BCS teams?

[Daddy Dumpsalot]

Awesome. Just awesome.

Just a sad reminder as to what the rest of the nation thinks about the Sun-Belt.

[GoMeanGreen1999]

This is no shock to me. I have said for years that most of the bigger conferences and people that cover them, just are not interested in the Belt and lower conferences unless of course they need a win against one of the schools. But put yourself in their shoes. Let's suppose UNT was in the Big 12 and had been for years either coming from the SWC or being a part of the Big 8 - would you really care about the "lesser" conference teams? Seriously?

[Arkstfan]

Just a sad reminder as to what the rest of the nation thinks about the Sun-Belt.

And MAC

And WAC

And CUSA

And MWC

[untjim1995]

And MAC

And WAC

And CUSA

And MWC

IF so, why did the guy say, "except for the Sun Belt"?

[Arkstfan]

IF so, why did the guy say, "except for the Sun Belt"?

Trying reading ALL of the "experts" not just the one who suits you.

[GreenAlums]

Trying reading ALL of the "experts" not just the one who suits you.

I'm with your Arkstfan, it's pretty clear they don't care much about anybody else but BCS. I hope this makes the league officials in the non-BCS conferences fighting mad.

[FirefightnRick]

Outside of App states win over Michigan I can't think of a better couple of wins that Troy whipping the snot out of Oklahoma State and LaMo beating Bama. How doesn't neither give the belt any consideration with these people? In fact, the Troy game was a national televised game and the announcers were spreading the love concerning Troy all night long, including during a telephone interview with Herbstreet? It's gonna take a Marshall, Tulane, Bowling Green or Boise State type of year to wake some of these people up I'm afraid. And it can happen.

Rick

[GoMeanGreen1999]

Outside of App states win over Michigan I can't think of a better couple of wins that Troy whipping the snot out of Oklahoma State and LaMo beating Bama. How doesn't neither give the belt any consideration with these people? In fact, the Troy game was a national televised game and the announcers were spreading the love concerning Troy all night long, including during a telephone interview with Herbstreet? It's gonna take a Marshall, Tulane, Bowling Green or Boise State type of year to wake some of these people up I'm afraid. And it can happen.

Rick

In the grand scheme of things, they probably don't much care about any of those teams. I am telling you, they only care about the Big 6 conferences. I will ask it again, if we were in the Big 12, would we really care about the smaller conferences? Seriously? In fact, if we were in the Big 12, and a playoff appeared to be possible very soon, would we being in the Big 12, really want a Sun Belt conference winner to be eligible for the playoff - not saying that is right or wrong. I sure wouldn't in that situation. Assuming we were in the Big 12 I would want to leave that spot open for an at large team possibly us. Looking at it from where we are, I want our conference to get respect, but I can also see the other argument of it too.

[Eagle1855]

Just a sad reminder as to what the rest of the nation thinks about the Sun-Belt.

Just to pile on, the sports stations in Houston dog on the Sun Belt all the time. They aren't even giving us a chance against Rice, which is find to be both laughable and embarrassing. I hardly think this is a phenomenon that is exclusive to Houston...

Bowl tie-ins, relatively newness of the league in it's current form, and the obscure directional schools all contribute to the sub-par perception. I'd never even heard of ULL, MTSU, FIU, or FAU until we were in a conference with them.

You gotta win and you gotta be a consistent winner. Then people will take note.

Oh god I cant believe I just got sucked into conference talk. For shame.

[Quoner]

You gotta win and you gotta be a consistent winner. Then people will take note.

True - but in the meantime, how do you think we could better market our program as it is now? Do you like posters? Billboards? Hobos wearing sandwich boards for a vial of blow?

[forevereagle]

Hobos wearing sandwich boards for a vial of blow?

Now that is solid advertising! Who wouldn't listen to a hobo with a sandwhich board? As long as it doesn't say "The End is Near."

[untbowler]

True - but in the meantime, how do you think we could better market our program as it is now? Do you like posters? Billboards? Hobos wearing sandwich boards for a vial of blow?

Just as long as they do not pull a John McClain, Simon says, thank god he had a gun and nice pawn shop owner nearby.

[GreenAlums]

Just as long as they do not pull a John McClain, Simon says, thank god he had a gun and nice pawn shop owner nearby.

????????? but OK!

[Eagle1855]

True - but in the meantime, how do you think we could better market our program as it is now? Do you like posters? Billboards? Hobos wearing sandwich boards for a vial of blow?

I think maybe midgets and monkeys are the way to go. It's fool-proof advertising. I'll entertain any product that can incorporate either into their campaign. Double bonus if you can get BOTH.

[KRAM1]

Just more carp that doesn't mean a thing. I know, I know...it is important what the "talking heads" think, but on a beautiful fall Saturday when I am sitting at Fouts watching the Mean green play, I could CARE LESS what the "big time" media think about the Sun Belt. We ARE in the Sun belt, let me be the first to inform you of that, and until we are not in the Sun belt...or until the Sun belt gets some respect nationally...UNT will just have to go about being the best it can be in the Sun belt Conference. UNT cannot do much about what the "talking heads" think, but UNT CAN do something about winning more games. And that, Mean Green Nation members, will do all so much good for UNT. I can only worry about what UNT CAN control...what UNT can't control is out of my "care zone".

The argument about BCS vs non-BCS schools and conferences will go on forever whether UNT is part of the Sun Belt or not and whether UNT becomes the next App. St. or Boise State or not...can't control or worry about that. Let UNT start winning again with the exciting brand of football coach Dodge, his staff and players are giving us these days and the "chips" will fall in the right direction for the Mean Green faithful. So, what can we all do? We CAN get our rear ends in the seats at every home game, and we can bring friends with us.

See you at Fouts! GO MEAN GREEN.....

[Quoner]

I think maybe midgets and monkeys are the way to go. It's fool-proof advertising. I'll entertain any product that can incorporate either into their campaign. Double bonus if you can get BOTH.

What if I solved half your problem and got the school a new men's soccer team already wearing green that would generate some press?

[Eagle1855]

What if I solved half your problem and got the school a new men's soccer team already wearing green that would generate some press?

I'd pay really good money to watch that in person. Not even gonna lie. Well done.

[KRAM1]

WOW! Someone on this board is talking about bringing men's soccer back to UNT! I LIKE IT! I think the team photo on the the bpard here should be used in all advertising for the season and in all efforts to raise funds for the new stadium. Man, can't lose with those guys! And, what sexy uniforms! UNT could charge a good price to watch those guys play...I'm there for sure! GREAT...JUST GREATNESS! You get my vote for best post today!

[GoMeanGreen1999]

What if I solved half your problem and got the school a new men's soccer team already wearing green that would generate some press?

They even have the right color of green on - sign them up.

[Arkstfan]

It takes years to become an overnight success.

As some or most of you may know a good friend of mine is on the Independence Bowl committee. The Independence Bowl was last pick of the SEC last year (thanks to Birmingham they pick next to last this year). The SEC teams are obligated to buy nearly 15,000 tickets for the game and its pretty common for them to sell their full allotment without having to run any bulk deals.

When you have enough fans that you can sell 15,000 tickets a few hundred miles from campus with ease... you are a force. You have value to the bowls and to television that the rest of us dream of and make more off the sale of home football tickets than most non-BCS schools spend on their entire athletic department.

No one other than BYU is consistently in that range in fan support and yet they are roundly hated by bowl communities because their fans don't get drunk and open their wallets.

It is about dollars when dealing with the media. They can attract the attention of more readers/viewers with a piece on Penn State or UCLA than by covering every MAC school or WAC school in the same time or space.

But what if you are a Penn State or UCLA fan? I-AA Coastal Carolina is an annoyance tune-up game. Oregon State is relevant to BCS hopes as is Syracuse. If Temple weren't in-state, just another annoyance tune-up game.

There aren't many knowledge football fans out in the world. Most sort of know about what concerns them, which is their favorite team. I've got a friend who is supposedly a big Razorback fan but he literally will not attend a non-conference game that isn't televised because... "it must not be an important game".

That's what we are up against. There are people who simply are not and will not be interested in our schools because so few others are. If there aren't 50,000+ in the stands and multiple television broadcasts they conclude it is small-time and unimportant. The funny thing is the very people who scorn a Randy Moss when he is in college embrace him (or at least his talent) when it is verified by the NFL. A former AD at Central Arkansas says that if half the people who claimed to have watched Scottie Pippen play basketball there had actually come to games they would have needed a much bigger gym.

[GreenAlums]

It takes years to become an overnight success.

I thought it only took overnight??

Love it!

[GoMeanGreen1999]

I've got a friend who is supposedly a big Razorback fan but he literally will not attend a non-conference game that isn't televised because... "it must not be an important game".

And that works up there, because there are litterally hundreds that will buy his tickets for those games he is not willing to attend. It's a whole different enviornment. I never go up there with tickets. I just buy them from someone like him.

[Arkstfan]

I thought it only took overnight??

Love it!

I know, I know.

But those of us on the fringes are usually talking about the hot rising schools before the media ever notices they are any good.