Worst Rap Sheet I Have Ever Seen.

[untbowler]

Have never seen such a long and violent rap sheet with no convictions.

Just brutal. From Denton RC.

Denton County's Finest

[FirefightnRick]

A perfect example for the need of the death penalty. Your never going to change this person and we don't want to continue to pay for him to continue breathing our air.

Rick

[Quoner]

A perfect example for the need of the death penalty. Your never going to change this person and we don't want to continue to pay for him to continue breathing our air.

Rick

From a 2000 article in the Palm Beach Post now housed here: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?&did=2602

What price for vengeance on society's worst killers?

In Florida, try $ 51 million a year.

That, according to a Palm Beach Post estimate, is how much Florida spends each year to enforce the death penalty - above and beyond what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole.

And at the rate at which Florida is executing its killers (there have been only 44 since executions resumed in 1979), it's costing about $ 24 million per electrocuted murderer. "That is an astounding figure," said Mike McCarron, executive director of the Florida Catholic Conference and, on behalf of the church, a perennial death penalty opponent.

"It's costing the state of Florida a small fortune," said Elliott Metcalfe, president of the Florida Public Defenders Association and the public defender in Sarasota and Manatee counties.

"It is much cheaper to put these people in prison and leave them there until they die. Simple as that."

According to The Post's estimate, it is about $ 23 million cheaper, even for an inmate who is imprisoned in his 20s and dies in his 70s.

Just sayin'...

[UNTflyer]

Ross was 20, serving his sentence for that crime, when he stabbed another inmate to death. He was acquitted.

During that prison stay, Ross himself was stabbed, and he was tried and acquitted in the assault of a corrections officer.

Ross was paroled in February 1990, a little more than eight years into the 20-year sentence.

Here is a major part of the problem.

[FirefightnRick]

In Florida, try $ 51 million a year.

Worth every dime of it. But we could speed things up a bit.

Rick

[e-bone ver2.awesome]

From a 2000 article in the Palm Beach Post now housed here: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?&did=2602

Just sayin'...

Is it worth the money if he keeps getting out of jail to assault and murder more innocent people?

Maybe we should have a "no appeals after x convictions" law and send his family the bill for the bullet. With the high price of energy, scum such as this guy doesn't deserve to be electrocuted.

[Quoner]

Is it worth the money if he keeps getting out of jail to assault and murder more innocent people?

Maybe we should have a "no appeals after x convictions" law and send his family the bill for the bullet. With the high price of energy, scum such as this guy doesn't deserve to be electrocuted.

Cute - but my point was why not secure them for life and take away the possibility of a release? It doesn't satisfy the lust for an eye for an eye so...well, then it won't be popular here at all.

The death penalty is not deterring crime, so why not invest the resources to secure those with life sentences?

[e-bone ver2.awesome]

Cute - but my point was why not secure them for life and take away the possibility of a release? It doesn't satisfy the lust for an eye for an eye so...well, then it won't be popular here at all.

The death penalty is not deterring crime, so why not invest the resources to secure those with life sentences?

Putting this guy in jail isn't deterring him from committing further crimes. Why keep giving him the opportunities?

[UNTflyer]

He needs to be put in a SuperMax facility.

Prison isn't supposed to be a picnic, but some people screw up and just want to do their time and get out. Animals like this guy make it harder for people who want to straighten up their lives.

Edited July 15, 2008 by UNTflyer

[greenminer]

He also pointed out that if the death penalty were eliminated tomorrow, Florida would save only about $ 11 million a year - the cost of specialized lawyers hired exclusively to work on death penalty appeals.

good read, Q.

[Quoner]

Putting this guy in jail isn't deterring him from committing further crimes. Why keep giving him the opportunities?

Letting him out is where most of the trouble is happening. Why not spend the money to create a system that can secure and control him rather than inefficiently put him to death?

I think the death penalty should only be allowed if a strong system cannot corral him or keep him from being a threat to others and happen to think a nice life of solitary could accomplish that. I also like the idea of him suffering through a wasted life for hurting so many.

Als,o I know I am in the minority and I am glad this is civil. Thank you sir.

[e-bone ver2.awesome]

Letting him out is where most of the trouble is happening. Why not spend the money to create a system that can secure and control him rather than inefficiently put him to death?

I think the death penalty should only be allowed if a strong system cannot corral him or keep him from being a threat to others and happen to think a nice life of solitary could accomplish that. I also like the idea of him suffering through a wasted life for hurting so many.

Als,o I know I am in the minority and I am glad this is civil. Thank you sir.

That system doesn't exist and isn't on the horizon. Since we know that right now this guy has been to jail, been released and has committed further crimes, why even think about that possibility again? Since we know that unless the state or federal government rolls out a drastic new prison system tomorrow he very well may find another way to commit more crimes, there is no reason in giving him that chance. He has already threatened to kill law enforcement officers, and I would prefer that he never has the chance to do that or rape another little girl ever again.

[Quoner]

That system doesn't exist and isn't on the horizon. Since we know that right now this guy has been to jail, been released and has committed further crimes, why even think about that possibility again? Since we know that unless the state or federal government rolls out a drastic new prison system tomorrow he very well may find another way to commit more crimes, there is no reason in giving him that chance. He has already threatened to kill law enforcement officers, and I would prefer that he never has the chance to do that or rape another little girl ever again.

If the system can't secure this person in a best effort - especially without releasing him from jail, then use the death penalty.

Thank you for letting me know that prison reform won't happen tomorrow. I really thought we were on to that - thank god you showed up to clear it up.

[SUMG]

The death penalty is not deterring crime, so why not invest the resources to secure those with life sentences?

How do you know this? Just because you and your liberal friends repeat it to one another? Whether or not the death penalty is a deterrent to crime....would be impossible to measure. You gonna tell me that you all have surveyed every criminal who ever committed a crime, and asked him why he did/didn't kill someone in the commission of that crime?

[Quoner]

How do you know this? Just because you and your liberal friends repeat it to one another? Whether or not the death penalty is a deterrent to crime....would be impossible to measure. You gonna tell me that you all have surveyed every criminal who ever committed a crime, and asked him why he did/didn't kill someone in the commission of that crime?

I'm far from liberal - but I guess since I don't hit a Republican party talking point, I must be a dope smoking anti-christ hippy. I actually go to church every week - if not more- love 'Merica and have a close relative who has served for years as an elected Republican official. I frequently argue with liberal siblings but have trouble identifying with either side right now. But hey, nice tits on your avatar!

Here's one way to measure it, but it doesn't have the hard science of your method: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=168

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

How do you know this? Just because you and your liberal friends repeat it to one another? Whether or not the death penalty is a deterrent to crime....would be impossible to measure. You gonna tell me that you all have surveyed every criminal who ever committed a crime, and asked him why he did/didn't kill someone in the commission of that crime?

Oh no-- here is the word liberal again... just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are a (gasp) liberal. . That really bothers me.. the name calling. Besides our founding fathers were pretty liberal... they wanted to change things... the conservatives just want keep things as they were (Tories). The witch hanging Puritans at Salem were definitely conservative, "believe as I do or I will hang you". I don't consider myself either.. but definitely conservative on financial matters.

--- I have taught in public school and once had ONE class in which 5 students (through the years) have been charged with murder and two more were murder victims . (I have actually heard a sixth one was charged but have not seen it in print) No other class of mine has been even close to that one. Three were convicted and I am convinced the other two were guilty but it could not be proven. None were executed. I can promise you that there are some that the death penalty or any punishment is not a deterrent.... and there are some that whatever punishment is out there a big deterrent. There are a very few that seem to have zero conscience and no sense of right or wrong and just don't care what punishment might exist. This guy might be one of them but maybe not since he threatens those that might testify again him. He must care some but just thinks he will always get out of trouble. (he pretty much has so far)

---Having said all this, the 1880's weren't all bad... in that era this guy would no longer exist.

Edited July 15, 2008 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[UNTflyer]

Why is the death penalty not a deterrent? Is it because death row inmates sit in a private cell for 15-20 years, some with tv, radios, books, 3 meals a day... not that it's a great life, but it is life, which is more than what their victims received.

I never viewed the death penalty as a deterrent. Prison obviously isn't a deterrent either, but it's not really a valid argument for shutting down prisons, is it?

The death penalty is vengeance. Pure and simple, and I think it is justified vengeance. I just feel there should be a DNA evidence requirement to impose the death penalty so that we are certain only the guilty are put to death. And once sentence is imposed, it should be carried out within 1 year. But at the same time, if the death penalty were outlawed, I'd have no problem with that provided murderers are put in prison for the rest of their lives. In fact, we should build a special supermax murderer prison where these people sit in a small cell, locked down 24/7 except for 1 hour of solitary outdoor exercise a week. No tv, no radio, they can have a book a week. It should be miserable.

Edited July 15, 2008 by UNTflyer

[e-bone ver2.awesome]

If the system can't secure this person in a best effort - especially without releasing him from jail, then use the death penalty.

Thank you for letting me know that prison reform won't happen tomorrow. I really thought we were on to that - thank god you showed up to clear it up.

I wasn't sure you knew since you were arguing very hard for putting this man in prison, again, rather than removing him as a threat completely.

[Quoner]

I wasn't sure you knew since you were arguing very hard for putting this man in prison, again, rather than removing him as a threat completely.

I made the mistake of using this as a jumping off point for the general topic - much like everyone else does in every thread on this page.

Now I'm gonna go smoke my dope pipe and burn a flag.

[e-bone ver2.awesome]

Oh no-- here is the word liberal again... just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are a (gasp) liberal. . That really bothers me.. the name calling. Besides our founding fathers were pretty liberal... they wanted to change things... the conservatives just want keep things as they were (Tories). The witch hanging Puritans at Salem were definitely conservative, "believe as I do or I will hang you". I don't consider myself either.. but definitely conservative on financial matters.

Dammit you're on to us. It chaps my hide that America is a country and our founding fathers succeeded. And all those rotten witches out there have been getting away with their black magic for 2 centuries brings my blood to a boil.

[Quoner]

Dammit you're on to us. It chaps my hide that America is a country and our founding fathers succeeded. And all those rotten witches out there have been getting away with their black magic for 2 centuries brings my blood to a boil.

SE-66 just took the train off the tracks - hooray!

[SUMG]

Oh no-- here is the word liberal again... just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are a (gasp) liberal. . That really bothers me.. the name calling. Besides our founding fathers were pretty liberal... they wanted to change things... the conservatives just want keep things as they were (Tories). The witch hanging Puritans at Salem were definitely conservative, "believe as I do or I will hang you". I don't consider myself either.. but definitely conservative on financial matters.

--- I have taught in public school and once had ONE class in which 5 students (through the years) have been charged with murder and two more were murder victims . (I have actually heard a sixth one was charged but have not seen it in print) No other class of mine has been even close to that one. Three were convicted and I am convinced the other two were guilty but it could not be proven. None were executed. I can promise you that there are some that the death penalty or any punishment is not a deterrent.... and there are some that whatever punishment is out there a big deterrent. There are a very few that seem to have zero conscience and no sense of right or wrong and just don't care what punishment might exist. This guy might be one of them but maybe not since he threatens those that might testify again him. He must care some but just thinks he will always get out of trouble. (he pretty much has so far)

---Having said all this, the 1880's weren't all bad... in that era this guy would no longer exist.

You must not be very sure of your convictions....if the term "liberal" is now considered name calling. Geez. You can call me conservative all you want, and it doesn't bother me one wit. As a matter of fact, I love that term. I'm proud to be conservative. I guess the knowledge that I'm right on most issues, gives me that reassurance.

Call me a right wing nut.....I don't care. But, call a liberal a liberal now-a-days, and they get their panties in a wad.

Edited July 15, 2008 by SUMG

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

You must not be very sure of your convictions....

--HUH...!!... I just don't see everything as black/white. For some people capital punishment is a deterrent, for some it isn't. Not every person or situation is the same. to put it into football terms... sometimes you run and sometimes you pass....

--Liberal... I just think it is funny that some start yelling liberal when someone disagrees with them... It has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative on any issue. Most people are really neither.... conservative on some things and somewhat liberal on others. . Check out the folks at El Dorado... very liberal on marriage issues (by most of our standards, multiple wives) but definitely conservative on the way females dress. The good old Puritans (who did not celebrate Christmas or Easter, those were too liberal, date not mentioned in Bible) first yelled witch... then hung them.....LOL...

Edited July 15, 2008 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[Mean Green 93-98]

---Having said all this, the 1880's weren't all bad... in that era this guy would no longer exist.

I think that hits it on the head. Our justice system as a whole is not a very effective deterrent to crime. Criminals are made out to be victims just as much as the true victims they brutalized. "Death row" means years and years before anything is done other than endless appeals.

The advances in DNA technology ideally should speed things up, as well as avoiding punishing the innocent.

[Eagle1855]

I'm far from liberal - but I guess since I don't hit a Republican party talking point, I must be a dope smoking anti-christ hippy. I actually go to church every week - if not more- love 'Merica and have a close relative who has served for years as an elected Republican official. I frequently argue with liberal siblings but have trouble identifying with either side right now. But hey, nice tits on your avatar!

Here's one way to measure it, but it doesn't have the hard science of your method: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=168

Boom.... outta here.

Thanks for supplying relevant information that supports your case. It's a cool drink of water in this arid desert of a thread.

I'm all over the place on the death penalty from a morality standpoint so I can't really comment on that. I will say that the inefficiency of it really annoys me. As soon as someone is convicted- without a shadow of a doubt- of a heinous crime, either drag them out back and put a bullet in their heads (which couldn't be much more than the cost a pay phone call) or keep them in jail for life. No more half-ass "justice". Commit to doing it one way or the other.

Also, the notion of a "humane" death penalty is laughable. It just makes us all feel better to think they were put to death in a comfortable fashion. The net effect is the same: the person is dead. Finito. End of story. You've either killed someone or you haven't. There is no in-between.