Who's Holding Us Back?

[DirtySavage]

who opened the floodgates for the longest posts of all time. Just hope plumm doesn't see this.

[greenminer]

who opened the floodgates for the longest posts of all time. Just hope plumm doesn't see this.

Don't worry, these posts can't hold a candle to the epic narratives that Plumm has laid out.

Freaking Homer's Illiad, complete with color-coding, right here on GMG.com

[DirtySavage]

Don't worry, these posts can't hold a candle to the epic narratives that Plumm has laid out.

Freaking Homer's Illiad, complete with color-coding, right here on GMG.com

LOL

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

---Quoting the old philospher

"POGO"...."We have met the enemy and they are us"

Our alums are not as loyal as alums are most places**.... and that bothers me. I feel that my education is ever bit as good those other places produce.

Because of the above... our athletic attendence is not that good, our media coverage is not that good, and even our visibiblity is not that good (bumper stickers, clothing, etc.) Showing pride in ourselves in paramount. It helps recruiting and in getting attention from the public and the media.

Having said that, I worked at Habitat for Humanity this weekend wearing a North Texas cap out here in the middle of West Texas.... I got responses from 2-3 people about it. More of us need to do things like that (I don't just mean the people on this board).

** playing more regional opponents (especially Texas) would help, (my opinion) plus we have a lot of alums that only attend NT two years...instead of four. That means something needs to be done on campus to develop loyality quickly. The more loyality we get, the more donations we will get as well....the academic staff need to realize that and supports athletics better.

Edited July 14, 2008 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[the real grad88]

Only difference in UNT and the other 9 D1A Texas schools:

1. Conference affiliation

This is the shortest but best post on this subject. I agree. Conference afflilation is the only thing that separates us from ANY other DIA school in Texas. It effects everything...from recruiting to attendance to preception. If somehow by magic UNT joined the Big XII tomorrow, many of our academic programs would suddenly rise in perception as well. Isn't it interesting how that works. Just because the public sees a school's team play on TV every week, they automatically think that their academic programs are superior to other, lesser known schools.

In fact, the Big XII would do well to put UNT in their conference instead of Baylor...if they were thinking strategically. We would automatically need an 80K seat stadium and would have the funds to do so. Can you imagine UT and A&M coming to town...the excitement and madness that it would generate? Mean while, Baylor has peaked long ago. Conference affliation does mean everything.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

This is the shortest but best post on this subject. I agree. Conference afflilation is the only thing that separates us from ANY other DIA school in Texas. It effects everything...from recruiting to attendance to preception. If somehow by magic UNT joined the Big XII tomorrow, many of our academic programs would suddenly rise in perception as well. Isn't it interesting how that works. Just because the public sees a school's team play on TV every week, they automatically think that their academic programs are superior to other, lesser known schools.

In fact, the Big XII would do well to put UNT in their conference instead of Baylor...if they were thinking strategically. We would automatically need an 80K seat stadium and would have the funds to do so. Can you imagine UT and A&M coming to town...the excitement and madness that it would generate? Mean while, Baylor has peaked long ago. Conference affliation does mean everything.

Which brings us back to fan/media support and alum pride. If we had good support, name conferences would be fighting to get us as a member. The problem is the chicken/egg argument again. Good conference means good support.......good support means good conference. The only thing we can control at the moment is improving support and the other should follow (unless SMU has a say/veto in the matter).

[Eagle1855]

(unless SMU has a say/veto in the matter).

ahh yes, Godwin's Law of gomeangreen.com. In the end, it all comes down to SMU.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

ahh yes, Godwin's Law of gomeangreen.com. In the end, it all comes down to SMU.

That statement was made as partly true ( SWC situation) and partly as a joke. The old grey Pony is not what she used to be. I have no clue if they had any influence on the CUSA decision but they publicly said they wanted any univeristy East of Dallas after TCU left CUSA ( ie. LaTech and a slap at NT) . The choice was UTEP, which was not what they had indicated they wanted.

Edited July 14, 2008 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[FirefightnRick]

Our alums are not as loyal as alums are most places**.... and that bothers me.

Wrong. Our alums who are loyal are more loyal than alums of other places are. There's just not as many. It's easy to be loyal where a sickening amount of money is thrown by winning-at-all-and-any-cost programs and the competition level is raised by greater expectations each year. However, give them 4 winning seasons in the past 13 years and see how loyal they are? Give them ONE post season or tourny win between both of the two major sports combined(Football and Basketball) in the past 60 some odd years and see how many would still be following their teams?

Rick

[Green Mean]

Who's holding us back you ask?

We are holding ourselves back. UNT is holding UNT back. Just my opinion.

[SHOSS]

Wrong. Our alums who are loyal are more loyal than alums of other places are. There's just not as many. It's easy to be loyal where a sickening amount of money is thrown by winning-at-all-and-any-cost programs and the competition level is raised by greater expectations each year. However, give them 4 winning seasons in the past 13 years and see how loyal they are? Give them ONE post season or tourny win between both of the two major sports combined(Football and Basketball) in the past 60 some odd years and see how many would still be following their teams?

Rick

The world is full of front runners... I have a couple of friends that are alumni of the sweet clean UNT. One is a die hard Notre Dame fan...and the other is a Tollway-t-sip. They don't want to waste their time giving to a cause that could help build something... They just want to ride the bandwagon of a well established program... and somehow that gives them bragging rights or whatever... We give our t-sip friend grief, and his response is...."yeah well, letme know when UNT can compete for a national championship..." He is one of those confusing people that wears that god-awful burnt orange out to homecoming and never goes into the games... vomit.

[FirefightnRick]

The world is full of front runners... I have a couple of friends that are alumni of the sweet clean UNT. One is a die hard Notre Dame fan...and the other is a Tollway-t-sip. They don't want to waste their time giving to a cause that could help build something... They just want to ride the bandwagon of a well established program... and somehow that gives them bragging rights or whatever... We give our t-sip friend grief, and his response is...."yeah well, letme know when UNT can compete for a national championship..." He is one of those confusing people that wears that god-awful burnt orange out to homecoming and never goes into the games... vomit.

There's a Bootlicker born every day.

Rick