Unt To Lose Five Football Scholarships

[Harry]

http://meangreenblog.dentonrc.com/

[LAZER]

This really bothers me, I do not see why these kids cant just PASS and/or finish school!!! Actually I know why, it is because they would rather party instead of studying. Not only are they wasting a free education, they are hurting the team. I would like to mention that some of our UNT athletes work hard and I would like to thank them. Specifically, I have had Daniel Meager, Adryan Adams, Kevin Dickerson, a cross country runner, and a womens golf player all in relatively hard classes and all of which seem pretty intelligent and I think did pretty well in the class.

[the green rokemi]

Is it because several players left the program last year and dropped out?

[GoMeanGreen1999]

A loss of 5 scholarships hurts for sure. How long do we lose them for?

[PHSCoach]

they get reviewed every year

[GoMeanGreen1999]

they get reviewed every year

So we will lose the ability to offer or give 5 this next season? Then the next year we will or could possibly get those 5 back?

[SUMG]

We're by far, the hardest hit of any area school. This is by Chip Brown, of the DMNews:

North Texas will lose five scholarships in football and one in men's basketball after the NCAA released its annual report on the Academic Progress Rates for its member institutions - a four-year look at graduation rates culminating with the 2006-07 academic year.

"We recognize and appreciate the intent of the APR and will continue to work hard toward not only meeting, but exceeding the standards set by the NCAA," UNT athletic director Rick Villarreal said. "We do, however, work under the belief that it is one of many

components in measuring academic success.

"In our athletics program, we are continually implementing support programs and enhancing facilities that further the ability of our student-athletes to be academically successful and to graduate. Our focus is to promote an environment where our students achieve their academic goals. That is demonstrated by the graduation rate of our student-athletes, which improved from 37 to 67 percent from 2001 to 2006."

Here is a list of Big 12, Texas and area schools penalized for failing to meet minimum standards:

Kansas State - lost 1 scholarship for men's basketball

LSU - lost .34 scholarship for baseball

Oklahoma State - lost 1 scholarship for women's basketball

Prairie View A&M - received a public reprimand for men's golf

Sam Houston State - lost .01 scholarship for baseball and 1.03 for men's track

Stephen F. Austin - lost 3.18 scholarships for football and 1 for women's basketball

Texas A&M-Corpus Christi - lost .56 scholarship for baseball

Texas Southern - lost .45 scholarship in men's tennis and received a public reprimand

Texas State - lost 2.95 scholarships in football and 1 in women's basketball

Colorado - received a public reprimand for men's basketball

Kansas - lost 2 scholarships in football

North Texas - lost 5 scholarships in football and 1 in men's basketball

UT-Arlington - lost 1.17 scholarships in baseball and 2 in women's basketball

UTEP - lost 1 scholarship in men's basketball

UTSA - lost 1 scholarship in women's basketball, .49 scholarship in baseball and .50 in men's cross country

UT-Pan American - received a public reprimand in baseball

[GoMeanGreen1999]

We're by far, the hardest hit of any area school. This is by Chip Brown, of the DMNews:

North Texas will lose five scholarships in football and one in men's basketball after the NCAA released its annual report on the Academic Progress Rates for its member institutions - a four-year look at graduation rates culminating with the 2006-07 academic year.

"We recognize and appreciate the intent of the APR and will continue to work hard toward not only meeting, but exceeding the standards set by the NCAA," UNT athletic director Rick Villarreal said. "We do, however, work under the belief that it is one of many

components in measuring academic success.

"In our athletics program, we are continually implementing support programs and enhancing facilities that further the ability of our student-athletes to be academically successful and to graduate. Our focus is to promote an environment where our students achieve their academic goals. That is demonstrated by the graduation rate of our student-athletes, which improved from 37 to 67 percent from 2001 to 2006."

Here is a list of Big 12, Texas and area schools penalized for failing to meet minimum standards:

Kansas State - lost 1 scholarship for men's basketball

LSU - lost .34 scholarship for baseball

Oklahoma State - lost 1 scholarship for women's basketball

Prairie View A&M - received a public reprimand for men's golf

Sam Houston State - lost .01 scholarship for baseball and 1.03 for men's track

Stephen F. Austin - lost 3.18 scholarships for football and 1 for women's basketball

Texas A&M-Corpus Christi - lost .56 scholarship for baseball

Texas Southern - lost .45 scholarship in men's tennis and received a public reprimand

Texas State - lost 2.95 scholarships in football and 1 in women's basketball

Colorado - received a public reprimand for men's basketball

Kansas - lost 2 scholarships in football

North Texas - lost 5 scholarships in football and 1 in men's basketball

UT-Arlington - lost 1.17 scholarships in baseball and 2 in women's basketball

UTEP - lost 1 scholarship in men's basketball

UTSA - lost 1 scholarship in women's basketball, .49 scholarship in baseball and .50 in men's cross country

UT-Pan American - received a public reprimand in baseball

Gosh, after reading through this list, we really did lose a lot. I wonder what the web site is to check all of the D1 schools - wonder where we would fall nationally. Thanks SUMG for this find.

Edited May 6, 2008 by GoMeanGreen1999

[SUMG]

We're by far, the hardest hit of any area school. This is by Chip Brown, of the DMNews:

North Texas will lose five scholarships in football and one in men's basketball after the NCAA released its annual report on the Academic Progress Rates for its member institutions - a four-year look at graduation rates culminating with the 2006-07 academic year.

"We recognize and appreciate the intent of the APR and will continue to work hard toward not only meeting, but exceeding the standards set by the NCAA," UNT athletic director Rick Villarreal said. "We do, however, work under the belief that it is one of many

components in measuring academic success.

"In our athletics program, we are continually implementing support programs and enhancing facilities that further the ability of our student-athletes to be academically successful and to graduate. Our focus is to promote an environment where our students achieve their academic goals. That is demonstrated by the graduation rate of our student-athletes, which improved from 37 to 67 percent from 2001 to 2006."

Here is a list of Big 12, Texas and area schools penalized for failing to meet minimum standards:

Kansas State - lost 1 scholarship for men's basketball

LSU - lost .34 scholarship for baseball

Oklahoma State - lost 1 scholarship for women's basketball

Prairie View A&M - received a public reprimand for men's golf

Sam Houston State - lost .01 scholarship for baseball and 1.03 for men's track

Stephen F. Austin - lost 3.18 scholarships for football and 1 for women's basketball

Texas A&M-Corpus Christi - lost .56 scholarship for baseball

Texas Southern - lost .45 scholarship in men's tennis and received a public reprimand

Texas State - lost 2.95 scholarships in football and 1 in women's basketball

Colorado - received a public reprimand for men's basketball

Kansas - lost 2 scholarships in football

North Texas - lost 5 scholarships in football and 1 in men's basketball

UT-Arlington - lost 1.17 scholarships in baseball and 2 in women's basketball

UTEP - lost 1 scholarship in men's basketball

UTSA - lost 1 scholarship in women's basketball, .49 scholarship in baseball and .50 in men's cross country

UT-Pan American - received a public reprimand in baseball

One thing interesting about the list: The total lack of the "big boys." No Texas. No Oklahoma. No A $ M. No Arkansas. LSU....just loses a third of a baseball scholarship.

Is it that we're so much worse than them...or is this more SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT by the turds at the NCAA. (just like the Indian mascot rule which doesn't affect Florida State and Illinois---just "smaller" programs).

I mean, if graduation rates figure into the APR.....it seems to me that every year, Texas loses a player or two early....to the NBA Draft. How the hell can UT's b-ball graduation rates be that good?

Edited May 6, 2008 by SUMG

[GreenAlums]

WOW!, compared to everyone else on the list we must have been pretty far behind on the minimum requirements, whatever they are???. We didn't start with any more scholarships did we? We sure lost a lot. Surely we just lose for next year and we don't have to send anybody walking this year?? Hopefully we won't lose the one or two we have to offer a walk-on this year. Man, this seems like it could be a way for the big guys to once again keep us down. You can't tell me scholastically we are that far behind anybody!!

[GoMeanGreen1999]

One thing interesting about the list: The total lack of the "big boys." No Texas. No Oklahoma. No A $ M. No Arkansas. LSU....just loses a third of a baseball scholarship.

Is it that we're so much worse than them...or is this more SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT by the turds at the NCAA. (just like the Indian mascot rule which doesn't affect Florida State and Illinois---just "smaller" programs.

I mean, if graduation rates figure into the APR.....it seems to me that every year, Texas loses a player or two early....to the NBA Draft. How the hell can UT's b-ball graduation rates be that good?

Great question. Kendrick Davis left Arkansas and came here, then got his degree. If he had not gratuated, would that have counted against both schools? You would think that if it were some type of formula, that the big schools would fall under that too, but then again, they have a lot more money to hire folks to watch all of it. Where is the list?

[Guest 97and03]

NCAA academic report: some college teams may be hit hard By MICHAEL MAROT, AP Sports Writer

2 hours, 20 minutes ago

INDIANAPOLIS - College teams that consistently underperform in the classroom are getting hit harder by the NCAA.

Nearly 150 college teams face possible scholarship losses next season and 26 others are in danger of being banned from postseason play if they don't improve next year.

The NCAA's annual academic progress report was released Tuesday. It showed more than 700 teams fell short of the mandated cut score.

But only 218 were penalized with warning letters, potential reductions in scholarships and practice time and warned they face possible postseason bans. Some were granted waivers by the governing body.

Thirty-six teams were assessed two penalties and three schools had more than one team make the list twice — Alabama-Birmingham in men's basketball, football and men's golf; San Diego State in baseball and football; and San Jose State in baseball and men's basketball.

When a team does not improve, the punishments can become harsher with three consecutive scores under 900 leading to a postseason ban. A fourth consecutive offense would prevent them from competing at the Division I level.

Schools already facing a possible postseason ban include football teams at San Jose State, Southern and Temple, and men's basketball teams at New Mexico, Centenary and East Carolina.

Money is becoming a more notable factor in academic success or failure. According to the report, 180 teams cited low resources as the reason for their poor scores, while 253 teams said they were hurt by the departures of academically ineligible players. Teams can cite more than one explanation for scores when filing the report with the NCAA.

This year's result also show the largest Division I schools, those in the Bowl Championship Series conferences, performed relatively well.

Eighteen BCS teams were penalized, eight in men's and women's basketball and two in football. Of those, only four teams — Kansas State, Purdue, Southern California and Tennessee — made the NCAA men's basketball tournament and all four could lose up to two scholarships next season if a player leaves school while academically ineligible.

Also making the list were traditional powers like the LSU baseball team and Tennessee men's swimming team.

Tennessee and West Virginia, which each had three teams on the list, were the only BCS schools with more than one team penalized. Each school had three teams make it — West Virginia in men's soccer, wrestling and women's rowing and Tennessee in men's basketball, men's swimming and baseball.

Women continue to outperform men, with a four-year average of 969 compared to 951.

Historically black colleges and universities, which last year had a disparate percentage of the low scores, fell more in line with the national averages this year. Eleven teams, 4.3 percent of the overall total, at eight historically black schools were penalized. The national average was 4.0 percent.

The most recent report includes scores from the 2003-07 academic years. An athlete earns one point for remaining academically eligible each semester and another point each semester they remain at the school, accumulating a maximum of four points each year. The scoring is altered slightly for schools on a quarters-based calendar.

Over the past four years, the scores improved slightly in 26 of the 29 sports measured by the NCAA, with decreases shown only in men's ice hockey, men's swimming and water polo.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

We're by far, the hardest hit of any area school. This is by Chip Brown, of the DMNews:

North Texas will lose five scholarships in football and one in men's basketball after the NCAA released its annual report on the Academic Progress Rates for its member institutions - a four-year look at graduation rates culminating with the 2006-07 academic year.

NOTE: -----This says --the result of as a FOUR YEAR look at graduation rates..... ie. ALL of these point back to our former coach DD, not Dodge. This involved the guys recruited by DD not the ones that Dodge has brought in. The only thing that could be possibly put on Dodge is in the future for not keeping some those in school and that is going to be a pretty thin argument. . The ghost of DD is going to be around awhile longer as we still have a lot of his recruits on campus or at least they should be... This apparently does not even take in consideration the would seniors this year because they have not finished the year yet and it states ending in 2006-07.

--- Better to recruit good athletes that are decent students than super athletes that are lousy students and cause trouble. This COMPLETELY rests on the recruiting and efforts of DD to keep them in class plus the quality of student-athletes he brought in.

--- I also believe that recruiting good students will also help gain more support from profs across campus. The reason some profs have little respect for the athletic dept. is because of the type students some of the coaches are recruiting. I know it makes a difference with me when I see good students or at least students that will work hard in class from the athletic dept. I had several last fall where I teach (none this spring).

Edited May 6, 2008 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[SUMG]

I do find it idiotic though....that the NCAA wants to stress EDUCATION.....by doing what?

Keeping 6 kids (5 football, one basketball) from getting a free one.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Edited May 6, 2008 by SUMG

[PHSCoach]

NOTE: -----This says --the result of as a FOUR YEAR look at graduation rates..... ie. all of these point back to our former coach DD, not Dodge. This involved the guys recruited by DD not the ones that Dodge has brought in. The only thing that could be possibly put on Dodge is not keeping some those in school this year and that is going to be a pretty thin argument even for next year. . The ghost of DD is going to be around awhile longer as we still have a lot of his recruits on campus or at least they should be... This apparently does not even take in consideration the would seniors this year because they have not finished the year yet and it states ending in 2006-07.

The part trying to get this all back on DD is a little far fetched. Last year we lost 0 ships so in comes TD, sends all the players that are on the bubble off campus thus counting against UNT this year.

DD would have at least worked with these players and tried to get them on tract.

"That is demonstrated by the graduation rate of our student-athletes, which improved from 37 to 67 percent from 2001 to 2006." This had to hurt RV to say this in the face of losing 5 ships this year.

Don't look for things to get that much better next year form what I hear yes TD had 13 or 15 what ever the number was that had 3.0 or over but he didn't show haow many were gone or would not make the grade for this year. And the team must make the grade next couple of years or they will lose more than 5 ships

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

I do find it idiotic though....that the NCAA wants to stress EDUCATION.....by doing what?

Keeping 6 kids (5 football, one basketball) from getting a free one.

Yeah, that makes sense.

--It does to me.... it encourages universities to give scholarships to people who want an education... and not to people who could care less about education and just want to play games and have a good time.. !! Very few of those who flunked out or left gave a hoot about a degree anyway. Give them to people who care and want to be a success in life... and this will not happen.

The following did not lose any schlorships: TCU, SMU, TTU, UT, Baylor, or A&M. It is all about who you recruit... DD did a poor job of getting good athletes and students as well. ... Blame him... he is one that deserves ALL the blame..... not the system.

Edited May 6, 2008 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[SUMG]

--It does to me.... it encourages universities to give scholarships to people who want an education... and not to people who could care less about education and just want to play games and have a good time.. !! Very few of those who flunked out or left gave a hoot about as degree anyway. Give them to people who care and want to be a success in life.

So actions of kids who flunked out 4-5 years ago (or whatever)...that should be held against kids of today? What I'm saying is, that we now have 6 scholarships that aren't available to offer to "good student" athletes.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

The part trying to get this all back on DD is a little far fetched. Last year we lost 0 ships so in comes TD, sends all the players that are on the bubble off campus thus counting against UNT this year.

DD would have at least worked with these players and tried to get them on tract.

"That is demonstrated by the graduation rate of our student-athletes, which improved from 37 to 67 percent from 2001 to 2006." This had to hurt RV to say this in the face of losing 5 ships this year.

Don't look for things to get that much better next year form what I hear yes TD had 13 or 15 what ever the number was that had 3.0 or over but he didn't show haow many were gone or would not make the grade for this year. And the team must make the grade next couple of years or they will lose more than 5 ships

READ CLOSELY: ----at the end of the 2007 school year and the three prior years.... This has NOTHING to to with DODGE .. he was not here at all except during spring training last year..

---You are correct about next year, it likely will be no better, maybe worse.... Those also will be ALL DD recruits.... Dodge's only responsibibly will be those DD recruits that should have graduated this spring and were still here when he became coach. Many of those that will count in next years evaluation , never even met Dodge.. they were gone before he came to NT. That is why I stated the ghost of DD will be around for several more years. It will be 2012 before Dodge's recruits count in the evaluation but in the meantime he can help the cause some by keeping DD recruits in school as bad as they could be ... that is all he can do..

Edited May 6, 2008 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

So actions of kids who flunked out 4-5 years ago (or whatever)...that should be held against kids of today? What I'm saying is, that we now have 6 scholarships that aren't available to offer to "good student" athletes.

---Sorry... life is tough !... that is what we get for keeping him so long... Each US President inherits the problems of the past President even though he did not cause them. [ Iraq war for example ] Sometimes the people that walk into my classroom have a poor backgound and I am not to blame for that either.... but I have to make the best of it and do what I can. It happens all the time... if you inherit a house in bad condition, too bad,... it is yours to fix.

---Even worse, the guy down the street inherited $10,000,000, I didn't.... not my fault that my father didn't earn that much. Life just isn't always completely fair, you just have to start from where you are and make the best of what you are dealt and do better in the future. We accepted DD's wins and bowl appearances and they had a long term price. .

Edited May 6, 2008 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[filmerj]

Like are athletics program needed anymore challenges. Great! Man this pisses me off. After all this talk of graduation rates going up. There is no way todge could have changed this. Well, now we now why BBall didn't offer that last scholly to anyone.

Edited May 6, 2008 by filmerj

[Green P1]

I realize that the NCAA would never release the name's of the offenders, and that it's really none of my business, but I'd sure like to take a look at that list.

[GMoney]

I would love to see the correlation between a faltering program that gets a new head coach and the enforcement of these rules. If I remember correctly, did MTSU get hit with this last year?

An old coach begins to finish off a season with knowing he will not be back. Less dedicated student-athletes begin to slack off knowing the coach isn't returning. Then, new coach comes in and begins to run off that element and your numbers get skewed.

I'm not saying this exactly what happened, but I went through a Coaching change and saw 98% of my incoming class never finish their eligibility and over half dropped out due to bad grades.

Edited May 6, 2008 by GMoney

[chomp]

If you want to read the full report on UNT or see the list of schools that were penalized, you can access them here: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/home?WCM_GL...ata_J5lt9A.html

The results for all of UNT's men's sports are disappointing, although UNT's women do well.

[Baby Arm!]

The loss Courtney Howard as our Academic cooridinator is really hurting us now! Not many realized what a phenominal job she was doing.

[GrandGreen]

NT is not only the worse in the area, but by a large margin. I think the fans deserve an explanation of what caused this rating from the AD. If I remember correctly it was not long ago that NT greatly trumpeted their success with this same rating system. I think fans that blame the players for this are missing the mark, Not a one of the recruits forced NT to sign them. Maybe this is a combination of academic reaches from prior coaching staffs and disgruntled players leaving because of changing in coaching philosophies, but a plausible explanation should be forthcoming.