Hillary Comes In Third, Lol! Obama Rules Iowa

stebo · January 4, 2008

What do you guys think? Hillary got beat pretty bad. Well, she is looking at 3rd place - but it is really close with Edwards. She def lost to Obama. Are those two kids ever gonna team up and run together? Also - what do you all think about Huckabee beating Romney? I really thought that Romney would take Iowa - but I think that his negative campaign blitz over the last few days just killed his momentum. He spent a TON of money. Is the whole Mormon thing too much for him to get past or do you guys think that it was the negative campsign ads? I swear, the amount of money that he spent - he must have been on the TV set between every other ad for the last two weeks straight. Romney is really the best choice on paper for the Republicans if you don't look at religious affiliation but he tried to go the scare tactic route and it just didn't work - or maybe it was the Mormon thing....

I just can't believe that Obama won by such a large margin. He did not spend that much money, ran a somewhat neutral campaign; and has stayed pretty quiet. From what I understand - Edwards really dumped a lot into Iowa and that probably is what brought him up to 2nd (narrowly edging out Hillary according to CBS)... They are reporting 37% for Obama, 31% for Edwards and 30% for Hillary.

Also - I want everyone to take a look at Fred Thompson's numbers - a very solid 3rd place finish with 27% in the Republican race. This guy still hasn't "really" announced... lol... he is quietly getting on ballots and letting the other candidates crash and burn with their spending and negative ads. I really like Thompson, I think that he is probably the best choice out of all of them. Well, I would say that actually Ron Paul would have been the most intelligent candidate but he just has zero chance of winning.

Ok, fire away. I think that the Dems have screwed themselves once again. America sent a loud message to Washington two years ago by electing a Dem Congress to change stuff and at least start to edge out of the war... they have done ZERO. In fact, they have increased spending for the war and just funded it through the rest of 2008 - at minimum - we will be funded for a full force war for 12 more months. As long as the money is being used for reconstruction, I am totally fine with it... build schools and electric/water plants and you will win over the people of the Middle East - they only wish for the simple things in life right now. My good friend is a Lt in the Army and is headed back on Jan 20th... he is unhappy but there seems to be a large surge going with him. Everyone that he served with 4 years ago has been called back up and they are all going between the 15th and 20th of this month. I think that we are pushing for more pressure right as the election comes into the news. The Dems think that pushing it forward will get the Republicans bad points for the election - I think it is the exact opposite - I think that America will see through it and blame the Dems for going back on their campaign promises of 2006. That's just my opinion.

BTW - did I mention that I LOVE politics? LOL

My vote will be for Thompson. If Hillary and Obama wise up and run together, they could win - separate they are screwed and we could very well end up with some idiot like Huckabee.

UNTflyer · January 4, 2008

Didn't Republicans learn about voting for Evangelical moderates?

KingDL1 · January 4, 2008

God I hope Hillary gets the nomination with Obama, talk about a walk in the park landslide win for the Republicans it is not even funny.

stebo · January 4, 2008

Really? You believe that? I think it would be the most lopsided victory the other way... probably the highest margin of victory since Clinton was re-elected. Hillary by herself will lose. Obama by himself would have a chance but the indifference factor would probably kick in too much and the Dems would lose to probably any of the Repub candidates. BUT, together - I think that they would wallop the Grand Ole Party. They are both very good public speakers and they can both raise an assload of money. Who would beat them? Huckabee? Romney? Look at the choices... which brings me back to Thompson... wow, what a great term to run for. Virtually zero competition if he is able to gain some momentum. BUT - I don't think that ANY Republican can beat the two of them combined. People will come out of the woodowrks to make history and elect not only the first Black President but the first Female (somewhat) VP. The gimmick factor alone would kill any chances of the GOP stealing this one back. Maybe it is just election talk, but the two of them have been emphatic that they are not interested in getting the VP ticket with the other. They have campaigned with each other down in New Orleans, so it appears that they are at least "feeling it out" - but their public statements have been the exact opposite.

UNTflyer · January 4, 2008

What's surprising is how bad Giuliani did. He finished behind Ron Paul.

UNTflyer · January 4, 2008

Stebo- Any ticket with Hillary on it is doomed.

People who have never voted before will get off their butts to vote against her.

eulessismore · January 4, 2008

Stebo- Any ticket with Hillary on it is doomed.
People who have never voted before will get off their butts to vote against her.

At least Obama has made statements about the need for improved veterans benefits.

KingDL1 · January 4, 2008

Really? You believe that? I think it would be the most lopsided victory the other way... probably the highest margin of victory since Clinton was re-elected. Hillary by herself will lose. Obama by himself would have a chance but the indifference factor would probably kick in too much and the Dems would lose to probably any of the Repub candidates. BUT, together - I think that they would wallop the Grand Ole Party. They are both very good public speakers and they can both raise an assload of money. Who would beat them? Huckabee? Romney? Look at the choices... which brings me back to Thompson... wow, what a great term to run for. Virtually zero competition if he is able to gain some momentum. BUT - I don't think that ANY Republican can beat the two of them combined. People will come out of the woodowrks to make history and elect not only the first Black President but the first Female (somewhat) VP. The gimmick factor alone would kill any chances of the GOP stealing this one back. Maybe it is just election talk, but the two of them have been emphatic that they are not interested in getting the VP ticket with the other. They have campaigned with each other down in New Orleans, so it appears that they are at least "feeling it out" - but their public statements have been the exact opposite.

Not a chance in hell, old Hillary has no intention of being VP, and when the Republicans put the pressure on she will fall apart much like she has in her own party debates. She has no experience of any kind, and has "f"ed up everything she has ever touched. She has a closet full of dirty laundry. She is a walking talking death-wish for the Demo Party.

Remember old Kinky Friedman, you told me he was going to easily win but he only got 12 percent of the vote. Bank on it if Hillary is tied to the race it is easy money for the republicans.

Edited January 4, 2008 by KingDL1

stebo · January 4, 2008

Stebo- Any ticket with Hillary on it is doomed.
People who have never voted before will get off their butts to vote against her.

I disagree - I think that Obama would cover the young vote and Hillary would mop up the rest of the people that remember how great the Clinton era was. She did get 30% of the vote in Iowa. It is a tight race. The VP is a position that rarely affects the outcome - unless you are Ross Perot. But I think that Hillary would sway the voters that are not keen on Obama. Don't get me wrong - arguing this is kind of like arguing about who would win a football game, it really doesn't matter until they play... I think that putting Hillary and Obama together would be essentially like having USC and Hawaii teaming up to take on LSU. They would be flashy and glitzy - but it would still be a great game. I just think that the gimmick factor alone would get them just enough votes to win (as much as I hate the idea). The best bet for the GOP is to have either one or the other run - together I think that they are pretty unbeatable. They will cover every talk show and MTV special in the country. Take all of that publicity and put it up against who? Huckabee? Romney? Thompson? The only one that would have a chance is Romney as a public speaker... but his religious affiliation is killing him. What about Huckabee? He comes off like a backwards coon. Thompson would be a great Prez, but I don't think that he would do the whole talk show circuit. He just doesn't seem "that into all of this"...

Just my 2 cents.

Edit to add: Tony, I don't remember ever telling you that I thought Kinky had a chance of winning, lol. I was just cheering for him. I always cheer for the underdog. Kinky was really lucky to even get on the ballot and if he really got 12% then I think that was pretty impressive. Honestly, I didn't pay too much attention to it, I didn't even vote in that election - LOL... You know who I am cheering for - Fred Thompson, I have been very up front about that. Don't make me out to be some Hillary suppporter. I just think that she can spin the whole thing with Bill to make it look like she can "relate" to common people with common problems. We live in a country where more then half of the marriages end in divorce and about 70% involve an affair. SOME people will like that she lived to tell about it, she is a survivor in their eyes... just trying to analyze the race.... I am cheering for Thompson. Who do you like in this one?

Edited January 4, 2008 by stebo

UNTflyer · January 4, 2008

The "young vote" doesn't exist. They talk about it every 4 years and it just doesn't show up, even when the Dems lied about Bush wanting to start the draft.

Hillary won't be VP. If she teams up with anyone it will be with Edwards as her Veep, because she would need Southern voters.

There is no moderate Democratic candidate, and that is going to hurt them. This country has not voted for a liberal ticket since FDR. (Bill Clinton doesn't count because he didn't win more than 40% of the vote when the conservatives split their vote between Bush and Perot.)

KingDL1 · January 4, 2008

Who do you like in this one?

I have not picked a dog in this race yet, other then I do realize how many liberals I know that would not vote for Hillary I really think you are missing how much plain outright hatred of that woman there is in this country.

I am not sure where I stand with the republicans, I was kind of thinking Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

But like I said I have not put the thought into which I like, Huckabee I have not heard much good about this one, though I am sure I can't stand the idea of having a President named Huckabee, sounds like he should be hanging out on the river with Tom.

Edited January 4, 2008 by KingDL1

UNTflyer · January 4, 2008

Huckabee I have not heard much good about this one, though I am sure I can't stand the idea of having a President named Huckabee, sounds like he should be hanging out on the river with Tom.

Huckabee is the media darling, which makes me suspicious. He supported alien amnesty, and he raised taxes as governor twice. The only thing he has going for him with Republicans is that he was a minister, and that won't take him very far.

MeanGreenBuzz · January 4, 2008

Thank god someone has a head on their shoulders. If Hillary wins that would prove that more than 50% of Americans are dumber than the average UT fan...

January 4, 2008

Can someone explain the Hillary hate?

Don't bring up murder, suicides, money laundering, etc. Bring the facts. What makes you hate her?

I want to understand.

Mean Green 93-98 · January 4, 2008

Can someone explain the Hillary hate?
Don't bring up murder, suicides, money laundering, etc. Bring the facts. What makes you hate her?
I want to understand.

I personally would not say that I hate her, but I very strongly disagree with her liberal views. For various reasons (e.g., past associations, her radical speech at Wellsley, her attempt to socialize health care and other assertions of power she did not legally receive) many conservatives view her as the embodiment of everything liberal, without being forthright enough to come out in the open about it.

The far left wing of the Democratic party hates her because they feel that she is a sell-out. After making strong, no-bones-about-it pro-abortion speeches, after the last presidential election she changed her tune. Obviously they don't like the fact that she voted to authorize military action in Iraq.

There is more to it, but that's why I imagine the Hillary hate exists.

UNTFan23 · January 4, 2008

Can someone explain the Hillary hate?
Don't bring up murder, suicides, money laundering, etc. Bring the facts. What makes you hate her?
I want to understand.

She needs to keep her paws off my video games.

Click here for one of many blogs about her stance on video games.

Please keep in mind this is a short step away from censorship in general.

Edited January 4, 2008 by UNTFan23

stebo · January 4, 2008

She needs to keep her paws off my video games.
Click here for one of many blogs about her stance on video games.
Please keep in mind this is a short step away from censorship in general.

I just read that and all that it says is that she would have a ratings system so that kids couldn't buy porno games. That is nothing more then a rated PG, R, or X movie. Do you think that kids should be able to buy a rated X movie? Why is it ok to buy the equivalent in the form of a game?

FirefightnRick · January 4, 2008

The VP is a position that rarely affects the outcome - unless you are Ross Perot.

Ask Walter Mondale about it. Talk about a landslide?

I too have yet to choose my fav in all of this. I wouldn't mind Romney or Rudy. But I spent several weeks with Fred Thompson in 1991 way before he became senator during the filming of "Necessary Roughness" and I was truly amazed by the guy. At the time he was running a law firm in Tennessee and did his character acting gig as a hobby. I didn't know about the lawfirm, I just thought he was an actor because he had been in so many big movies prior to "NR". During many of the nights we filmed the night scenes he and his wife would come over and sit and visit in between shoots. I asked him about his acting career(again, not knowing about him being a lawyer) and he was so cool and down to earth about it. He chuckled when he realized that I didn't know and told me how much he loved the acting thing. He said the most difficult thing was trying to work his schedule back home around the shootings and that he spent most of his vacations "working" on films instead of taking real vacations simply because it's what he loved. His wife and him both were great people. So many of the L.A. and New York people(directors staff and producers staff) were absolute assholes and talked down to everyone who were not of the film industry(mostly the Texas folks). Not the Thompsons AT ALL. They seemed to be soaking up Denton Texas as much as possible. I remember one night his wife came down out of the stands and sat on the sidelines bench where I was resting, Fred was there too and she starting talking with the cheerleaders, who were North Texas Mean Green cheerleaders. The next thing I know she's borrowed a majorette baton from someone and is dancing and twirling it and showing the others how to do it and some moves she knew. Fred said that she was a majorette in school. He got a kick out of watching her go because he said he hadn't seen her do that in several years. They both just seemed like great folks. He seems like he would be tough on several of our issues facing the country and I don't take it that he's power hungry and has a true concern for his countrymen. Just my 2 cents.

Rick

ParksAndRecRick · January 4, 2008

BroRick,

Thompson will be gone soon! Sorry. Better get ready to tell us who your next choice is.... He is out of $$$$$!

TheOtherRick

runt96 · January 4, 2008

Third place in IA. and a good showing in NH and the $$ will come in.

UNTFan23 · January 4, 2008

I just read that and all that it says is that she would have a ratings system so that kids couldn't buy porno games. That is nothing more then a rated PG, R, or X movie. Do you think that kids should be able to buy a rated X movie? Why is it ok to buy the equivalent in the form of a game?

But there is already a regulatory body, the ESRB, that rates games, so why do we need a federal law on the books for one?

untbowler · January 4, 2008

But there is already a regulatory body, the ESRB, that rates games, so why do we need a federal law on the books for one?

Because the Democrats have to have power to control the sheep of the country as they keep coming back with their hand open for what they feel are entitlements for just being in America. Basically if a Democrat comes in it will be a Robin Hood situation, you steal from the rich give to the poor and say screw you to the middle class again.

UNTflyer · January 4, 2008

Can someone explain the Hillary hate?

Watch her ad where she is putting presents under the tree... I think that explains it all. She's a European-Socialist.

Here are some verified quotes:

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." (SFgate.com, 06/28/04)

"Decisions about motherhood and abortion, schooling, cosmetic surgery, treatment of venereal disease, or employment, significantly affect the child's future, should not be made unilaterally by parents." 1978 essay: "Children's Rights: A Legal Perspective."

"We can't trust the American people to make those types of choices…Government has to make those choices for people." (Hillary, on her health care reform plan, June 1993.)

"It's time to put the common good, the national interest, ahead of individuals." (Hillary to a woman who expressed concern about being forced into a national health plan.)

"I've always been a Yankees fan."

Edited January 4, 2008 by UNTflyer

KRAM1 · January 4, 2008

Ain't politics fun? It is really great to read all the comments and see the reactions folks have this early in a campaign. I think Hillary is still in the race,a nd I think she's the easiest for the Republicans to beat in the general election...I just do not want her to get the dems nod. She is not what I would want in the White House...man, I can't see it. Seems to me that she will lose because the women will not vote for her. All the women I talk to about the primaries don't like her...interesting, me thinks! You can always count out the "young vote" in the end...they don't vote! It's a real shame...each time a prez election rolls around every college campus in the country gets going and lots of college aged kids volunteer to work for so and so's campaign...then come election day they seem too busy to vote...no where to be found..."missing in action"...I don't see this election as any different. It really is a shme...just think what the "young vote" could do if they got behind a candidate and actually voted!

It should be fun to see what happens in NH. I see that Huckabee does not even hardly register on the early polls in NH and you may recall that NH was the stae that gave Bill Clinton the moniker as "comeback kid"!

It is WAY too early to count anyone in or out on either side...so, buckle your seat belts...this should be pure folly for the next few months.

meangreendork · January 4, 2008

But there is already a regulatory body, the ESRB, that rates games, so why do we need a federal law on the books for one?

We really don't need the government reaching in that far. The ESRB does a great job on its own, and I don't want Hilary messing with that. Overall, I don't want Hilary or Rudy coming anywhere close to the White House unless they're on a tour.