Riley Dodge Scenerio

[H-towngreen]

We have all been talking for some time about what is going to happen with Riley Dodge. Well here is one more option to think about:

Riley will sit out this year as a medical redshirt, being that recovery from shoulder surgery may take a while. He then sits out his second year with his redshirt, different than his medical. Allowing him more time to play after Vizza is done

2008

Vizza Soph

Dodge Med RS

2009

Vizza JR

Dodge RS

2010

Vizza SR

Dodge RS Fresh

2011

Dodge plays as a RS soph

I don't ever see this happening but just throwing it out there for the oncoming debate.

[Mean Green 93-98]

We have all been talking for some time about what is going to happen with Riley Dodge. Well here is one more option to think about:

Riley will sit out this year as a medical redshirt, being that recovery from shoulder surgery may take a while. He then sits out his second year with his redshirt, different than his medical.

Is that in line with NCAA rules? To take a "medical redshirt" before one's redshirt freshman year?!

[adman]

Is that in line with NCAA rules? To take a "medical redshirt" before one's redshirt freshman year?!

I was under the impression that a player gets 5 years to play 4.

[emmitt01]

I was under the impression that a player gets 5 years to play 4.

And you were right.

[H-towngreen]

Unless given a medical redshirt, there have been many players who have been around for 6 yrs.

[greenminer]

Unless given a medical redshirt, there have been many players who have been around for 6 yrs.

My memory must be short circuiting: the only players I recall that had 6 years under their belt were due to medical redshirts.

[H-towngreen]

My memory must be short circuiting: the only players I recall that had 6 years under their belt were due to medical redshirts.

That was my point, just didn't come out right. Case of the Mondays on a Wed.

[BIG DAWG]

I am 99% sure that you cannot take a medical redshirt for an injury you had in high school. If this was allowed, this could really be taken advantage of.

No way that is allowed.

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

True. Medical hardship waivers are for players injured during their collegiate careers. He could "gray shirt" - but that confuses people, too.

From another website, regarding "medical redshirts":

Though often called a "medical redshirt" by sportswriters and sportscasters, the actual term is a "medical hardship waiver". The concept goes like this: Every student-athlete who meets the minimum academic standards coming out of high school gets four season of NCAA Division I Competition eligibility in each sport.

If a student-athlete is injured during a season and cannot return to competition, he or she may qualify for another opportunity to utilize that season of competitive eligibility.

To receive a medical hardship waiver - in any sport - the injury must limit the student-athlete’s participation to no more than 20 percent of the team’s contests (rounded to the next whole number), with all participation occurring in the first half of the season.

Therefore, for a football player, the maximum number of games that he can play in and still receive a medical hardship waiver is three (20 percent of 11 equals 2.2, which is rounded up to 3), and none of his time on the field can occur after the fifth game (the sixth game of an eleven game season is considered in the second half of the season).

In the case of a 12 game regular season, none of the player's time on the field can occur after the sixth game. The seventh game of a 12 game season is considered in the second half of the season.

Edited January 2, 2008 by The Fake Lonnie Finch

[GreenMachine]

True. Medical hardship waivers are for players injured during their collegiate careers. He could "gray shirt" - but that confuses people, too.

From another website, regarding "medical redshirts":

Though often called a "medical redshirt" by sportswriters and sportscasters, the actual term is a "medical hardship waiver". The concept goes like this: Every student-athlete who meets the minimum academic standards coming out of high school gets four season of NCAA Division I Competition eligibility in each sport.

If a student-athlete is injured during a season and cannot return to competition, he or she may qualify for another opportunity to utilize that season of competitive eligibility.

To receive a medical hardship waiver - in any sport - the injury must limit the student-athlete’s participation to no more than 20 percent of the team’s contests (rounded to the next whole number), with all participation occurring in the first half of the season.

Therefore, for a football player, the maximum number of games that he can play in and still receive a medical hardship waiver is three (20 percent of 11 equals 2.2, which is rounded up to 3), and none of his time on the field can occur after the fifth game (the sixth game of an eleven game season is considered in the second half of the season).

In the case of a 12 game regular season, none of the player's time on the field can occur after the sixth game. The seventh game of a 12 game season is considered in the second half of the season.

Who's on first?

[The Fake Lonnie Finch]

Exactly. But, that's the NCAA to the hilt.

It would too easy to just say...look, an injury took a kid's whole season out, give him the season back...and such.

The problem, I suppose, is the NCAA distrusts its members and much as its members distrust it.

Or something....

[H-towngreen]

True. Medical hardship waivers are for players injured during their collegiate careers. He could "gray shirt" - but that confuses people, too.

From another website, regarding "medical redshirts":

Though often called a "medical redshirt" by sportswriters and sportscasters, the actual term is a "medical hardship waiver". The concept goes like this: Every student-athlete who meets the minimum academic standards coming out of high school gets four season of NCAA Division I Competition eligibility in each sport.

If a student-athlete is injured during a season and cannot return to competition, he or she may qualify for another opportunity to utilize that season of competitive eligibility.

To receive a medical hardship waiver - in any sport - the injury must limit the student-athlete’s participation to no more than 20 percent of the team’s contests (rounded to the next whole number), with all participation occurring in the first half of the season.

Therefore, for a football player, the maximum number of games that he can play in and still receive a medical hardship waiver is three (20 percent of 11 equals 2.2, which is rounded up to 3), and none of his time on the field can occur after the fifth game (the sixth game of an eleven game season is considered in the second half of the season).

In the case of a 12 game regular season, none of the player's time on the field can occur after the sixth game. The seventh game of a 12 game season is considered in the second half of the season.

Thanks, it's good to finally know what qualifies as a med redshirt.

I always think back to Dusty Dvoracak of OU and how he got one for basically being abusing the booze.

[greenminer]

Good read, Linch.

Wasn't it Zach Muzzy who got denied the waiver 1 or 2 seasons ago? I remember thinking he had a legit reason, being snubbed, and then watching an OU kid with a much more vague case get granted.

Can someone who remembers please clarify?

[JesseMartin]

What if...

Todd took away Riley's scholarship for next year and paid for school himself, then offered him one the following year and gave him a freshman redshirt?

We're going up in price, but UNT still isn't all that expensive, especially if you're the coach and get (as a staff member) some waivers that make it cheaper for your kid anyway.

[DeepGreen]

My memory must be short circuiting: the only players I recall that had 6 years under their belt were due to medical redshirts.

Who was the OU quarterback from a few years ago that played for them for like 10 years? All because of medical redshirts.

[good_ken]

Who was the OU quarterback from a few years ago that played for them for like 10 years? All because of medical redshirts.

Ramon Flannigan did that at SMU. Played for six seasons over there.

[greenminer]

What if...

Todd took away Riley's scholarship for next year and paid for school himself, then offered him one the following year and gave him a freshman redshirt?

We're going up in price, but UNT still isn't all that expensive, especially if you're the coach and get (as a staff member) some waivers that make it cheaper for your kid anyway.

NCAA dictates the 5 years for 4 seasons rule whether you're on scholly or not. I'm not sure, but I think the clock starts ticking the moment you enroll.

Remember the guy this last season, I think it was Texas State (?), who came back after 20 years and used up his remaining season of eligibility? I think the clock only pauses when you're not enrolled in school. If you want to go that route, have Riley enroll and use a redshirt. He can practice, help further along this system, then take a couple years off from school. All the while he's still hanging with the players, tossing the ball around in their Denton home's back yard. He resumes school and play in 2011 - Vizza just graduated - and takes over the job as a 21 year-old redshirt freshman.

[Cr1028]

NCAA dictates the 5 years for 4 seasons rule whether you're on scholly or not. I'm not sure, but I think the clock starts ticking the moment you enroll.

The moment you enroll as a fulltime student the clock starts, you cannot stop the clock whether you are in school or not.

[JesseMartin]

What if you aren't on the team the first year and are just enrolled?

[FirefightnRick]

NCAA dictates the 5 years for 4 seasons rule whether you're on scholly or not. I'm not sure, but I think the clock starts ticking the moment you enroll.

Remember the guy this last season, I think it was Texas State (?), who came back after 20 years and used up his remaining season of eligibility? I think the clock only pauses when you're not enrolled in school. If you want to go that route, have Riley enroll and use a redshirt. He can practice, help further along this system, then take a couple years off from school. All the while he's still hanging with the players, tossing the ball around in their Denton home's back yard. He resumes school and play in 2011 - Vizza just graduated - and takes over the job as a 21 year-old redshirt freshman.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2986313

Rick

[greenminer]

Okay, make that Sul Ross State, not Texas State, and 37 years after he left the school.

Thirty seven?

[MeanGreenZen]

NAIA and smaller division schools like Sul Ross State allow players to resume their eligibility after a layoff. NCAA Division IA or whatever the hell it calls itself gives you 5 years to play 4 seasons.

[bigjim]

Who was the OU quarterback from a few years ago that played for them for like 10 years? All because of medical redshirts.

Jason White.

[good_ken]

Okay, make that Sul Ross State, not Texas State, and 37 years after he left the school.

Thirty seven?

Genius post.

[Texas Stranger]

A 21-yr old RS freshman ? We could all start calling him Mr. Blake and see if he figures out why.