Texas State Wants To Move To Ia By 2014

PlummMeanGreen · December 1, 2007

Grand Green's post: I don't think the addition of another Bowl Division team in Texas would be a positive for NT.

IMO playing even at the lowest tier of the Bowl Division is much better than being in the Championship Division. Therefore I understand the desire for moving up, but that doesn't mean its a good thing for UNT. The fact is that Texas already has 10 BD teams and additional teams does significantly reduce the talent pool, particularly at the lower tier of BD. As far as the Belt, the last thing the conference needs is more start up teams. There is no opening in the conference unless some team leaves, more than 9 football teams makes little sense.

By the time any team can move up, the circumstances will be substantial difference. Until then I guess there will be continued attempts by schools to move up and in some cases initiate football programs. Maybe UTSA, Lamar, and UTA will start football programs and the whole Southland conference can move up to Bowl Division status. Then NT fans can celebrate they have 6 more BD teams to recruit and compete against in Texas plus another in Arkansas and three more in Louisiana.

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Grand Green's above post sorta' says it all...

Yet what the heck have some of you others been drinking or smoking during this holiday season? Sounds like a bad mix of the "North Texas is not worthy of being in the same neighborhood of all the schools we used to be in a conference with" sort of cocktail mix to me.

Why do some want to persevere more of the same kind of thinking that has forever kept our school basically in sleep mode most of my adult life and even before many of you younger dudes were born? Come on now, are yall really serious about re-forming what would basically be another 1-AA co-existance all over again and some of you doing so on this thread in the name of encouraging other schools to come join all the "we just can't do any better" mediocrity?

Does it not bother some of you who by the reading of some of this thread who seem to have now taken on a (seemed) new self-appointed role of UNT's newest modern day perservers of the same kind of mindsets or stinkin' thinkin' (thanks for that one, Zig) that has kept UNT in a freeze frame mode athletically for almost 30 years onw? This while some of us older alums quit counting long ago all the schools we used to be on an even level with that (somehow) passed UNT by as they all went up the NCAA D1-A food chain?

Why did all this low expectation business happen at our school in the first place is what NT Exes of all eras need to ask. Breaking the cycle of not allowing this to continue to happen is what we probably need as one of the first remedies of our deep sleep disease when it comes to advance (like most our Mo' Vally friends did years ago). This thread is more or less persevering the same ol' cycle of the "we po', proud and don't really deserve higher profile NCAA athletics" attitude we seem to have about our school's future as far as athletic endeavors are concerned.

Why start burning the barn down now to kill the mouse? ......................This new conference some of you are suggesting is (for a major league sports market school like UNT) an "athletic program killer of a mouse--what else could it be?

The conference a "few" suggested on this thread is just a re-construction of what amounts to being what we had while serving those 13 years in NCAA D1-AA prison--have yall already forgotten the pain of that? Were you even born?

Some of yall will never meet UNT alums who dropped out the day we announced we'd pull in all the sails, go into float mode and be a 1-AA football program. Bad alums dropped out back then? Maybe so, maybe not--are you the judge of such things as that--I'm not----just like I don't tell people they need to be in church or synagogue each Sunday or Sabbbath, either but maybe those UNT alums just expected more from North Texas than for our leaders back then to give up on having a new Cadillac but rather opting for a used Chevy (I-AA) instead. Going from the penthouse to the outhouse is never any fun and that is what we did in 1983 when we went to the NCAA 1-AA level, folks. (Look at similar schools like UNT who didn't drop to that level).

AGAIN.................Why do all this now (downsize all athletic expectations in Denton) when we (really, really do) have a 35-40,000 seat stadium on our horizon? Maybe not in the next 48 hours for this stadium, but we can't always control such things--o ye who seem to be control freaks on this board. YET.......do most of the schools yall mention in this thread even belong in a conference with any school that has a 35,000 seat stadium, least of all UNT? Uh........duh?

Do some now believe UNT is no longer good enough to try to emulate schools that used to be regulars on our football schedules in the 1960's and 1970's (and part of the 1980's)? But for some strange reason (insert sublimenal "UNT Basically Went Into Sleep Mode") we hit a big scheduling void of what used to be a usual staple of schools when such schools as Southern Miss, Memphis, Louisville, Houston, Cincinnati and others like them started getting replaced on our schedule with many of the schools a small handful of you now want UNT to be in bed with conference-wise?

So while your putting your "new conference" jigsaw puzzles together, why not use the schools that some of you used to profess you rather preferred UNT being in bed with as your puzzle pieces than some of the spares that if UNT were back in a league with (again) would all but put coffin nails on an upward bound aspiring football future at UNT.

Do we really want to be the 2'nd largest university in the state of Texas with the lowest expectations athletically, too? Sound like the very kind of thing that UNT fund-raisers would all start shopping their resume's as to get the hell out of Denton, to me

Oh, I forgot, you still have those tailgating BBQ's which some have all but made a religion but what if the league some of you seem to be suggesting on this thread actually happened. Would North Texas have a new well publicized phenomena whereas for future games in the LPC (Low Profile Conference) we observe that we now have more fans staying out in the parking during Game Time to than are inside our stadium--all 4 quarters!?!? That would not be what most of our alumnus body would call progress--I guarantee that. Can't you just see the DFW and Texas sports media having more fun kicking UNT around with that phenomena: "North Texas football has more who tailgate than actually go inside their stadium to watch football games since they (once again) went backwards with their athletic aspirations." ' In fact, the large the Denton school grows, the smaller some of its alums seem to want to compete."

So come on now you who would be guilty of scattering all these little no name school conference pieces of puzzles all over the place as to what you perceive to be UNT's future; you know, such a conference that would really, really mobilize our UNT masses to forever forget return trips to Denton once they graduated?

HINT: Let's get back to "N T" logo theme talk again or another shade of green for our unis' talk. It's a much safer subject than what is being suggested by a hardy few on this thread and.........10-15 years from now because the pool of schools being suggested did not happen, North Texas will have (perhaps) finally, finally, finally.................... stopped its over half century long roller athletic coaster ride of one giant step forward--3 giant steps backward.

UNT opened its doors for business in 1890 (not so long removed from Commanche & Kiowa massacres on our northern Texas ranches) but can we only hope that we of UNT are doing all this slowly & surely; you now--the right way :rolleyes: --unlike all those upstart Florida schools who rushed into the Big Time?