Wac To Get 4 Bowl Bids

SUMG · November 28, 2007

According to projections I'm reading:

Hawaii to the Sugar Bowl (New Orleans)

Fresno State to the Hawaii Bowl (Honolulu)

Nevada to the New Mexico Bowl (Albuquerque)

Boise State to Humanitarian Bowl (Boise)

Gotta give it to them....this year anyway.

DeepGreen · November 28, 2007

Boise State to Humanitarian Bowl (Boise)

Ah, yes. The Boise State Bowl. AKA, the Inhumane Bowl.

PlummMeanGreen · November 28, 2007

According to projections I'm reading:
Hawaii to the Sugar Bowl (New Orleans)
Fresno State to the Hawaii Bowl (Honolulu)
Nevada to the New Mexico Bowl (Albuquerque)
Boise State to Humanitarian Bowl (Boise)
Gotta give it to them....this year anyway.

:whistling1:

untbowler · November 28, 2007

only three team though if Hawaii tanks against WA and then goes to the Hawaii Bowl.

At least LTU will be hap;py with another 10th of a BCS check.

NT80 · November 28, 2007

Does NT really have an open invite to join the WAC? Would you trade? Could La Tech and NMSU become better rivals for us than Muts and WKU? BTW, we are playing a conference game in Miami Saturday, 1500+ miles away. :rolleyes:

GoMeanGreen1999 · November 28, 2007

Let's see - 4 teams from the WAC going bowling (way too many bowls) and the Belt will produce one maybe two......yea, I can see why so many of you don't want to make the jump, the WAC and Belt are basically even.....

If we have an invite, we should JUMP on it.

CMJ · November 28, 2007

Do you really think the WAC will get a BCS bid every year? Which one of those games would you think NT would play in if we were Bowl eligible. Typically Boise State plays in the Humanitarian and Hawaii plays in their home stadium. Should they be eligible - and no better deal comes along those 2 are out of the picture. How'd the Big West work out btw(with many of the same competitors)

This is such a tired and circular argument.

TheTastyGreek · November 28, 2007

Do you really think the WAC will get a BCS bid every year? Which one of those games would you think NT would play in if we were Bowl eligible. Typically Boise State plays in the Humanitarian and Hawaii plays in their home stadium. Should they be eligible - and no better deal comes along those 2 are out of the picture. How'd the Big West work out btw(with many of the same competitors)
This is such a tired and circular argument.

Keep fighting the flood of insanity. If it isn't baseball, it's the WAC. AGAIN.

The MAC is in at least 3 bowls, and CUSA is tied in to 5. So what?

Remind me again which conferences will be sending a 2 or 3 win team to a bowl this year?

None of them?

I suppose it really doesn't make a roach's ass worth of difference whether we're a 3 win team in the Belt or a 3 win team in the WAC. Aside from the travel expenses and reduced media coverage, I mean.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only Belt team ever to finish above .500 and not make a bowl was MTSU in 2001.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but each of these bowls that the WAC is tied-in on demand certain contractual guarantees (financial, appearance, tickets, etc.).

Wright Waters, the recently maligned man with the velvet merkin, has said repeatedly that once the Belt is consistently qualifying multiple teams for bowl eligibility, that's when it will start to make sense to secure contractual tie-ins to multiple bowls. Otherwise, the Sun Belt is financing a bowl appearance for some team from a different conference.

But what do I know. I'm not Hayden Fry, who made a very general statement that North Texas should leave the Sun Belt. Not that they should join the WAC, just that we should leave the Belt. Which is a great idea, so long as it's actually a great idea when the opportunity arises.

I'm not Rick Villarreal, either. He's the magic man who can do no wrong. He's the man who knows everything there is to know about what the WAC really offered us, what our financial bottom line is for UNT Athletics, what the consequences and risks of WAC membership are. Rick Villarreal said no.

Fry said "GO" (but not necessarily to the WAC).

Villarreal said "NO" (specifically to the WAC).

Considering the fact that RV has a much better and deeper knowledge of the present state of affairs in Denton, Texas, America than Hayden Fry... And Villarreal has got the vision that almost everyone claims to believe in... Why do so many non-young gun alums think they know how to run the Athletics Department better than he does, even though they don't have all the facts and figures available to him? If you're a believer in RV, wouldn't you believe that he knows how to mix risk and growth as intelligently as possible in pursuit of North Texas glory?

Y'know... this 3000 word multicolor/font/size posting stuff is kind of fun. Maybe I was wrong, and dick jokes aren't my true calling on GMG.com!

PlummMeanGreen · November 28, 2007

Keep fighting the flood of insanity. If it isn't baseball, it's the WAC. AGAIN.
The MAC is in at least 3 bowls, and CUSA is tied in to 5. So what?
Remind me again which conferences will be sending a 2 or 3 win team to a bowl this year?
None of them?
I suppose it really doesn't make a roach's ass worth of difference whether we're a 3 win team in the Belt or a 3 win team in the WAC. Aside from the travel expenses and reduced media coverage, I mean.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only Belt team ever to finish above .500 and not make a bowl was MTSU in 2001.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but each of these bowls that the WAC is tied-in on demand certain contractual guarantees (financial, appearance, tickets, etc.).
Wright Waters, the recently maligned man with the velvet merkin, has said repeatedly that once the Belt is consistently qualifying multiple teams for bowl eligibility, that's when it will start to make sense to secure contractual tie-ins to multiple bowls. Otherwise, the Sun Belt is financing a bowl appearance for some team from a different conference.
But what do I know. I'm not Hayden Fry, who made a very general statement that North Texas should leave the Sun Belt. Not that they should join the WAC, just that we should leave the Belt. Which is a great idea, so long as it's actually a great idea when the opportunity arises.
I'm not Rick Villarreal, either. He's the magic man who can do no wrong. He's the man who knows everything there is to know about what the WAC really offered us, what our financial bottom line is for UNT Athletics, what the consequences and risks of WAC membership are. Rick Villarreal said no.
Fry said "GO" (but not necessarily to the WAC).
Villarreal said "NO" (specifically to the WAC).
Considering the fact that RV has a much better and deeper knowledge of the present state of affairs in Denton, Texas, America than Hayden Fry... And Villarreal has got the vision that almost everyone claims to believe in... Why do so many non-young gun alums think they know how to run the Athletics Department better than he does, even though they don't have all the facts and figures available to him? If you're a believer in RV, wouldn't you believe that he knows how to mix risk and growth as intelligently as possible in pursuit of North Texas glory?
Y'know... this 3000 word multicolor/font/size posting stuff is kind of fun. Maybe I was wrong, and dick jokes aren't my true calling on GMG.com!

Jeez, TTG, how many UNT-oriented individuals and conference re-alignment theories can you back-hand slap in one post?!?!? :lol:

Also, with your own (obvious) feelings about this subject that really seems to have gotten in a few bloodstreams on this board, yet aren't you sorta' suggesting on the other side of the coin that you know whats best for UNT as well?

I don't think I've said it's the WAC or bust on any of these threads. I've just said lets look at the idea (more or less). I happen to know that no poster on GMG.com is going to set policy over at our dear alma mater's administration building, but I do know that there are campus officials who read this board (more often than some of them would admit) because they really have a desire to know what the UNT masses (of which GMG.com could be considereed a pretty good microcosm of UNT opinion) are thinking about what they are doing over there. Seems Bill Gates used to regularly visit his company's "grunt message board" from one article I read so I think we know how somebody as high up as Gates felt it important to know how the "little people" thought about what was happening at MicroSoft since it was the "little people" who helped him become one of the wealthiest men in the world.

quote from TTG: Y'know... this 3000 word multicolor/font/size posting stuff is kind of fun. Maybe I was wrong, and dick jokes aren't my true calling on GMG.com!

And I am really proud of your newfound usage of multi-color font/size posting stuff! I feel I had a little influence with that, eh? :thumbsup:

I don't know how Fry's quote (which he made at the Fish Fry) when he said "UNT needs to get out of the Sun Belt" could ever be called a general statement? What the heck is your idea of specific? I know you weren't around during the Fry era, but from all you know of the College Football Hall of Famer, do you really think Coach Fry would choose the SBC over the WAC looking at the NCAA D1-A landscape and how it is today? :huh:

Rick V probably has the toughest damn D1-A AD job in the entire country (and I told him so). Look at where his employer (UNT) has taken its athletic program for decades while a host of other schools who used to dominate past Mean Green football schedules (some of which we were even in leagues with) left us behind long, long ago as we choked on their "soon to be" high profile dust and while we kept doing our best to keep this thing small time in Denton, keep it at the level of how a former teacher's college athletic program should be run even in this new milleneum and while we mostly just keep Mean Green athletics barefoot, pregnant (so to speak) and land-locked over in West Denton while on budgets that would barely keep it on life support.

Rick V "HAS" done much to change many things for the better at dear ol' alma mater albeit he had to contend with one of the most anal retentive UNT BOR Chairman of the Board in our history, that is, one who for way too long was also trying to be our defacto Athletic Director (while he continued to take the lead in make decisions that IMHO kept and put North Texas in its present place). Hell, he even veto's a firing that Rick V made that many on this board fully supported Rick V for doing (if you all will recall that glaring fact). I had long time UNT alums telling me another year of DD Ball even back then and they were through with this program. I continued to relunctantly support DD until I just couldn't do so any longer post Tulsa-loss in 2005).

If you can't tell by now, I am a Rick V fan because of what he has tried to do at a school that has (non-stop) religously made decisions that would make us be the school who saw many of our past "football schedule-mates" leave us behind like we had some biblical disease or something. :ph34r:

UNT has a history of being damn good at making bad decisions in hiring and no decisions concerning an upwardly bound future. I can't think of any other school that has been in NCAA D1 longer than UNT that can beat us in that department to be honest. Can you--can anybody?

Speculatory with this, too, but there could be anywhere from 1 to 3 present SBC schools (not Texas-based UNT, folks--sorry) who may one day need to meet CUSA's eastern footprint in case they lose Memphis, East Caroline or whoever; but that is just speculation. But why not UNT take the position of being one step ahead when the next conference re-shuffle takes place (and it will) rather than our being 1 or 2 or 3 steps behind and not ready to wear the glass slipper for a change? Oh, I know--I forgot: "We po' but proud in MG Country." (Curses to the one who make that a too long-standing M.O. in Denton)!

If we continue sit idly by and stay happy with the SBC, we will soon find ourselves among other tradtional football powerhouse name schools like Western Kentucky (and if we get real lucky as a league) maybe even Georiga Southern has a Sun Belt future, too. All the while, the WAC could have the La Tech Bulldogs knocking on a BCS Championship Series Bowl Games heaven's door. How would such a scenario as that play among some of they Young Gun & Old Gun Alum nestors of the UNT commmunity, folks?

Edited November 28, 2007 by PlummMeanGreen