Todd Dodge Press Conference

ntsumgspe · October 9, 2007

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CaribbeanGreen · October 9, 2007

Did he really just say that about the early two-point conversion??? That he didn't regret the decision because "at some point we were going to have to go for two"...?!? Tell me I misunderstood that....

TheTastyGreek · October 9, 2007

Did he really just say that about the early two-point conversion??? That he didn't regret the decision because "at some point we were going to have to go for two"...?!? Tell me I misunderstood that....

Be patient!

The Press Conference is Just Beginning!!!!

GoMeanGreen1999 · October 9, 2007

Did he really just say that about the early two-point conversion??? That he didn't regret the decision because "at some point we were going to have to go for two"...?!? Tell me I misunderstood that....

I thought I misunderstood it, and then I read your question, so I guess he really did say that.

UNTflyer · October 9, 2007

Did he really just say that about the early two-point conversion??? That he didn't regret the decision because "at some point we were going to have to go for two"...?!? Tell me I misunderstood that....

Maybe he was certain our kicker would miss again.... <_<

GoMeanGreen1999 · October 9, 2007

Did he really just say that about the early two-point conversion??? That he didn't regret the decision because "at some point we were going to have to go for two"...?!? Tell me I misunderstood that....

I joined it right as he was giving this answer - what did he say about the defense before this answer?

CaribbeanGreen · October 9, 2007

I joined it right as he was giving this answer - what did he say about the defense before this answer?

I did the exact same thing... came in as he was answering the previous question, and missed any defense talk... just very flawed 2-pt. conversion logic, QB talk, and "winning at home" talk.

GoMeanGreen1999 · October 9, 2007

just very flawed 2-pt. conversion logic

Stressing the "very" part of that.

good_ken · October 9, 2007

TD is a gambler. I thoguht the 2-pt conversion made perfect sense as we had just gone for every 4th down conversion laid before us.

TD coaches a riskier game thatn DD did. It's his nature. These calculated risks will win us some games; but they also may lose some games.

I am confortable with those odds, as for the first time in a long time we are playing to win.

The Fake Lonnie Finch · October 9, 2007

Dodge was probably just trying to relive the good old days at Southlake when they could go for two at any point during a ball game. Perhaps by the end of the year he'll realize there are experienced college coaches on the other sideline who are coaching rosters full scholarship athletes to oppose his team.

Or, maybe he won't. Right now, it's getting harder to tell as the season progresses.

CaribbeanGreen · October 9, 2007

TD is a gambler. I thoguht the 2-pt conversion made perfect sense as we had just gone for every 4th down conversion laid before us.
TD coaches a riskier game thatn DD did. It's his nature. These calculated risks will win us some games; but they also may lose some games.
I am confortable with those odds, as for the first time in a long time we are playing to win.

But I think it's more what he said... he said he didn't regret going for two so early in the game because it was 14-12 and "we'd have to go for two at some point in the game, so why not do it now?".... which is completely false on any level. I think going for 4th and short near midfield and in opponent's territory is a whole lot different than passing up a PAT to go for two.. with more than half of the game to go.

Don't get me wrong, I still support Dodge and all, I just wonder if this was poorly worded or a feeble defense of his decision.

The Fake Lonnie Finch · October 9, 2007

Exactly. The thing that perhaps people are missing - (and maybe Dodge?) - is that having the one point prevents what happened to us ultimately in the game: us chasing nine point deficits instead of eight point deficits. You can overcome an eight point deficit with one TD and two-point conversion. Chasing nine has you needing two scores no matter what you choose to do after TDs later in the game.

If it's 14-12 with time dwindling down in the fourth quarter, going for two is one thing. It's completely different when it's just the second quarter and there is a whole half of football yet to be played, and with any outcome possible.

Edited October 9, 2007 by The Fake Lonnie Finch

MeanMag · October 9, 2007

Exactly. The thing that perhaps people are missing - (and maybe Dodge?) - is that having the one point prevents what happened to us ultimately in the game: us chasing nine point deficits instead of eight point deficits. You can overcome an eight point deficit with one TD and two-point conversion. Chasing nine has you needing two scores no matter what you choose to do after TDs later in the game.
If it's 14-12 with time dwindling down in the fourth quarter, going for two is one thing. It's completely different when it's just the second quarter and there is a whole half of football yet to be played, and with any outcome possible.

It also implies that you don't expect to score more than the other team. Or that you don't trust your defense.

Eagle1855 · October 9, 2007

Exactly. The thing that perhaps people are missing - (and maybe Dodge?) - is that having the one point prevents what happened to us ultimately in the game: us chasing nine point deficits instead of eight point deficits. You can overcome an eight point deficit with one TD and two-point conversion. Chasing nine has you needing two scores no matter what you choose to do after TDs later in the game.
If it's 14-12 with time dwindling down in the fourth quarter, going for two is one thing. It's completely different when it's just the second quarter and there is a whole half of football yet to be played, and with any outcome possible.

agreed, this frustrated me most of the game. tis much better to wait til the end of the game to go for two, then BOTH teams feel the pressure.

oh well, wouldnt have mattered much anyways when your d gives up a 70 yd TD run in the closing minutes...

Monkeypox · October 9, 2007

i can't add anything other than:

agreed. going for two that early in that situation is stupid, and hurt us in this game.

GoMeanGreen1999 · October 9, 2007

Exactly. The thing that perhaps people are missing - (and maybe Dodge?) - is that having the one point prevents what happened to us ultimately in the game: us chasing nine point deficits instead of eight point deficits. You can overcome an eight point deficit with one TD and two-point conversion. Chasing nine has you needing two scores no matter what you choose to do after TDs later in the game.
If it's 14-12 with time dwindling down in the fourth quarter, going for two is one thing. It's completely different when it's just the second quarter and there is a whole half of football yet to be played, and with any outcome possible.

Completely agree. It's not just Dodge though - there seems to be a lot of coaches that don't know the right and wrong times as to when to go for the 2. Case in point, the Mich/App St game. If Carr simply kicks the extra point at the end of the 3rd quarter, then all he has to do is kick the extra point in the 4th quarter and they have a tie game going into OT at 34-34.

GoMeanGreen1999 · October 9, 2007

It also implies that you don't expect to score more than the other team. Or that you don't trust your defense.

Boy he sure proved this theory when he went for 4th down on what 6 or 7 times?

GabeGMG · October 9, 2007

I'm not too concerned...I think TD was just a little overconfident in the play he called. I doubt we'll see him do this again in the future.

ntsumgspe · October 9, 2007

I don't believe that Coach Dodge was gambling at all, he was just going by the famous 2pt conversion chart ... http://www.normhitzges.com/thechart.htm

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MeanMag · October 9, 2007

I don't believe that Coach Dodge was gambling at all, he was just going by the famous 2pt conversion chart ... http://www.normhitzges.com/thechart.htm
GO MEAN GREEN !!!

I don't really know why someone would go for 2 if they were 10 points behind.

GreenN'walinsVet · October 9, 2007

I don't really know why someone would go for 2 if they were 10 points behind.

you go for two when down by ten, because an extra point would put you 9 down and thus forced to score twice, where as two points gets you to 8 and a chance on one score

GabeGMG · October 9, 2007

edit: ^----what he said.

Edited October 9, 2007 by GabeGMG

MeanMag · October 9, 2007

you go for two when down by ten, because an extra point would put you 9 down and thus forced to score twice, where as two points gets you to 8 and a chance on one score

Ah, yes. I was thinking down by ten, a TD and a conversion leaves you down 2. wasn't even thinking about using this chart AFTER the score.

Just thought of it differently, I'm retarded.

NT80 · October 10, 2007

It made no difference to the outcome of the game. Letting the Cajuns get the long run near the end and make the FG is what sealed it for them, not the 2-point miss. I have no problem with him going for 2 early to make up for the missed extra point.

Cr1028 · October 10, 2007

It made no difference to the outcome of the game. Letting the Cajuns get the long run near the end and make the FG is what sealed it for them, not the 2-point miss. I have no problem with him going for 2 early to make up for the missed extra point.

I agree. If we had been successful we wouldn't hear all of this complaining. I trust in Coach Dodge and his decisions.