#6 South Florida Bulls, Revisited....

PlummMeanGreen · October 3, 2007

I was thinking it would be more of a pissing match.

(I'll help Cerebus out on this one): All male members shall remain cloaked and in tact, please.

But I do like what you said in one of your aforementioned post about TDodge, Coach.

With our cross-town sister school Texas Womens University just last week announcing T. Boone Pickens has just forked over $5 million to their school, I just have to continue to think there will be some Bigger Bucks forthcoming for UNT (from a T. Boone Pickens clone perhaps) and that money...

...to be used for what will probably be one of the Top 3 facilities our alma mater would have built in the last 50 or so years (and that edifice which will rise like the Phoenix off that rolling Texas prairie located between those 2 Texas interstates and what we call.............the Mean Green Village).

GMG!

Edited October 3, 2007 by PlummMeanGreen

The Fake Lonnie Finch · October 3, 2007

I know Bennett doesn't get $1.2 Mil but he's not lacking much else and he has plenty of skins on the wall and he's more than likely gone after this season.
Rick

True. But, I still think there is a world of difference between the type of program you can have a USF, a public school, and SMU, a private school with a history of NCAA problems. I would also argue that the Kansas State defenses under the Leavitt/Stoops co-defensive coordinator era were better than those coached by Bennett.

Sadly, I like Bennett personally and like SMU to some degree. A guy I grew up with is one of the coaches on Bennett's coaching staff (hope he's enjoying his final season). My mom is friends with Gerald Turner's wife. And, my sister went to grad school at SMU.

For better or worse, athletically speaking, SMU's President (Turner) has committed to academics over athletics. While many people say they want that, that it's laudable, etc...when the rubber hits the road, no one is opening the game program to see what a guy's GPA is. Bennett and any other coach that follows him will always have that to overcome at SMU.

As for us, I just don't see how state schools like USF and UCF get more and pay more than we can. We're also public. We're also in a big state with a high population. Something just doesn't ever seem to add up when you look at what happens with our athletics.

Look at the other schools and what they pay and their upgrades. Houston is ahead of us. TCU pays their coach more and has upgraded what they can of their stadium. Texas Tech expands and gets a name coach from the college ranks seven years ago.

I've posted this theory before, and I think it's true - UNT simply doesn't have enough political muscle in the state of Texas to get things done easily. And, not just in athletics. It took a while to get an engineering school. For no good reason, people oppose us getting a law school (as someone with a law degree, I'd love to have UNT get a law school going). We just don't have the clout it seems like other schools have.

It was nothing but pure politics that put Baylor and Texas Tech in the Big 12. Baylor!

Anyway. We all want what happens at Boise, USF, Louisville, etc. The thing is, for a variety of reasons, those is high places for us just don't seem to be able to get it done.

As far as Todd Dodge goes, I hope he succeeds, but deep down inside, especially after watching the confusion on defense, I wonder whether he was really hired to seriously get the program winning again, or whether it was a desperate publicity stunt. As Howard Schnelleberger said, "The only variable is time." Only time will tell. If he fails, it'll look like nothing more than a publicity stunt. And, even if he succeeds and moves on, we'll be stuck looking for the next thing.

I don't know. As a UNT grad, it's just tough to digest it all sometimes.

Edited October 3, 2007 by The Fake Lonnie Finch

nautique · October 4, 2007

As far as Todd Dodge goes, I hope he succeeds, but deep down inside, especially after watching the confusion on defense, I wonder whether he was really hired to seriously get the program winning again, or whether it was a desperate publicity stunt. As Howard Schnelleberger said, "The only variable is time." Only time will tell. If he fails, it'll look like nothing more than a publicity stunt. And, even if he succeeds and moves on, we'll be stuck looking for the next thing.
I don't know. As a UNT grad, it's just tough to digest it all sometimes.

The Fake has spoken. We now know what TD and the University will do in the future.

NT80 · October 4, 2007

I've posted this theory before, and I think it's true - UNT simply doesn't have enough political muscle in the state of Texas to get things done easily. And, not just in athletics. It took a while to get an engineering school. For no good reason, people oppose us getting a law school (as someone with a law degree, I'd love to have UNT get a law school going). We just don't have the clout it seems like other schools have.

Isn't that what we hired Chancellor Lee Jackson for? He seems mostly aloof to athletic events too. <_<

Edited October 4, 2007 by NT80

MCMLXXX · October 4, 2007

NT hired Lee Jackson, in my opinion, because of the success of John Montford at Tech. Jackson is no Montford. Bataille will prove to be a better hire. We do get political help from Sen. Royce West (a former UTA football player) who supports the law school creation and the formation of UNT Dallas. In addition Sen. Jane Nelson from Denton County is a UNT grad and supports programs. I know that congressman Michael Burgess also has helped with research funding and has two degrees from UNT. We probably have more clout than we have ever had, but we are still behind other schools and battling

for limited funds.

PlummMeanGreen · October 4, 2007

NT hired Lee Jackson, in my opinion, because of the success of John Montford at Tech. Jackson is no Montford. Bataille will prove to be a better hire. We do get political help from Sen. Royce West (a former UTA football player) who supports the law school creation and the formation of UNT Dallas. In addition Sen. Jane Nelson from Denton County is a UNT grad and supports programs. I know that congressman Michael Burgess also has helped with research funding and has two degrees from UNT. We probably have more clout than we have ever had, but we are still behind other schools and battling
for limited funds.

Was it Texas Tech's Montford who spear-headed the $20 million cash gift from (formerly) SBC Communications for, uh, the "remodeling and expansion" of Jones Stadium, the Red Raiders football stadium? Whoever it was, it was quite a coup for Tech and one I often wondered why we could not duplicate a similar donation in Denton.

CaribbeanGreen · October 4, 2007

Well, looks like Nick Saban has a clear opinion of why USF is successful. Wow.

MCMLXXX · October 4, 2007

Was it Texas Tech's Montford who spear-headed the $20 million cash gift from (formerly) SBC Communications for, uh, the "remodeling and expansion" of Jones Stadium, the Red Raiders football stadium? Whoever it was, it was quite a coup for Tech and one I often wondered why we could not duplicate a similar donation in Denton.

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