Vick Is A 'dog Killer'

[UNTflyer]

AUGUST 17--Ratcheting up the pressure on Michael Vick, two of the NFL star's cohorts today pleaded guilty to federal dogfighting charges, leaving the athlete alone--at least for the time being--to face trial. During an appearance this morning in U.S. District Court in Richmond, Virginia, Quanis Phillips and Purnell Peace each copped to a felony conspiracy rap and signed plea agreements pledging to cooperate with federal investigators. In nearly identical fact summaries, both Phillips and Peace stated that the dogfighting ring's "operation and gambling monies were almost exclusively funded by Vick." Additionally, both men fingered Vick in the execution earlier this year of about eight dogs that performed poorly in test fighting sessions. Phillips and Peace each told investigators that Vick participated in killing the dogs, which were hung or drowned, and that the animals "died as a result of the collective efforts" of the trio.

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I say no plea deal for Vick. Sick and disturbing people like this need to go away for a long, long time.

[Bryan316]

I love how his posse has sold him down the river.

[KingDL1]

AUGUST 17--Ratcheting up the pressure on Michael Vick, two of the NFL star's cohorts today pleaded guilty to federal dogfighting charges, leaving the athlete alone--at least for the time being--to face trial. During an appearance this morning in U.S. District Court in Richmond, Virginia, Quanis Phillips and Purnell Peace each copped to a felony conspiracy rap and signed plea agreements pledging to cooperate with federal investigators. In nearly identical fact summaries, both Phillips and Peace stated that the dogfighting ring's "operation and gambling monies were almost exclusively funded by Vick." Additionally, both men fingered Vick in the execution earlier this year of about eight dogs that performed poorly in test fighting sessions. Phillips and Peace each told investigators that Vick participated in killing the dogs, which were hung or drowned, and that the animals "died as a result of the collective efforts" of the trio.

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I say no plea deal for Vick. Sick and disturbing people like this need to go away for a long, long time.

You know at pounds around the country they execute Dogs daily, many greyhound racers put their dogs down. Dog fighting is legal in most third world countries. Not to say Vick is not a criminal.

[Buford_Julep]

You know at pounds around the country they execute Dogs daily, many greyhound racers put their dogs down. Dog fighting is legal in most third world countries. Not to say Vick is not a criminal.

Agreed. I love my dog and think that if Vick is guilty he should be punished. But, he shouldn't be locked up for years.

Edited August 18, 2007 by Buford_Julep

[greenminer]

sigh.

and where was all this press to see off PETA employees for euthenasia malpractice (I can't think of a better term)?

Vick needs to get what he deserves as determined by law, and not used by PETA as some sick poster child.

Edited August 18, 2007 by greenminer

[UNTflyer]

...If Vick is guilty he should be punished. But, he shouldn't be locked up for years.

Make up your mind.

[Bryan316]

In my view, there's a difference between "humanely" (lethal injection) putting animals down because there isn't the physical space to keep every stray in hopes that someone will eventually adopt them, and how Vick and his cronies killed their dogs because they didn't fight hard enough.

[UNTflyer]

In my view, there's a difference between "humanely" (lethal injection) putting animals down because there isn't the physical space to keep every stray in hopes that someone will eventually adopt them, and how Vick and his cronies killed their dogs because they didn't fight hard enough.

Don't worry Bryan... most normal people feel the same.

[KingDL1]

Because most people don't put any thought in to it, lots of animals taken to the pound are taken there because they don't make good pets, and strays for that matter become strays because someone dumped an unwanted pet. The difference ends up being very little. Humanely is a matter of perspective, I grew up hearing stories of how people used to get rid of unwanted puppies and kittens by throwing them in the lake in a weighted sack. Is lethal injection any better? In the country on many ranches and farms animals are put down all the time, and many times that means a bullet to the head.

I hunt with a rifle for deer, every fall I head shoot a few because I don't want to chase them down, and I like cleaning them better. But I have been on many hunts where someone did not shoot well and only wounded the deer. Long nights tracking down wounded deer following blood trails. Farmers are given permission in some counties to gut shoot deer and let the deer crawl off to die and rot, so that large populations of deer don't eat them blind. The deer may not die and end up maimed. We have had deer shot that have been shot before. Is deer and dogs that big a difference? Does the dog have to be wild?

Don't get me wrong I like dogs a lot, but in the end dogs are just animals.

Edited August 19, 2007 by KingDL1

[Coach]

Why are you trying to justify the horrible things he did? Just curious.

[KingDL1]

Why are you trying to justify the horrible things he did? Just curious.

No just that there are more important things and much worse things, and believe it or not dogs are just animals. After all the press you would think Vick was a mass murderer. In Texas cock fighting and Dog fighting are pretty common if you know where to look.

No, I have not been to either, but I delivered in areas of south dallas and grand prairie when I was a UPS driver and I saw the birds and was told I should go to both from a variety of different customers. Understand that in a large part of the world this is legal. But greyhound racing is legal in the USA, many of those dogs still get destroyed when they aren't good for racing anymore. I guess I don't really see how that is different.

[Coach]

The fact that there are worse crimes, or that it is legal in some third world countries doesn't lessen what he did. Are we supposed to say "hey, he isn't a child molester, he can't be so bad after all" or "it's legal in Afghanistan, what's the big deal?".

[KingDL1]

The fact that there are worse crimes, or that it is legal in some third world countries doesn't lessen what he did. Are we supposed to say "hey, he isn't a child molester, he can't be so bad after all" or "it's legal in Afghanistan, what's the big deal?".

What are you telling me there is real difference between running dogs to death, and killing them in Dog Racing then this? I don't think Vick is a horrible person because he ran dog fighting. No more then the people that run dog racing. Too much energy is binging spent on this and that means money. Put the money into anything else.

I am not promoting what he did but I do not think it is as big of a deal as people are making it, to me it boils down to illegal gambling.

I think he is a dumb-ass. But if we kicked all the dumb-asses out of pro football would we still have enough players to play?

If this was cock fighting it would not be nearly as big a deal.

[Coach]

If a popular starting NFL quarterback was accused of being involved in illegal dog racing and animal cruelty, it would be a big story as well, and I would feel the same way about it.

No, cock fighting wouldn't be the same, because chickens aren't mans best friend, don't live in houses and are considered members of the family to many.

I don't understand how the accusations could not be disturbing on some level to anyone who has heard or read them.

[JayDub]

If this was cock fighting it would not be nearly as big a deal.

While you have a point here...right or wrong, we as humans consider dogs and cats to be companions with their own feelings. Therefore, dogs and cats will always be looked upon differently than the birds used in cockfighting. That's just how it is.

Sure, strays and racing dogs are put down everyday, but it is done in a humane and, if you want to call it this, dignified manner. The employees of the local pound aren't getting their jollies from drowning and hanging dogs just because they don't perform well. Knowing owners of racing dogs...a large percentage of those dogs, more of often than not, are retired and become pets. Sure, some of them are destroyed, but usually euthanized humanely and not brutally destroyed for the owners' amusement.

That's the key thing here. All of this was done for the enjoyment and amusement of Vick and his "homies". I don't understand how anyone can even begin to defend it. I think Corby Davidson said it best last week on The Ticket. "I don't want to hear about how you grew up with this and this is part of your culture. You are trash. It's white trash and it's black trash participating this stuff...and there is no middle ground."

The worst America has to offer is what is participating in this so-called "sport" and, while I understand the logic behind Tony's arguments here (and know that he is not defending Vick's actions), actually defending these actions makes one look pretty bad.

[meangreendork]

Vick should probably get the standard set of punishments for the various charges he's looking at...nothing more, nothing less. Let's not go Paris Hilton on this subject.

[KingDL1]

If a popular starting NFL quarterback was accused of being involved in illegal dog racing and animal cruelty, it would be a big story as well, and I would feel the same way about it.

No, cock fighting wouldn't be the same, because chickens aren't mans best friend, don't live in houses and are considered members of the family to many.

I don't understand how the accusations could not be disturbing on some level to anyone who has heard or read them.

Not everyone see dogs as man's best friend.

Not all dogs make good pets either, so as long as you are not messing with my dogs I am fine.

You do realize it is a matter of prepective, there maybe some chicken lovers out there.

I ought to get the the stone cold fact sheet from a friend on mine that is in an adopt a greyhound foundation, she showed me some of the pictures and facts from greyhound racing that make Vick look like a saint.

Greyhound Racing

[KingDL1]

While you have a point here...right or wrong, we as humans consider dogs and cats to be companions with their own feelings. Therefore, dogs and cats will always be looked upon differently than the birds used in cockfighting. That's just how it is.

Sure, strays and racing dogs are put down everyday, but it is done in a humane and, if you want to call it this, dignified manner. The employees of the local pound aren't getting their jollies from drowning and hanging dogs just because they don't perform well. Knowing owners of racing dogs...a large percentage of those dogs, more of often than not, are retired and become pets. Sure, some of them are destroyed, but usually euthanized humanely and not brutally destroyed for the owners' amusement.

That's the key thing here. All of this was done for the enjoyment and amusement of Vick and his "homies". I don't understand how anyone can even begin to defend it. I think Corby Davidson said it best last week on The Ticket. "I don't want to hear about how you grew up with this and this is part of your culture. You are trash. It's white trash and it's black trash participating this stuff...and there is no middle ground."

The worst America has to offer is what is participating in this so-called "sport" and, while I understand the logic behind Tony's arguments here (and know that he is not defending Vick's actions), actually defending these actions makes one look pretty bad.

Thanks man, and no I don't really care what happens to Vick. And no I am not condoning any of it I just think as a nation we have our priorities a little out of whack.

I have been to a bunch of counties, and I believe people miss out on their cultures and assume values are the same across the board. But few keep pets like Americans, and we may feel like it is human thing to do but many don't. The real big problem is in the influx of aliens legal or not who see this topic completely different. A person that works for me from the Philippines said they had dog fights every weekend in her town, and could not believe we did not have better things to worry about.

[eulesseagle]

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[Coach]

I'm confused, you are saying it is wrong, but think it is a waste of time and money, and an example of misplaced priorities to prosecute those caught doing it?

[JayDub]

I'm confused, you are saying it is wrong, but think it is a waste of time and money, and an example of misplaced priorities to prosecute those caught doing it?

Upon further reading, I think what Tony is saying is that there are much bigger problems in this world that the media could be concentrating on than some ghetto-trash NFL QB and his posse's involvement in illegal dogfighting. The same can be said for the daily coverage of Lindsey Lohan in rehab AGAIN and the daily coverage of Paris Hilton's bowel movements.

However, in this case, I personally believe the coverage (to a certain extent) is warranted because it sheds light on an American sub-culture that needs to be dealt with.

[Coach]

There is no doubt the only reason we are talking about it is the celebrity status of who is being prosecuted, and there are certainly more pressing issues in the world. But that doesn't validate the defending of the actions.

[KingDL1]

There is no doubt the only reason we are talking about it is the celebrity status of who is being prosecuted, and there are certainly more pressing issues in the world. But that doesn't validate the defending of the actions.

Hey I am not trying to defend Vick's actions.

I just don't put dogs in general that high up on a pedestal.

Moreover just because I think something is wrong does not mean it needs to be punishable by jail time, heavy fines would work fine for me.

[UNTflyer]

Thanks man, and no I don't really care what happens to Vick. And no I am not condoning any of it I just think as a nation we have our priorities a little out of whack.

I have been to a bunch of counties, and I believe people miss out on their cultures and assume values are the same across the board. But few keep pets like Americans, and we may feel like it is human thing to do but many don't. The real big problem is in the influx of aliens legal or not who see this topic completely different. A person that works for me from the Philippines said they had dog fights every weekend in her town, and could not believe we did not have better things to worry about.

We do have a lot of better things to worry about, but it's not like the federal government is spending all their resources on one guy. In America, dog fighting is illegal in every state. The only reason the feds are involved is because Vick's dogfighting business crossed state lines. And of course, Vick being a high profile guy will certainly draw press coverage. It's like the difference between a murdering thug pimp bookie from south Chicago and John Gotti. They are essentially guilty of the same crimes, but Gotti got more press.

And really... The Phillipines??? Who cares what they think of our culture? The fact that dogfighting is so common over there just convinces me their opinion is of little significance.

[KingDL1]

And really... The Phillipines??? Who cares what they think of our culture? The fact that dogfighting is so common over there just convinces me their opinion is of little significance.

I don't care what they think other then they are moving here, there are countless minorities moving in to this country and bringing their cultures with them.