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emmitt01 · July 24, 2007

So are we to assume that CVS is impervious to loitering by "that crowd"? I'm not so sure it was the businesses or "the old dilapidated buildings" that attracts the "crowd" I think much has to do with the fact that the corner is located across the street from a major liberal arts university.

I disagree completely. Major chain businesses with corporate attitudes won't tolerate miscreants on their front stoop. The Tomato and the like, with their "come one come all...no matter how weird" attitudes did.

NCMeanGreen · July 24, 2007

Sorry, had to add:

THAT is what our new uniforms need...MORE FLARE!!! :clapping:

GreenMachine · July 24, 2007

So are we to assume that CVS is impervious to loitering by "that crowd"? I'm not so sure it was the businesses or "the old dilapidated buildings" that attracts the "crowd" I think much has to do with the fact that the corner is located across the street from a major liberal arts university.

Lots of different type business on all corners of our univerisity that aren't loitered by "that crowd". Gotta agree w/Emmitt on this one.

Censored by Laurie · July 24, 2007

I would have like to have seen the buildings saved also, but the "graffiti paint jobs on most of them and the remaining ones across Fry from the old Tomato spot are ridiculous. That is poor planning to allow those buildings to be painted that was.
The aesthetic and crowd associated with Fry Street is burned out hippies and all that goes with them. That is the perception in the Metroplex.

Creativity and artistic expression are ridiculous? I guess everything should've just been beige. As for perception...and as the voice of the metroplex...whats the perception of 4th and 6th streets in Austin? Fry St. fair was an appeal around 2001 and ruined by both the Delta Lodge and the city but was well known.

And I am extremely glad that "aesthetic and crowd" now need to find a new place to be useless.

Maybe they could become Dallas cops and learn to plant fake drugs on people and cost the city 6 million in lawsuits...would that make them less useless? The only people I ever had issue with were the 16-18 year old high school kids on the streets...and that responsibility falls at the feet of the parents. The street performers and the smoky treats guy never bothered anybody and is something that you will find in any major city or large town across the country...and are often embraced.

Thats giving way to much credit to Fry street, most people in DFW don't even know it exists. As far as the businesses being able to make it time will tell, but but from what I saw, from a retail real estate view point you are misinformed as to how successful they were.
As Far as how clean it is, I guess I need some of the cool-aide to see it for more than I do. The nicest part is the stripe where the Tavern is, that parking lot between the buildings is a hole, the inferno is a hole and so on. Good grief its not that big of an area.

What is it that you saw that led you to believe these business were struggling? The expanded porches at TJ's...the renovated dart room and rooftop projection screen at Cool Beans, or the new porch and 15 plasma TVs at Lou's? Or maybe it was the over-flowing crowds 5-7 nights a week at all of these places?

And are you seriously making complaints about a parking lot? When I go to the Mavs games I park in places much worse than that...I guess that means that Victory Park is in its decline...better add a pharmacy...and just because you personally may feel more comfortable with the Tavern and Side Bar crowd doesn't make it the nicest part of the Fry St. area. Lou's and Riprocks have the most to offer in terms of bar entertainment, beverage selection and seating (inside and out).

GreenTiger_OriginalAcct · July 24, 2007

The successful businesses will continue to thrive in new locations. They were given the option to take up quarters in the new buildings and turned it down so a rent increase was apparently out of the question. I believe that most of the students that live on and around campus (esp. those without cars) will benefit from the CVS and the other stores. Having a drug store (based on CBL comments on cops - I need to point out a drug store of the legal variety for that user's benefit) for scripts and other medications will be a good thing.

Nice to see that generalizations are out of bounds for some but fair game to those that don't appreciate them. Hmm?

adman · July 24, 2007

I disagree completely. Major chain businesses with corporate attitudes won't tolerate miscreants on their front stoop. The Tomato and the like, with their "come one come all...no matter how weird" attitudes did.

I hear what your saying and I suppose time will tell but I really don't think the area will be washed clean of them. As far as major chain businesses and corporate attitudes not tolerating them I'm not sure it matters. Does the sidewalk belong to CVS? Can the kids not just walk over to Copy Pro? Isn't there going to be a "promenade" through the center of this new development? What will keep them from being there? Will the corporations hire Pinkertons to crack skulls of those they deem undesirable? (Could be tough to differentiate)

UNTflyer · July 24, 2007

It may end up being a beautiful shopping center...but it doesn't belong there...it belongs in Rayzor Ranch...it belongs on south 288. The businesses that were forced out were not unsuccessful businesses and the city should've stepped in and dictate that the usable buildings and practical businesses stay.

"The city should have stepped in and dictated..."

Is this still America?

KingDL1 · July 24, 2007

Creativity and artistic expression are ridiculous? I guess everything should've just been beige. As for perception...and as the voice of the metroplex...whats the perception of 4th and 6th streets in Austin? Fry St. fair was an appeal around 2001 and ruined by both the Delta Lodge and the city but was well known.
Maybe they could become Dallas cops and learn to plant fake drugs on people and cost the city 6 million in lawsuits...would that make them less useless? The only people I ever had issue with were the 16-18 year old high school kids on the streets...and that responsibility falls at the feet of the parents. The street performers and the smoky treats guy never bothered anybody and is something that you will find in any major city or large town across the country...and are often embraced.
What is it that you saw that led you to believe these business were struggling? The expanded porches at TJ's...the renovated dart room and rooftop projection screen at Cool Beans, or the new porch and 15 plasma TVs at Lou's? Or maybe it was the over-flowing crowds 5-7 nights a week at all of these places?
And are you seriously making complaints about a parking lot? When I go to the Mavs games I park in places much worse than that...I guess that means that Victory Park is in its decline...better add a pharmacy...and just because you personally may feel more comfortable with the Tavern and Side Bar crowd doesn't make it the nicest part of the Fry St. area. Lou's and Riprocks have the most to offer in terms of bar entertainment, beverage selection and seating (inside and out).

Well you really need to pay attention to the details, the parking lots at the arena are very nice. but if that is what you like fine. I am in the retail real estate business and my conclusions were not based on appearances. And adding a porch is not a major renovation in the retail market.

In the end the the market will determine what happens to the rest of Fry street.

But please I hope beyond hope we can all agree that Fouts Field needs to go.

meangreendork · July 24, 2007

Well you really need to pay attention to the details, the parking lots at the arena are very nice. but if that is what you like fine. I am in the retail real estate business and my conclusions were not based on appearances. And adding a porch is not a major renovation in the retail market.
In the end the the market will determine what happens to the rest of Fry street.
But please I hope beyond hope we can all agree that Fouts Field needs to go.

Yes, I think we all know that Fouts is like your first car...beat-up and old, and as much as you love it, it's not gonna last much longer.

UNTflyer · July 24, 2007

In the end the the market will determine what happens to the rest of Fry street.

Wow!! What a bold and radical concept!!!

:ph34r:

untjim1995 · July 24, 2007

Creativity and artistic expression are ridiculous? I guess everything should've just been beige. As for perception...and as the voice of the metroplex...whats the perception of 4th and 6th streets in Austin? Fry St. fair was an appeal around 2001 and ruined by both the Delta Lodge and the city but was well known.
Maybe they could become Dallas cops and learn to plant fake drugs on people and cost the city 6 million in lawsuits...would that make them less useless? The only people I ever had issue with were the 16-18 year old high school kids on the streets...and that responsibility falls at the feet of the parents. The street performers and the smoky treats guy never bothered anybody and is something that you will find in any major city or large town across the country...and are often embraced.
What is it that you saw that led you to believe these business were struggling? The expanded porches at TJ's...the renovated dart room and rooftop projection screen at Cool Beans, or the new porch and 15 plasma TVs at Lou's? Or maybe it was the over-flowing crowds 5-7 nights a week at all of these places?
And are you seriously making complaints about a parking lot? When I go to the Mavs games I park in places much worse than that...I guess that means that Victory Park is in its decline...better add a pharmacy...and just because you personally may feel more comfortable with the Tavern and Side Bar crowd doesn't make it the nicest part of the Fry St. area. Lou's and Riprocks have the most to offer in terms of bar entertainment, beverage selection and seating (inside and out).

I'm relatively new to this board as a poster, but have been an avid reader for a long time. I can only imagine what Emmitt is thinking right now--buddy, I don't know you, but I have a feeling that we may see a retort fairly soon on being a Dallas cop. I am certain that Emmitt is more like the 99% of our police force out there--honorable and forthright. What he doesn't deserve is to be thrown in with a bad-cop story from years ago. That's pathetic.

EagleChick03 · July 24, 2007

Before this thread got ridiculously off topic, someone asked what else it was that was torn down. Bagheri's. I loved this place before it turned into a freakin hookah lounge. If you have not yet been to Denton to see what Fry Street looks like you really should go. I didn't think it would have an effect on me but I actually got tears in my eyes!! It is not the same place and it won't ever be. No matter if you hated Fry Street while you were in school or loved it, we can all agree what we once had there will never be again.

Censored by Laurie · July 24, 2007

"The city should have stepped in and dictated..."
Is this still America?

Well you really need to pay attention to the details, the parking lots at the arena are very nice. but if that is what you like fine. I am in the retail real estate business and my conclusions were not based on appearances. And adding a porch is not a major renovation in the retail market.
In the end the the market will determine what happens to the rest of Fry street.
But please I hope beyond hope we can all agree that Fouts Field needs to go.

During the mid to late 1970's building space in the Deep Ellum area bottomed out at around $2-$5 per square foot and many artists and small businesses moved in and revitalized an historically significant area...land speculation quickly followed as the Deep Ellum area is right next to downtown and was prime real estate to expand the downtown skyline. Admist discussion and protest, the city stepped in and formulated a plan known as The Near-Eastside Plan in the early 1980's that controlled land usage and established construction and height regulations...essentially saving the Deep Ellum area from becoming an expansion of the downtown skyline, as the market would've determined if city management wouldn't have recognized the importance of the area. Now, say what you want for what Deep Ellum has become today...but the area was a popular and economically viable area for nearly 20 years following this project.

Hate to break it to you Lifer...but socialism has its place in America...pure capitalism will leave you the exact same result as pure socialism...neither work without the other and this country is still very much weighted toward the capitalism.

Censored by Laurie · July 24, 2007

ohhh...and yes Fouts needs to go...I've actually got the Master Plan open on my computer as I type this and I can't wait to come back and walk down Gateway Park, cross the pedestian bridge over 35 and go watch the AP #8 team in the country airing it out at home against USC at the new Greene-Kennedy Field.

KingDL1 · July 24, 2007

During the mid to late 1970's building space in the Deep Ellum area bottomed out at around $2-$5 per square foot and many artists and small businesses moved in and revitalized an historically significant area...land speculation quickly followed as the Deep Ellum area is right next to downtown and was prime real estate to expand the downtown skyline. Admist discussion and protest, the city stepped in and formulated a plan known as The Near-Eastside Plan in the early 1980's that controlled land usage and established construction and height regulations...essentially saving the Deep Ellum area from becoming an expansion of the downtown skyline, as the market would've determined if city management wouldn't have recognized the importance of the area. Now, say what you want for what Deep Ellum has become today...but the area was a popular and economically viable area for nearly 20 years following this project.
Hate to break it to you Lifer...but socialism has its place in America...pure capitalism will leave you the exact same result as pure socialism...neither work without the other and this country is still very much weighted toward the capitalism.

Well if the fry street property values were depressed they would not have needed the CVS to anchor the development, actually for the land Fry street is high for the area.

meangreenfreak · July 24, 2007

During the mid to late 1970's building space in the Deep Ellum area bottomed out at around $2-$5 per square foot and many artists and small businesses moved in and revitalized an historically significant area...land speculation quickly followed as the Deep Ellum area is right next to downtown and was prime real estate to expand the downtown skyline. Admist discussion and protest, the city stepped in and formulated a plan known as The Near-Eastside Plan in the early 1980's that controlled land usage and established construction and height regulations...essentially saving the Deep Ellum area from becoming an expansion of the downtown skyline, as the market would've determined if city management wouldn't have recognized the importance of the area. Now, say what you want for what Deep Ellum has become today...but the area was a popular and economically viable area for nearly 20 years following this project.
Hate to break it to you Lifer...but socialism has its place in America...pure capitalism will leave you the exact same result as pure socialism...neither work without the other and this country is still very much weighted toward the capitalism.

Did you really just say that socialism has it place in America? It's that kind of thinking that scares me.

Let see where Socialism has been good for the common man.......

Russia?

Europe?

Sociaisml creates a huge divde between those in power and those without power. Capatialism give everyone a fighting chance. This country is great because a common, poor South Dallas boy can get an education and make something of himself. Hard work and the Entrepurnial spirit (the willingness to take risks) is the basis of Capatilism.

There are many men and women who fought long and hard to make sure we have the freedoms and opportunities to succeed in this country. I feel it is a great slap in the face to them to say that socialism has its place in America.

Opportunity has its place in America. If the people who had business on Fry wanted to save Fry St, they should have bought the property years ago. That would have insured that no one was able to raise their rent or sell their space.

Personally I felt that Fry St was an eye sore. It was a place to get drunk and get drugs. I'm glad that that corner of the University will be improved. I think it will have broader appeal to more people; not just the ones who want a dirty place to hang out and drink.

CaribbeanGreen · July 24, 2007

Draw Play? Blue and Orange accent colors? Craig Helwig chicken fighting with Darrell Dickey?

heeeelllllpppp meeeeeee...

UNTflyer · July 24, 2007

Hate to break it to you Lifer...but socialism has its place in America...pure capitalism will leave you the exact same result as pure socialism...neither work without the other and this country is still very much weighted toward the capitalism.

Ahh. I am reminded of your claim on another thread that terrorists have "reasonable" goals.

UNTflyer · July 24, 2007

Did you really just say that socialism has it place in America? It's that kind of thinking that scares me.

The other day he claimed that al-Qaeda had "reasonable" goals.

UNT_playmaker · July 24, 2007

Fouts needs to be Razed...

Now that is an aerial pic that I would love to make as the background for my computer screen

meangreenfreak · July 24, 2007

The other day he claimed that al-Qaeda had "reasonable" goals.

Now that REALLY bothers me.

He is free to have his opinion, but that doesn't make it a fact.

Censored by Laurie · July 24, 2007

The other day he claimed that al-Qaeda had "reasonable" goals.

Boy...you very deftly took that out of context. Are you employed by Fox News...if not send them a link to this site and you're bound to get a job as a writer and researcher for Bill O'Reilly.

greenminer · July 24, 2007

2nd best hijack ever on gmg.com. Keep it rollin'

Edited July 24, 2007 by greenminer

EagleD · July 24, 2007

These are the first pics I've seen since the demolition.

Today, I am sad. Many, many memories have gone with those walls.

If you don't like the plans for Fry street, don't go there anymore. I won't.

If you don't mind, or in fact like the plans, then you should frequent their business. No amount of complaining will bring the "Tomato" back now.

GO MEAN GREEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

foutsrouts · July 24, 2007

Personally I felt that Fry St was an eye sore. It was a place to get drunk and get drugs. I'm glad that that corner of the University will be improved. I think it will have broader appeal to more people; not just the ones who want a dirty place to hang out and drink.

Part of the college experience is about creating memories. Would you rather create memories in a sterile, homogeneous, surveillance camera infested corporate environment, or in an area which possesses a little history and uniqueness? I for one am going to miss Fry Street. The world is going to continue churning out cookie cutter suburbia, but the Fry Streets of the world are few and far between. Besides, people are going to "get drunk and get drugs" regardless of their environment.