Win proves RV was right to fire Dickey

MeanGreenZen · November 12, 2006

So Dickey gets fired and suddenly the team comes out and plays with passion and discipline and gets a win. This proves Dickey and his coaching staff were underachieving all season and deserved the ax.

Why wasn't the team playing with passion and discipline previously? Because Dickey and staff weren't willing to do the work to prepare and inspire the team until they were all publicly embarrassed by being fired.

But now Dickey can motivate again. He tells the team and hints to the media that he was fired because of a perceived inability to recruit. This makes the players, who were all Dickey recruits, feel disrespected and therefore they practice a little harder this week, they study the gameplan a little harder and maybe they reach down and give a little extra during the game. They are driven to prove their critics wrong.

All the coaches are now auditioning for their next job so they had incentive to coach a little harder this week, too.

There is a famous quote that goes: "The greatest threat to tomorrow's success is today's success."

I know everyone likes to rip his overall coaching record, but Dickey did some wonderful things at UNT. He is no doubt a UNT athletic hall-of-famer. But he's been sleepwalking through atleast the last two seasons. Too bad RV had to fire him to wake him up.

Edited November 12, 2006 by MG Insurance Pro

GrandGreen · November 12, 2006

Come on give DD a break. He has been terminated and is going to be criticized no matter if he wins or loses. I was not too pleased with his after game radio interview but there is no reason for him to change his spots at this point. My hope is that the team wins out and everyone goes on to better things.

Edited November 12, 2006 by GrandGreen

greeneagle69 · November 12, 2006

On premise I believe you are absolutely correct !!! With the very invention of the green team...it's willingness to do EXTRA after practice....come into the games and TAKE CHARGE...only to get pulled by its inventor..............proves some of the idiocy of our "non-offensive" play calling. At the very least !!!! The offensive line should have been "GREEN TEAMED" after the 3rd or 4th game. When that 2nd line can come in game after game and move the same defense around that the starters cant...and there's no lasting adjustment EVER.. Then I strike that up to coaching at that position level and ultimately on Dickey if he wont affect the changes himself. Soory for all the "timing" gaff about it all. BUT there's no such thing as bad timing for a good decision. I wish the coaches all well........but there are kids on the team that can play as well as starters (on any team) that never get the chances cause coaches hang on too long to mediocre results from some kids. I dont blame the kids..If they are doing their best but it isnt getting it done...then the coaches need to change personnel...........He proved with the green team that we are right.

UNTflyer · November 12, 2006

I was not too pleased with his after game radio interview ...
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What happened?

greensteve · November 12, 2006

BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH!!!

We won a game, be frickin happy for atleast 15 minutes!

UNTFan23 · November 12, 2006

What happened?
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More 'woah is me' stuff.

untcampbell · November 12, 2006

Said something to the effect that "these kids are really good, no matter what some people are saying about them."

shaft · November 12, 2006

Let the conspiracy theories go.

Does DD leaving give the team a rallying point? Yes.

Is that the only reason we won yesterday? No.

PlummMeanGreen · November 12, 2006

Said something to the effect that "these kids are really good, no matter what some people are saying about them."
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Well, Coach "I Never Take The Blame For Anything" Dickey, if they are that good, why didn't you coach them to an SBC football championship and do them all a favor by recruiting them the kind of help they needed to get ranked in the Top 25 football schools in the USA? Our Mean Green football players deserve such rankings, not all that other crapola you have dished out for years using them as your own personal scapegoat.

Lets all move on from all this folks and let him get all the final licks in he wants to get in since he seems to still be the very vindictive type person that most on this forum should have learned that he was long ago from all those post-game radio comments he started making toward us and "OUR" school years ago on the............MEAN GREEN RADIO NETWORK.

Another alum said: "Only we would have attended a school that will have a 42 and 62 career W/L HFC in the NT Athletic Hall of Fame because he beat a bunch of just out of 1-AA wussies to get to 4 bowl games."

People, we have needed to have raised our standard a long time ago in MG Country as to prevent all this subterranean acceptance of disguised success and that is why we will have such a coach with such a record in what should be our alma mater's "harder than hell to get in" NT Athletics Hall of Fame. Next thing you know, well have a coach who........................well, nevermind with that one.

Edited November 12, 2006 by PlummMeanGreen

CaribbeanGreen · November 12, 2006

Another alum said: "Only we would have attended a school that will have a 42 and 62 career W/L HFC in the NT Athletic Hall of Fame because he beat a bunch of just out of 1-AA wussies to get to 4 bowl games."
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Okay... so if that's the case, like so many here have said, what will make this next coach a success IN conference? Everyone talks about OOC wins, but we will TEAR APART this new guy with anything less than an eventual 26-game 4-title win streak in the SBC, right? I just want to make sure we're consistent here.

Monkeypox · November 12, 2006

Okay... so if that's the case, like so many here have said, what will make this next coach a success IN conference? Everyone talks about OOC wins, but we will TEAR APART this new guy with anything less than an eventual 26-game 4-title win streak in the SBC, right? I just want to make sure we're consistent here.
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Start with a winning record. That's a bare minimum, especially with damn near a decade to compile it.

Got5onIt · November 12, 2006

Start with a winning record. That's a bare minimum, especially with damn near a decade to compile it.
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Hammer, nail, hit it on the head.

PlummMeanGreen · November 13, 2006

Okay... so if that's the case, like so many here have said, what will make this next coach a success IN conference? Everyone talks about OOC wins, but we will TEAR APART this new guy with anything less than an eventual 26-game 4-title win streak in the SBC, right? I just want to make sure we're consistent here.
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What will make this guy a success in-conference?

Come on, CaribbeanGreen, you know the answer to that as much as anyone and that is what the consensus of this board wants, what Rick Villarreal has wanted (probably all that beginning with RV with a post ULM-loss in 2001 when he would be veto'd by Bobby Ray) and what our new UNT prez' wants; but unfortunately, it was all about what Coach Dickey was just not able to deliver even with 4 bowl teams and that was:

OUT OF THE BOTTOM 25 AND INTO THE UNCHARTERED WATERS NOT SEEN IN DECADES @ UNT AND THAT BEING...

.....An NCAA D1-A Top 25 Ranking.....

(And such regular rankings as that being the only thing that will ever put us ahead of the rest of all other Texas D1-A/non-Big 12 schools truth be known). :

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Have we ever heard DD in past years in any post-game radio show talk about getting this program ready to move up where Price took UTEP in 2 years?

No, we didn't but what we did hear was the cold fact that we would only be shooting and aiming for SBC success; and on a national ESPN radio show (of which he could have taken the time to proudly announce to all of the USA and that station's national sports audience about a new A/C which was at that time being built............but our man DD still chose the "woe is me" card, and (again) that even on a "freakin'" ESPN national radio show for crissakes'? Some of you were fit to be tied as I recall posts after that radio happening.

UNT had an almost 10 year head start on most of the other SBC schools with our being in NCAA D1-A when the SBC football league was formed.

What we had going on at UNT that no other SBC school had was:

(1) In the 1950's some NCAA Division One success with Abner Hayne's Sun Bowl team

(2) In the 1960's the Mean Joe Greene era of which one of Joe's and several NFL #1 MG draft choices on those teams who all but beat the nationally ranked Arkansas Hogs a year B4 they played Darrell Royal's UT team in "the Game of the Century" in 1969. Question: What were all the other SBC schools up to during all this?

(3) Then we had the 1970's of which most of that decade included Hayden Fry's well documented (on this forum) successes and then...

(4) Some of the success of HFC Corky Nelson which included several wins over some SWC schools with fewer 1-AA 'ships and our football facilities that continued to be some of the worst at any level of the NCAA.

THIS FOR YOU Mr. JIM MCINGVALE: And for one who played for Hayden Fry you seem to have forgotten very much concerning your own alma mater's football history and traditions (of which you even played a part).

AND MR MCINGVALE: Before you do some revising of Mean Green football history to make it seem UNT had nothing (whatsoever) going on before Darrell Dickey arrived in Denton, just check out your Mean Green football history for about 50 years prior to DD's arrival (such as the MG football history vignettes in the above #1 thru #4) and see for yourself that DD came to a school that had far more tradition going for it than all of the upstart former 1-AA SBC schools could ever have dreamed of having and such schools like those DD would need to beat up on to go bowling.

So...............Mr. McInvale, is all that that you wrote in that full page DRC ad today really your idea of an emerging NCAA D1-A program for your own alma mater? Is "Top 25" also (still) not part of your own vocabulary, too, like it is not with so many on this board who seem to be having a problem working it into their own as they continuously praise (for whatever stranger than hell reason) SBC/Bottom 10 successes?

GMG!

Edited November 13, 2006 by PlummMeanGreen