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[eeally]

Just a thought:

When UNT plays teams like UT, LSU, OK etc. Why do we not get a return home game? Answer is simple. UT loves its gate revenue for 7 or 8 home games. Meanwhile teams like UNT get 5 or 6 home games.

I know, we must play these games to sustain our revenue!

Why not get these big BCS teams to sign a 3 for 1 or even 4 for 1.....

Form an alliance. All Non-BCS teams get them on board. And under no circumstances would a non BCS play a Div 2 team.

ONLY SIGN CONTRACTS THAT WOULD OFFER A RETURN HOME GAME!!!

This would cause a dearth of games BCS conf. could play!

UT and A&M hate playing big names until the end of the season since they cannot carry more than 3 losses and expect to be in the top 25!

UT is getting so much flack for playing Sam Houston it is funny!

Middle Tennesee beating Tenn Tech is no good for anybody!

MY point is sign a 4 for 1 and reap some huge benefits for your university!

BCS with the 12 game schedule needs us more than we need them! Time to take advantage.

[gksmith]

Not enough seating for the tu fans.

Fouts holds 20K or so. 19K of that would be burnt orange. Royal Stadium holds 70K? 80K? They can pack the fans in.

[untwillrise]

How about a 3-1 were the 1 is on neutral site in dallas (i say neautral meaning not austin even though 80% will be ut fans) where we get the money as if it were a home game.

[Texas Stranger]

How about a 3-1 were the 1 is on neutral site in dallas (i say neautral meaning not austin even though 80% will be ut fans) where we get the money as if it were a home game.

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UT already plays a game in Dallas every year.

Schools that this makes sense for are A&M and large programs in other parts of the nation that recruit Texas, such as USC, Michigan, etc. that might see the benefit in playing a game in this recruiting base. I think Michigan would pack in about 50K plus at Texas Stadium since 50% of everyone born in Michigan from 1950-1980 live in DFW now.

[GrandGreen]

In the days of the "bigs" having mega stadiums it makes no economic sense for them to play away ooc games. Other than just wanting to have an away game to prepare for conference or a recruiting presense in a particular area there is no justification for an away game for the "Bigs". Texas for example sells approx. 80,000 seats at $50 for a $4,000,000 gate. Give, patsy of the week. $500,000 and net $3,500,000. In addition, add to that all the concession, advertisment, and parking revenues, the fact you have no travel expenses and have a practical zero chance of losing and it is easy to see why it is highly unlikely any of these teams are going be frequent travelers.

For example, I doubt even the Texas/Ohio State home and away games are financially justified. Both of these teams are going to have sell outs or near sell outs reguardless of who they play. So unless the TV monies offset the loss of revenue from a home game, the game cannot be financially justified. Add the possibility of a loss into the mix and you can see why these types of ooc mega-games are extremely rare.

It will never happen, but I think the NCAA in the spirit of fareness and to further overall competition should step in and mandate teams have a minimun number of away ooc games.

[jimmyjames_99]

So unless the TV monies offset the loss of revenue from a home game, the game cannot be financially justified.

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Aren't they still getting the TV monies even playing at home?

Until we get a new stadium that seats +40K and have regular crowds of 20K or better no major team will want to play us in Denton. Not saying SMU is a major team but the only reason they came to Denton was because our attendance numbers almost mirror theirs, so it was a wash. I don't think Baylor would come back with as much attention they are getting nowadays.

By-the-way, I really hope next year we have a bunch of NT fans in Ford stadium.

[Guest ike]

What really should happen (and just might), is that the BCS schools or maybe the top 35 to 40 football programs should form a new division. I know this has been mentioned before and it is probably an unpopular idea. but if it happens then maybe the rest of the 1A schools will come to senses and find a way to back some control from the big leagues.

Think about it... those schools in the elite top tier are in control of revenue, tv, scheduling really, and hog up just about everything else! Just look at the all the polls and (with the exception of TCU which should have been a BIG 12 school) observe that all the top 25 spots are filled with the fat programs. Here's another thought... Why don't we (the fans!) create a new poll, an anti BCS poll, one that just ranks the non BCS schools in their own Top 25, maybe even award its own Trophy... probably a goofy idea but what tha heck!

Back to amputating elite teams... yes we would all like to be in that category, but they've pulled up the ladder behind them. I say close the pen and let them fat piggies play among themselves for awhile. Don't let them play lower tier schools, and let's see what they are really made of. I gaurantee very few if any would come out with a one loss season and they would definitely be more willing to share the wealth. In other words, non BCS schools need to gang up on the big schools for being pushed into a situation where it's hard to survive without kissin their a$$es.

Ladies and gentlemen thank you for your time

[KBJ]

By not playing the big boys the smaller mid majors would not have a program. The money the schools get for these games is what funds the the mid major programs.

People on this board keep saying that we can not get large crowds at home because we don't play teams that they know. Well 22,000 for SMU is more than a little sad.

[eeally]

But this is my point.

Why get paid only $650,000 when you can get 1.5 million. Form a coalition that says we will not play unless we get really paid. This could be in the form of a 3 for 1 Deal with say the Big 12.

UNT plays UT, OU, CU away we get OSU at Fouts.

Why would UT play at Ark State say!!!! Answer is simple! Because their Alumni hate the fact that they are playing Sam Houston State.

If any Big 12 came to Fouts then we could charge $65 per ticket and sell 30,000....

I work with a Wisconsin Alumni and they hate the fact they have to play "cupcakes" until Big 10 Play.

We are settling for $650,000 when we could earn that plus a 2 Mil payday every 4 years.

Think about it. If we did not break ranks among non-BCS.1 of 2 things would happen.

1. UT would play 6 conf games, 1 big time game( ala Ohio State) and 5 Sam Houstons.....Wow that would be bad for Moral!!!! But great for Div 2.

2. Ut would play a substantial schedule where they would go 9-3 and that would compete for the Nat championship since it would be in essence like a playoff sytem. They would have to play the likes of SEC,PAC 10, etc. EVERY WEEK

Alumni and the Bowl system would hate this since all teams would be 7-5...Going undefeated would be scarce.....

Did I lose anybody? thoughts...

[untwillrise]

By not playing the big boys the smaller mid majors would not have a program. The money the schools get for these games is what funds the the mid major programs.

People on this board keep saying that we can not get large crowds at home because we don't play teams that they know.  Well 22,000 for SMU is more than a little sad.

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although SMU is a hated rival, they are no where close to being a top 50 team not to mention top 100.

[KBJ]

But this is my point.

We are settling for $650,000 when we could earn that plus a 2 Mil payday every 4 years.

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2 mil would work out to be about $150 per ticket as students are currently paying about 4.5 mil per year to the dept. Plus the $650 would eather go away or be reduced to reflect them giving up the 5 plus mil they get for playing at home.

Remember these schools need BIG money to keep the programs going.

[untgirl04]

Why don't we just have the NCAA crack down on college spending? We cap everything at X amount, and colleges forfeit any additional money to the general scholarship fund or to the school.

This would solve several problems:

1. Puts all college athletic departments on a more even playing field.

2. Increases academic spending for schools.

3. Reduces the number of college team endorsement deals (see teams sporting "trial" gear and getting everything for free")

[GrandGreen]

But this is my point.

Why get paid only $650,000 when you can get 1.5 million. Form a coalition that says we will not play unless we get really paid. This could be in the form of a 3 for 1 Deal with say the Big 12.  UNT plays UT, OU, CU away we get OSU at Fouts. 

If you are paid a total unrealistic $2m to play at a UT like universtiy, it still would not change the economics enough to make a UT play away.  They would still net more with a home game than you could possible guarantee them to play away and they would still get the benefit of home field.  Plus the problem for the lower level school of having few home games if you are playing 1 home for 3 or 4 away.

Why would UT play at Ark State say!!!! Answer is simple! Because their Alumni hate the fact that they are playing Sam Houston State.

I doubt UT fans think much more of NT or Ark State than SHSU.  It is a almost certain win in either case.  They will pay a premium on top of a guarantee for a 1a member for basically cosmetic reasons and the fact that  they are limited in the number of non-1a games they count as wins for bowl purposes.

If any Big 12 came to Fouts then we could charge $65 per ticket and sell 30,000....

Where are you going to get 30,000 seats even if you could sell them for $65 which is highly doubtful.  Are you planning on making students that already pay for their admission thru student fees belly up an additional $65.  Lots of luck on that.

I work with a Wisconsin Alumni and they hate the fact they have to play "cupcakes" until Big 10 Play.

Coaches and administraters love it, as long as fans turn out to see the "sister of the poor" games that is what you are going to continue to get.  Also hate to break it to you but if they didn't play cupcakes then there would not be any games for teams at NT's level to play against the top tier teams.

We are settling for $650,000 when we could earn that plus a 2 Mil payday every 4 years.

You are assuming UT would pay us a guarantee of $650,000 for a home game and then get no guarantee when they played in Denton? 

Think about it. If we did not break ranks among non-BCS.1 of  2 things would happen.

1. UT would play 6 conf games, 1 big time game( ala Ohio State) and 5 Sam Houstons.....Wow that would be bad for Moral!!!!  But great for Div 2.

2. Ut would play a substantial schedule where they would go 9-3 and that would compete for the Nat championship since it would be in essence like a playoff sytem. They would have to play the likes of SEC,PAC 10, etc. EVERY WEEK

Alumni and the Bowl system would hate this since all teams would be 7-5...Going undefeated would be scarce.....

3.  A even more segmented NCAA would occur as funds completely dry up and to an extent interest for the non-bcs category of schools.  The top tier (BCS) schools go back to the old model were most ooc games were against peer conference schools and it was rare for a game to be scheduled against the lower level conferences.  All sports suffer at non-bcs school as football guarantee money cannot be replaced.

Did I lose anybody?  thoughts... 

You asked

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[GrandGreen]

Aren't they still getting the TV monies even playing at home?

Well yes, but the question is how much TV pay would they get for an away game.

By playing Ohio State in a home  and away series, UT is giving up a home game because they can get other teams to agree to a home only series. (NT, ASU, etc).  The millions of dollars lost by in effect having one less home game would have to be offset by additional revenues from the away game such as TV payouts  to balance the financial results.

Until we get a new stadium that seats +40K and have regular crowds of 20K or better no major team will want to play us in Denton. Not saying SMU is a major team but the only reason they came to Denton was because our attendance numbers almost mirror theirs, so it was a wash. I don't think Baylor would come back with as much attention they are getting nowadays.

By-the-way, I really hope next year we have a bunch of NT fans in Ford stadium.

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Edited September 19, 2006 by GrandGreen

[Arkstfan]

The sad fact is that the folks in the MWC, CUSA, WAC, MAC, and Sun Belt are too busy fighting each other for position to cooperate. No one is willing to give up what they have for fear someone else might gain.

The first step ought to be a bowl alliance. If you had the Liberty, Las Vegas, New Orleans, Motor City and either MPC or New Mexico Bowl in an agreement to fill their ranks out of a pool consisting of guaranteed bids to the champions of the five conferences plus the bowls picks of five of the seven highest rated non-champions it would go a long way toward improving things.

There isn't a need for a schedule cartel. It can be done simply by presidents/chancellors directing their athletic directors to schedule no more than one game per season that isn't returned and no more than one I-AA game. In most leagues that leaves two games to fill (three for us until WKU joins). We will then have to play each other home/home or the BCS schools will have to go home/home.

[gksmith]

UNT did play some games at Texas Stadium against bigger schools in the past. I am sure that costs UNT a lot of money to do that though.