Hard Class to Assess

ipEAGLE · February 4, 2006

I'm sure that Coach Dodge would give up about $30,000 per year to come coach at UNT
Flanigan finished his career at SMU amassing 7,437 career yards. He ranks among the school's career leaders in passing yards (5,640 - 4th), completions (438-4th), pass attempts (829 - 4th), TD passes (30 - 5th), and rushing yards (1,797 - 12th). He also accounted for more touchdowns than any other player, scoring 57 (30 passing, 27rushing). Flanigan's achievements have earned him a spot in our list of the 90 Greatest Moments in SMU Football History.
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HAHA. Your point?

ObviousMan · February 4, 2006

I'm sure that Coach Dodge would give up about $30,000 per year to come coach at UNT
Flanigan finished his career at SMU amassing 7,437 career yards. He ranks among the school's career leaders in passing yards (5,640 - 4th), completions (438-4th), pass attempts (829 - 4th), TD passes (30 - 5th), and rushing yards (1,797 - 12th). He also accounted for more touchdowns than any other player, scoring 57 (30 passing, 27rushing). Flanigan's achievements have earned him a spot in our list of the 90 Greatest Moments in SMU Football History.
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Since you're obviously an SMU alum ("our list of the 90 Greatest Moments in SMU Football History") you should have at least gotten the facts straight. It wasn't Flannigan's performance that got him on the list (#46), but rather the team's 6-5 season in 1997 marking their first winning season since 1986 (11 years). According to the write up, the player of the year/game would have been Kelsey Adams, not Ramon Flannigan.

Now, let's address those statistics that make Coach Flannigan so great. Passing, 5,640 yards, or 1,410 average per season. Does that number look strangely close to what the UNT QBs have averaged since his arrival as QB coach and then Offensive Coordinator? Completions 438, attempts 829, that would be about a 53% completion percentage. Well, looking at UNT's starting QB statistics for 2003-2005, 55% (the 2003 and 2004 season were with Scott Hall by the way). Batting .500 in baseball makes you a hall of famer. In football, it should get the player benched, and if repeated for more than a few seasons, the coach replaced.

It seems to me that Ramon Flannigan creates offenses and QBs in his image. Just average, not a difference maker. I'm sure the players that are playing for UNT are doing their best, but I can't believe that UNT cannot find a suitable replacement for Flannigan from somewhere else.

A little more than a nickle's worth.

ipEAGLE · February 4, 2006

Since you're obviously an SMU alum ("our list of the 90 Greatest Moments in SMU Football History") you should have at least gotten the facts straight. It wasn't Flannigan's performance that got him on the list (#46), but rather the team's 6-5 season in 1997 marking their first winning season since 1986 (11 years). According to the write up, the player of the year/game would have been Kelsey Adams, not Ramon Flannigan.
Now, let's address those statistics that make Coach Flannigan so great. Passing, 5,640 yards, or 1,410 average per season. Does that number look strangely close to what the UNT QBs have averaged since his arrival as QB coach and then Offensive Coordinator? Completions 438, attempts 829, that would be about a 53% completion percentage. Well, looking at UNT's starting QB statistics for 2003-2005, 55% (the 2003 and 2004 season were with Scott Hall by the way). Batting .500 in baseball makes you a hall of famer. In football, it should get the player benched, and if repeated for more than a few seasons, the coach replaced.
It seems to me that Ramon Flannigan creates offenses and QBs in his image. Just average, not a difference maker. I'm sure the players that are playing for UNT are doing their best, but I can't believe that UNT cannot find a suitable replacement for Flannigan from somewhere else.
A little more than a nickle's worth.
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Great Post.

February 4, 2006

Not to mention Flanny had 6 years of eligibility ...

ntmeangreen11 · February 4, 2006

Victor Gill has signed here, but talking to an Argyle player, they said that a recruiter told him if UNT signs another JUCO(Looking for help in secondary is what he said) that Gill would grayshirt.

H-towngreen · February 4, 2006

He was a TE/DE prospect right? Where does he project here at NT? And if we have 5 ships still open why would he greyshirt?

buff64 · February 4, 2006

He was a TE/DE prospect right? Where does he project here at NT? And if we have 5 ships still open why would he greyshirt?
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It is common practice to bring several non-scholarship players to compete for the remaining scholarships.l

February 4, 2006

I'm sure that Coach Dodge would give up about $30,000 per year to come coach at UNT
Flanigan finished his career at SMU amassing 7,437 career yards. He ranks among the school's career leaders in passing yards (5,640 - 4th), completions (438-4th), pass attempts (829 - 4th), TD passes (30 - 5th), and rushing yards (1,797 - 12th). He also accounted for more touchdowns than any other player, scoring 57 (30 passing, 27rushing). Flanigan's achievements have earned him a spot in our list of the 90 Greatest Moments in SMU Football History.
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The head coaches salaries for the 4A and 5A schools was recently published in the DMN and Todd Dodge's salary is in the $90,000 range. DD can make about $300M if he met all of his incentives.

meangreendork · February 6, 2006

Let's call Dodge and let him know that if he coaches here, he'll get nearly free-reign to improve the program...and that we'll give him a $15k signing bonus on top of a $110k 3-year contract.