Recruiting

[Cooley]

Position Name School HT WT 40 Commit

QB Sherrod Harris Arlington Bowie 6'2 205 4.50 Texas

QB Greg McElroy Southlake Carroll 6'3 205 4.80 TX Tech

QB Matthew Stafford Highland Park 6'3 220 4.80 Georgia

QB Pierre Beasley Spring Westfield 6'4 205 4.60

QB Jevan Snead Stephenville 6'4 205 4.60 Florida

QB Taylor Potts Abilene 6'5 215 4.80 TX Tech

QB Christian Ponder Colleyville Heritage 6'3 205 4.60 Fla State

QB Clark Harrell Ennis 6'3 180 4.60 Tulsa

QB L.J. Castille La Marque 6'3 205 4.60 Houston

QB Taylor Harris Whitesboro 6'3 205 4.80

QB Anthony Norice Dallas Skyline 6'1 180 4.40 Baylor

QB Todd Reesing Austin Lake Travis 6'0 195 4.70 Kansas

QB Jeff Panfil North Crowley 6'6 185 4.70 Purdue

QB Tyler Beatty Pflugerville 6'4 200 4.60 Baylor

QB Nick Stephens Flower Mound 6'4 200 4.70 Ole Miss

QB Chris Caflisch SA Madison 6'2 180 4.40 Purdue

QB Joe Mauro Hurst LD Bell 6'5 205 4.60 Northwestern

QB Sean Gilley Dayton 6'2 180 4.60

QB Jeremy Sanders Marlin 6'2 210 4.30

QB Jerrod Johnson Humble 6'6 215 4.70

QB Stephen Sheffield Pflug. Connally 6'4 180 4.80

QB J.P. TIllman Cypress Falls 6'3 220 4.70 Mizzou

QB Sean Hakes FW Nolan Catholic 6'3 200 4.70

QB Case Keenum Abilene Wylie 6'2 200 4.60 Houston

QB Jeremy Heatley Breckenridge 6'2 195 4.60

QB Kevin Moore FM Marcus 6'5 200 4.80 Tulane

QB Brad Taylor Madisonville 6'3 210 4.60

QB Michael Klabunde SA O'Connor 6'2 180 4.50

QB Josh Edge Lytle 6'5 200 4.80

QB Ross Jenkins Langham Creek 6'2 190 4.70

RB Vondrell McGee Longview 5'10 190 4.4 Texas

RB Michael Goodson Klein Collins 6'0 205 4.4 Okla. State

RB Emmanuel Moody Coppell 6'1 200 4.5 Texas

RB Derke Robinson Hebron 6'0 200 4.5 Texas

RB Jamar Wall Plainview 5'10 185 4.5

RB Keith Toston Angleton 6'1 190 4.4

RB Baron Batch Midland 5'10 185 4.5 Texas Tech

RB Jamaal Evans Irving 5'9 185 4.4

RB Mon Willians Mesquite Horn 6'2 190 4.5

RB Karrington Bush Whitewright 5'10 180 4.4

RB Antwan Cobb Pflugerville 5'11 185 4.6

RB Zach Collins UC Randolph 5'10 180 4.4

RB Latrael Cooper Cuero 6'2 215 4.5 Texas A&M

RB Trent Hines Midland Lee 6'3 200 4.5 Texas A&M

RB Toddrick Pendland Newton 5'9 170 4.5

RB Travis Landrum Chilton 6'2 225 4.7

RB Jackie Robinson Marshall 6'0 205 4.7

RB Leon Patton Dallas WT White 5'8 180 4.5 Kansas St.

RB Marquis Lowe Hitchcock 5'10 170 4.5 Houston

RB Donte Bean North Garland 5'10 175 4.4 Kansas

RB Torian Wilkins Brookshire Royal 5'10 185 4.4 Arkansas

RB Andre Pierce Rowlett 5'9 175 4.7

RB Tony Green SA Madison 5'9 165 4.5

RB Dominique Crawford Giddings 5'10 185 4.4

RB Jesse Harrison Omaha Paul Pewitt 5'10 205 4.6

RB Collin Jones Bridgeport 6'0 190 4.6 TCU

RB Remus Nembhard Houston Jones 5'9 180 4.5

RB Ryan Adkins Roscoe Highland 5'10 160 4.4

RB David Watkins Irving Nimitz 6'0 190 4.5

RB Casey Kociuba Liberty Hill 6'2 190 4.6

WR Adron Tennell Irving 6'5 200 4.4 Oklahoma

WR Phillip Payne South Garland 6'2 190 4.5 Texas

WR Terrell Reese Pflug. Henrickson 6'4 195 4.5

WR Montrae Webber Hearne 6'3 190 4.5 Texas

WR Cody Beyer Smithson Valley 6'1 175 4.4 Texas A&M

WR Alex Darley CC Flour Bluff 6'3 185 4.5

WR Josh Marshall Arlington Martin 6'4 200 4.7 Texas

WR Steven Harris Hebron 6'0 180 4.6

WR James Cleveland Baytown Lee 6'2 180 4.5 Iowa

WR McKay Jacobsen Southlake Carroll 6'1 185 4.5 BYU

WR Lyle Leong Abilene 6'2 170 4.5 Texas Tech

WR Xavier Rambo South Oak Cliff 6'0 185 4.4 Kansas

WR Terrance McCoy Midland Lee 6'3 200 4.5 Texas A&M

WR Jared Perry La Marque 6'1 170 4.6

WR Clint Renfro Southlake Carroll 6'1 165 4.4 TCU

WR Xavier Bowman Pasadena Dobie 6'3 180 4.6

WR Phillip Burley Scurry Rosser 6'5 210 4.5

WR DeMarcus Connor Spring Westfield 6'1 185 4.4 Okla. State

WR Jared Peddy Canyon 5'11 170 4.5

WR Andrew Novak Ennis 6'2 190 4.7 Rice

WR LaGerald Betters Waco 6'4 175 4.5

WR Taylor Wardlow Grapevine 6'6 200 4.8

WR Justin Fenty Denton Ryan 5'10 160 4.4 UTEP

WR Derrick Evans Cameron Yoe 6'4 190 4.6

WR Justin Fields West Columbia 6'4 200 4.7

WR Jackie Culverhouse Lindale 6'4 190 4.5

WR Chris Marek LR Academy 6'2 170 4.6

WR Ryan Butler Nederland 5'10 170 4.6

WR Jeremy Brubaker Wylie 6'3 185 4.7

WR Cedric Moore Barbers Hill 6'2 175 4.4

TE Britt Mitchell Kilgore 6'5 245 4.7 Texas

TE Greg Smith Montgomery 6'5 230 4.6 Texas

TE Kyle Adams Austin Westlake 6'5 230 4.8 Purdue

TE Adrian Reese Longview 6'6 200 4.6

TE Cameron Hackney Jacksonville 6'3 240 4.9 Houston

TE Jason Fox North Crowley 6'6 245 4.9 Miami, Fla.

TE Nate Bayless Burkburnett 6'5 225 4.8

TE Andrew Holloway Galena Park 6'4 200 4.8

TE Earl Mitchell GP North Shore 6'2 245 4.8 Arizona

TE Seth Harley OLC-Mauriceville 6'3 210 4.8

TE Chris Herrera FB Marshall 6'4 275 4.9 Miss. State

TE Joe Norris Schertz Clemens 6'2 200 4.6

TE Jatrel Rollins Houston Kashmere 6'4 230 4.9

TE Trevor Stuart FB Austin 6'3 230 4.9 No. Carolina

TE J.D. Ybanez EP Coronado 6'4 215 4.7

TE Alex Arndt RR McNeil 6'4 220 4.8

TE Jeffrey Amato EP Americas 6'2 220 4.7

TE Jonathan Moore SA Marshall 6'4 215 4.9 UTEP

TE Franklin Reed Coldspr. Oakhurst 6'8 240 4.6

TE Adam James Celina 6'2 220 4.7

OL J'Marcus Webb North Mesquite 6'7 270 5.1 Texas

OL Ian Symonette Houston St. Pius X 6'9 330 4.9

OL Lucas Patterson Kingsville King 6'5 290 5.2 Texas A&M

OL Reid Prince Highland Park 6'4 255 5.2 Baylor

OL Cory Brandon Corsicana 6'6 265 5.0 Oklahoma

OL Chris Olsen Highland Park 6'5 280 5.2 Texas Tech

OL Curtis Bailey Dallas Carter 6'7 340 5.2 Oklahoma

OL Tyler Duggins Iowa Park 6'6 270 5.2 Texas Tech

OL Roy Watts Houston Worthing 6'6 300 5.1 Texas

OL Ben Davis Boerne 6'8 290 5.1 Texas Tech

OL Kyle Smith Mansfield Summit 6'6 300 5.4

OL Dylan Hagens Shiner 6'7 260 5.3 Baylor

OL Alan Pelc Pearland 6'5 300 5.8 Houston

OL Trent Perkins Alice 6'6 285 4.9 Okla. State

OL Justin Pierce Tom Bean 6'5 300 5.2 Purdue

OL William Hall SA Reagan 6'4 280 5.2

OL Phillip Greendyke Katy Taylor 6'5 295 5.2

OL Adrian Archie Huntsville 6'5 285 5.4 Texas Tech

OL Russell Okung FB Bush 6'5 250 4.9

OL Nick Landry Beau. West Brook 6'5 270 5.2

OG Chris Stewart Klein 6'5 300 5.4

OG Trent Williams Longview 6'5 290 5.3

OG Buddy Brumit Garland 6'5 285 5.3 Texas Tech

OG Drew Brenk Needville 6'4 285 5.1 Vanderbilt

OG Jason Guillory DeSoto 6'4 350 5.4

OG Dimitri Lott FB Marshall 6'3 260 5.3 Texas Tech

OG Bo Hurley Schertz Clemens 6'5 300 5.4

OG Drew Chasney Mesquite Horn 6'1 300 5.4

OG Jose Vargas Sulphur Springs 6'4 320 5.4

OG Lon Roberts Kilgore 6'3 300 5.4

OG David Webster Pearland 6'4 280 5.2

OG Brandon Slay Georgetown 6'2 265 4.9

OG Steve Moore Jersey Village 6'5 280 5.2 Texas

OG Matt Allen Klein Collins 6'4 285 5.4 LSU

OG Lee Gonzales Hutto 6'4 285 5.2 SMU

OG John Marshall Mount Vernon 6'2 272 5.1

OG Tyson Holligan Carrollton Smith 6'3 300 4.9

OG Andrew Oldis Boerne 6'3 250 5.2

OG Brandon Washington Cedar Hill 6'2 310 5.5

OG Adam Sheaffer Keller 6'4 250 5.0

C Buck Burnette Wimberley 6'3 310 5.5 Texas

C Josh Vernon Irving MacArthur 6'4 275 5.1 TCU

C Wes Simon Plano West 6'2 285 5.2 Colorado

C Cody Lusk Jacksonville 6'3 300 5.2

C Antonio Cobb Pflugerville 6'0 250 4.8

C Taylor Haese Burnet 6'0 270 5.3

C Ryan Burke McKinney North 6'2 260 5.3 Rice

C Chris Burns Klein Collins 6'1 250 4.9

C Robert Ramirez GP North Shore 6'3 285 5.2

C Darrin Reeves Saint Jo 6'1 250 5.1

DT Eddie Jones Kilgore 6'3 240 4.7 Texas

DT Cody Williams Longview 6'4 235 4.7 Texas A&M

DT Ugo Chinasa Richardsn Berkner 6'5 225 4.6

DT Brian Ellis So. Grand Prairie 6'5 245 4.7 Texas

DT Pryce Macon CC Carroll 6'1 260 4.8 Oklahoma

DT Wayne Daniels Kilgore 6'3 230 4.7 Kansas St.

DT Leslie Ray Midland Lee 6'3 270 4.9 Texas A&M

DT Zac Thomas Stephenville 6'3 240 4.7 SMU

DT Dwayne Bazile Galveston Ball 6'3 235 4.7

DT Brandon Antwine Garland 6'1 275 4.8

DT Brandon Cooper FB Marshall 6'4 240 4.8 MIss. State

DT Braylon Broughton Dallas Hillcrest 6'6 240 4.8 Iowa

DT Rajon Henley Galveston Ball 6'3 250 5.2

DT Logan Kelly Cypress Creek 6'3 230 4.8

DT Dan'Tay Ward Waco 6'2 290 5.1 Baylor

DT Kendall Briscoe Dallas Lincoln 6'1 260 4.9 TCU

DT Lucas Patterson Kingsville King 6'5 290 5.1

DT RIchard Jones La Marque, TX 6'0 265 5.3 Texas Tech

DT Jeremy Beal Carr. Creekview 6'3 250 4.9

DT Henry Nuitei Euless Trinity 6'3 250 5.2 UTEP

DT Sean Estelle FB Marshall 6'3 245 4.8 Colorado

DT Adrian Johnson Tyler John Tyler 6'2 280 5.1 Baylor

DT Maurice MacArthur Conroe 6'2 285 4.7

DT Shane Jarka FB Austin 6'4 230 4.9 Okla. State

DT Blake Hinton The Woodlands 6'2 260 4.7

DT Xavier Richard Cypress Falls 6'3 250 4.8

DT Broderick Marshall Austin McCallum 6'5 270 4.9

DT Wesley Oglesby Arlington Grace 6'6 230 4.7

DT Travis Massingale Plano East 6'2 225 4.8

DT Eric Smith Houston Worthing 6'5 330 5.2 Southern

DT Adrian Taylor Mansfield 6'4 260 4.8

DT Jacob Fincher Waxahachie 6'2 210 4.8

DT Rush Hughes Richardson Pearce 6'3 220 4.9

DT Broderick Davis Clear Brook 6'3 230 4.7

DT Josh Duvall Brookshire Royal 6'3 320 5.1

DT Kevin Lockett Aldine Eisenhower 6'4 260 4.7

DT Ryan Riggins GP North Shore 6'7 300 5.1

DT Michael Boydston Southlake Carroll 6'3 260 4.8

DT Terrell Anyaibe DeSoto 6'1 230 4.9

DT Macario Lopez PSJA High 6'3 220 4.9

LB Sergio Kindle Dallas Wilson 6'4 225 4.5 Texas

LB Dustin Earnest Texas High 6'3 220 4.6 Texas

LB Blake Collier Justin Northwest 6'2 210 4.6 Texas Tech

LB Anthony Lewis Haltom 6'2 220 4.6

LB Jared Norton Rowlett 6'4 225 4.5 Texas

LB Michael Morgan Dallas Skyline 6'2 200 4.5

LB Pierre Fluerinor Wharton 6'0 210 4.6 Texas A&M

LB Donnell Williams Houston Madison 6'3 220 4.8 Okla. State

LB Justin Gent Irving MacArthur 6'2 210 4.7 Okla. State

LB J.D. Dowling McKinney 6'1 210 4.6 New Mex St

LB Marlon Williams Pflugerville 6'0 210 4.6 Texas Tech

LB Austin Alburtis Tyler St. Christian 6'2 220 4.7 Iowa State

LB Julius Howard Irving Nimitz 6'0 220 4.5

LB Jeff Bereuter Irving MacArthur 6'3 210 4.8 Okla. State

LB DuMaurier Thompsn Dallas WT White 6'1 180 4.6 Texas A&M

LB Patrick Benoist Southlake Carroll 6'0 205 4.6 Vanderbilt

LB Wendell Davis Sweeny 6'1 200 4.7

LB Adrian Hamilton Dallas Carter 6'2 220 4.8 Okla. State

LB Greg Carlson Klein Oak 6'3 220 4.6

LB Deymone Hogg Denton Ryan 6'4 205 4.6

LB Andrew Stevenson SA Marshall 6'2 225 4.8

LB John Falgout Beaumont W Brook 6'2 225 4.8

LB Justin Smart Marshall 6'3 220 4.6

LB Jacob Fincher Waxahachie 6'4 210 4.8

LB Royzell Smith FB Marshall 6'0 200 4.5 UTEP

LB Kendall Volz Smithson Valley 6'3 210 4.7

LB Clint Leal Kingwood 6'5 220 4.5

LB Trey Smith China Spring 6'1 215 4.6

LB Jonathan Ellison Kaufman 6'0 220 4.7

LB Jeff Edwards Houston Westside 6'2 220 4.7

LB Shelton Berry Nacogdoches 6'0 200 4.7

LB Will Shoppa FW All Saints 6'2 215 4.7

LB Pete Persinger Carr. Ranchview 6'0 200 4.6

LB Robert Wiliams Dallas Kimball 6'3 200 4.5

LB Sean Weatherspoon Jasper 6'1 200 4.7

CB Kenneth Beasley West Orange Stark 5'10 160 4.4 Texas

CB Perrish Cox Waco University 6'0 175 4.5

CB Chykie Brown GP North Shore 6'1 175 4.4 Texas

CB Jonathan Nelson Mansfield Summit 6'1 180 4.4 Oklahoma

CB Jordan Pugh Plano West 5'11 175 4.5 Texas A&M

CB Dominique Criss Arlington Bowie 5'11 175 4.5

CB Cameron Nelson Dallas Kimball 6'2 180 4.5 Arizona

CB Anthony Webb South Oak Cliff 6'1 190 4.5 Kansas

CB Leonard Hewitt Lufkin 5'11 180 4.4

CB Terrance Anderson Aldine 5'10 160 4.5

CB Al'Darius Thompson North Mesquite 5'10 165 4.5 Okla. State

CB Carson Blackmon Tatum 5'11 170 4.5 Houston

CB D.J. Emerson Brookshire Royal 5'11 170 4.4

CB Del Howard South Garland 5'11 180 4.5 Missouri

CB Alex Wacha FB Clements 5'11 170 4.5

CB Kevin Rutland Galena Park 6'1 185 4.5

CB Marcus Washington FB Marshall 5'10 175 4.5 Miss. State

CB Ricky McLaurin FW Dunbar 5'11 170 4.4

CB Zach Collins UC Randolph 5'10 180 4.4

CB Tim Price CC Carroll 6'0 175 4.4

CB Devin McDowell Garland 5'10 175 4.5

CB Will Thompson Katy 5'10 170 4.5

CB Richard Council Carrollton Smith 6'2 170 4.4

CB Jarell Routt Texas City 5'10 185 4.4

CB Melvin Stephenson So. Grand Prairie 6'0 185 4.4

S James Henry Schertz Clemens 6'2 195 4.4 Oklahoma

S Robert Joseph PA Memorial 6'2 185 4.5 Texas

S Danny McCray Spring Westfield 6'0 200 4.5 LSU

S Malcolm Williams So. Grand Prairie 6'0 175 4.5 Texas A&M

S Patrick Lavine Jersey Village 6'2 200 4.6 Okla. State

S Mister Alexander Aldine MacArthur 6'2 185 4.4

S Justan Vaughn Pearland 6'0 165 4.4

S Deron Fontenot So. Grand Prairie 5'9 180 4.6 Okla. State

S Joseph Agnew Southlake Carroll 6'0 185 4.7 Tulsa

S Daniel Johnson Hou. Spring Woods 6'4 205 4.4

S Max Anyiam North Garland 6'1 190 4.5 Minnesota

S Olaitan Oguntodu Mesquite Horn 6'1 200 4.5

S Franklin Mitchem Klein Collins 6'2 200 4.5 Texas Tech

S Keaton Harris Lubbock Coronado 6'3 210 4.6

S Josh Lee Houston Reagan 6'1 185 4.5 Houston

S Tim Atchison Copperas Cove 6'2 180 4.5

S Roderick Rollins Dallas Skyline 6'1 165 4.5

S Darnell Jackson Rosenberg Terry 6'1 190 4.4

S Chase Hall Boyd 6'3 190 4.5

S Chinoso Echebelum Duncanville 6'1 185 4.5

S Aaron Sims Denton 6'2 195 4.5 UTEP

S Andy Kiser Alvarado 6'2 215 4.6

S Sterman Brown Marshall 6'3 180 4.6

S Brett Dewhurst Klein 5'11 175 4.7

S Tyler Jones Emory Rains 6'1 195 4.5

K/P Hunter Lawrence Boerne 6'0 175 4.9 Texas

K/P Ryan Batchelor Arlington Martin 6'3 170 4.8

K/P Kevin Sharples Conroe Oak Ridge 5'10 180 4.7

K/P Kevin Ortega Southlake Carroll 5'7 160 4.7

K/P Michael Van Wagner Bandera 6'2 175 4.9

K/P David Sweet Smithson Valley 6'0 165 4.8

K/P Michael Such Allen 6'3 190 4.9

K/P Aaron Esikhati Midland Lee 5'10 180 4.8

K/P Emmanuel Asaolu FW Dunbar 6'3 170 4.8

K/P Jared Awbrey Richardson Pearce 5'11 170 4.6

K/P Taylor Wilkins La Marque 5'6 150 4.7

K/P Tyler Driskell Abilene Wylie 6'0 225 4.9

K/P Blake Baublits McKinney North 5'10 160 4.8

K/P Jeff Turner Cypress Creek 5'10 170 4.8

K/P Colt Williamson Eastland 6'6 160 4.6

[PlummMeanGreen]

Edited January 20, 2006 by PlummMeanGreen

[ipEAGLE]

Lists mean nothing...

Look at Cobbs, Hurd, Spencer, Cardwell, Kassel, etc.

1/3 of those on that list will be busts.

Edited January 20, 2006 by ipEAGLE

[PlummMeanGreen]

Lists mean nothing...

Look at Cobbs, Hurd, Spencer, Cardwell, Kassel, etc.

1/3 of those on that list will be busts.

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This is true, ipEagle, but the thing that concerns many of us is how we seem (more than ever) to be up against so many 1-AA schools (and even the Midwestern State types) for this NT recruiting class.

In fact, I can never remember in 30 plus years of following Mean Green football recruting when we have been a D1-A school of having so many non-D1-A schools that we are fighting for recruits.

This becomes even more bothersome when we all sort of discovered this last Fall that we have not even been recruiting head to head or ahead of (as some of us had previously thought) of the Tulsa's or the La Tech's in the the last few years of recruiting classes.

And I think we all realize that most of this 2006 NT recruiting class (such as any of our past recruiting classes) will be redshirted except for our rather large number of JUCO transfers we seem to have.

[foutsrouts]

I guess that's what happens when you stay in the Southland, er, I mean Sunbelt Conference in football. Maybe we can at least come up with one of those uncommited kickers.

[good_ken]

  Posted Today, 08:21 PM

  Lists mean nothing...

Lists give Plumm something to quote. It helps boost the length a post. For instance, if I were to quote the first few lines of the emancipation proclamation, it would lenghten the post while adding absolutely nothing.

Whereas, on the twenty-second day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-two, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:

"That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.

Now I can rest assured that I have added "body" to my one-sentenced opinion; making it look more impressive.

Edited January 20, 2006 by good_ken

[Guest GrayEagleOne]

Lists mean nothing...

Look at Cobbs, Hurd, Spencer, Cardwell, Kassel, etc.

1/3 of those on that list will be busts.

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Since this list was composed at the end of their junior season and lists more than the annual recruiting haul in Texas, it's very probable that 1/3 of thim will be busts. So let's address the 200 that probably won't be.

Nearly half of the list has verbaled to a Division I school. Of that amount, how many to North Texas? Answer...a big fat zero. Every other Division 1-A school in Texas has at least one except us.

It's also possible that your list contained names of those who were not on the Top 300 list (although I'm not sure about Spencer) but for every one not touted I'd bet that I can name two or three busts who were also busts. Cooley recently published a list of the 2000 recruiting class. Less than half of those ever saw the field, at least enough to letter. And that was one of our better recruiting classes. It contained something like five of the State Top 100. Only one of those (who decided to give up football) was unsuccessful. Now if the odds are that great for those selected as the best, then what are the odds for success of those that no one has heard of?

Recruiting is not an exact science. If it were we'd just calculate who the best athletes are, recruit them, and be on our merry way. But, you take this list and add in the late-blooming seniors and you've got a pretty good working list of who is going to be successful.

We are failing miserably. How many of that 200 successes will have 'North Texas' listed as their committment?

[PlummMeanGreen]

Lists give Plumm something to quote.  It helps boost the length a post.  For instance, if I were to quote the first few lines of the emancipation proclamation, it would lenghten the post while adding absolutely nothing.

Now I can rest assured that I have added "body" to my one-sentenced opinion; making it look more impressive.

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I'm trying to find on Harry's rules of ettiquette on this board where anyone is forced to read anyone elses post no matter what the hell the length of a post is. I don't particularly like the TV show American Idol, so you know what, I don't turn my TV channel on the station that shows the program. As far as GMG.com is concerned, I learned a long time ago you can't make all the people happy all the time (nor do I try).

good-ken, you just hang in there with your Dickey Ball and you may even see UNT become a "basketball only" school in due time because no one I know from the University of North Texas (and I do know quite a few) will support this disguised and veiled success of a football program too much longer (or even at all at this junction); especially with all the radio broadcasted crapola DD has dished out about our school and its alums the last 5 years. DD is a genuine PR nightmare for those who will try to sell season tickets next summer.

Also, with DD's (obvious) unhappiness with his "verbal" body langugage on those Metroplex radio airwaves and what seems to be his general unhappiness of his being in Denton at all. I guess all this was really not what Craig Helwig and his dad, Jim Dickey, had in mind for their journeyman assistant football coach and fellow Kansas State connection; as well as former "1 year" SMU offensive coordinator.

Also, with those 2 KSU Connections pulling off this hiring coup in Denton while we North Texas Exes and Mean Green fans sat around with our fingers up our nostrils allowing this hiring coup to even take place in the first place. But what the hell, how were we to know that before we could even utter the words "selection committee of those who would be around for the next 3 head footbal coaches after DD is gone"; anyway, how were we to know that Helwig would already have DD signed to a contract which prompted most from the Mean Green Nation to say: "Darrell Who?"

Yet, good-ken, are you really happy with bowl teams that never get close to Top 25 rankings, never beat OOC schools while also losing to 1-AA schools in our bowl years (hint: more disguised & veiled success?) and those schools (Troy U with a new stadium, FAU who we have yet to beat in 2 attempts and a U of South Florida football program that was only *5 years old (2 losses vs USF) with 2 of the aforementioned schools who are now in the SBC and going forward with their programs while what we have really been doing of late is now rearing its ugly head? *What is it with these 5 year old Fla. football programs (USF, FAU, FIU) that seems to be eating our "almost 100" year old football program's lunch?

Just as many of you, I also know quite a few of the registered members on this board who are just not going to be fooled by another DD recruiting class and whose last few classes were not even of the quality as to where they were able beat (or even be competitive) against Tulsa (our worst home loss in history) or La Tech this last football season. And with many of this goup of NT Exes/MG fans I am now aware will not for long continue to $upport a DD-led football program at UNT (and much of this not only because of DD but also because of all this confrontational nature coming from NT athletic staffers toward its very cu$tomer$)

All this is probably more serious than I think Bobby Ray would ever want to realize, but since he really doesn't consult with those he'd like to see fill Fouts Field (which a school led by a "private school" educated chancellor would moreso take on such a mode of elitist attitude and operation of non-communication to the masses at a Texas public university while communicating to a hardy handful of elitists (who will hardly fill our football stadium BTW).

Still we have our Napoleon of the North (who no one I know on this forum ever saw him at Mean Green football games for 4 decades preceeding his appointment by Governor Perry); anyway, we have this guy who is single-handely force-feeding to NT Exes and MG fans (who deserve much, much more) all this SBC/Bottom 10 "nowhere even close to Top 25" football and I guess he will just continue to play his fiddle while things are burning down all around him?

So we have all this tumbling down "Humpty Dumpty-style" with BRay who will soon enough see things from fan$ that will most likely cause even him to have 2'nd thoughts as to why he vetoed RV's desire to see our football program take on new direction with higher profile results in mind. With such a new direction that would elevate us to a level to where we could actually beat (or at least be competitive) with OOC schools on our annual football schedule and get Mean Green football out of the Bottom Quadrant of NCAA D1-A.

So in essence and in many ways DDickey has made his bed hard in Denton with his (5 years running) radio broadcasted criticisms of his very employer, his employer's facilties and his employer's alums/fans and now he is just going to have to sleep in that bed (for whatever time Bobby Ray and our Chancellor determines that to be OR...........when those 2 start hearing more echoes at Fouts Field than crowd noise AND the kind of crowd noise coming from NT Exex/Mean Green fans who really want to be (once again) proud of their their alma mater's football program and the upwardly mobile direction that it could be going.

So.................."You All Like That?' This famous oft' used quote after a "Dickey Moment" from our Mean Green Radio Network boys mean't to (sarcastically) put NT Exes and Mean Green fans down). And while on this very subject, anyone else see this continuing trend from several on this present NT staff of putting our NT Exes and MG fans down and doing so with such arrogance? The arrogance of a staff who still only fills half of Fouts Field after 4 bowl games as well? Hellsbells! All this NT fan bashing started happening publicly for all to see in the stands of Fouts Field last Fall to boot.

So when has "customer bashing" become en vogue at NCAA D1-A schools who really need many more fans in the stands than we are getting in Denton? I see a whole bunch of people at UNT who could use a fresh new beginning and some new scenery because (to paraphrase eulesseagle with some variation) I think others have reached their apex at UNT, too, other than just Darrell Dickey.

<>*<> And would someone of an official capacity outside the UNT athletic department please act like you give a damn to those who you want to $upport all thi$? After all, the buck does stop at your desks, right?

Edited January 20, 2006 by PlummMeanGreen

[Coffee and TV]

Lists mean nothing...

Look at Cobbs, Hurd, Spencer, Cardwell, Kassel, etc.

1/3 of those on that list will be busts.

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Yeah because I mean none of those schools that recruits have committed to win the national title or earn a trip to the cotton bowl?

[eulesseagle]

I am as disgusted as most of us about the current state of our FB program. I could support DD, as the rest of you, if DD could win. Winning means being able to RECRUIT!!! DD and his staff have proved to all of us that he can not recruit, period.

For example, look at the state of the NTSU FB program when Coach Fry took over. The program was about ready to give up the ghost. Coach Fry demonstated to all of us what innovation, positive attitude with the university and media and being able to recruit can do for a program. This is something that DD has not been able to do except when had the assistant coach who could recruit.

DD is satisfied with mediocrity and hires mediocrity in his coaching staff. The proof is in the "quality" of recruits that we attract and sign. While other programs get rid of the coaches who can not coach or recruit DD keeps his. We have assistant coaches that do not get fired but leave for better programs. Mediocrity breads mediocrity. Perhaps, psychologically, DD does not want to hire individuals who have more talent than himself and that is the problem, IMHO.

Sure, we get a few jewels for players but overall are we satisfied with the last several recruiting classes?? My answer is NO!! Why?? Because our coaching staff can not get anything better than 2 Star recruits, 2nd team all conference and honorable mention JC. This is due to the mediocure recruiting talent of our coaching staff. What else could it be????

DD and his mediocure coaching staff are being "OUT RECRUITED" by all Mid-Major programs and D-1AA programs in this area. Is anyone satisfied with that?? I am not!!!

I could support DD Ball if he could recruit and win but he can not. IMHO, again, DD has reached the APEX of his head coaching career. He has one more year at UNT and there is not a dog gone thing that anyone can do about it except to support the team by filling the stands next year. If DD can win 2 OOC games, run the belt and beat the #4 CUSA team in the N.O. Bowl in 2006 then I could support DD again. Do I really think that this will happen??? He_L NO!!!

What OOC games do you really think we can win next year??? Texas, SMU, LaTech or Tulsa!! We know what LT and Tulsa did to us. The National Champs will hang a big-un on us and I am affraid that SMU has a much improved team and will beat us......I really hope that if we win only one game this year it will be against SMU.

Some of you live in a fanacy world about DD but take a walk in reality today and think about what is really happening. Why are we being out recruited by other Mid-Majors and other D-1AA programs and why the majority of our recruits are 2-Star and honorable mention HS and JC prospects?? Also think about why ESPN, from a previous post, list UNT with the rest of the SBC (Dante's Inferno) in the Bottom 100 of D-1A FB programs. What is the matter with this picture???

WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THIS PICTURE????

[UNTLifer]

TE Britt Mitchell Kilgore 6'5 245 4.7 Texas

TE Greg Smith Montgomery 6'5 230 4.6 Texas

TE Kyle Adams Austin Westlake 6'5 230 4.8 Purdue

TE Adrian Reese Longview 6'6 200 4.6

TE Cameron Hackney Jacksonville 6'3 240 4.9 Houston

TE Jason Fox North Crowley 6'6 245 4.9 Miami, Fla.

TE Nate Bayless Burkburnett 6'5 225 4.8

TE Andrew Holloway Galena Park 6'4 200 4.8

TE Earl Mitchell GP North Shore 6'2 245 4.8 Arizona

TE Seth Harley OLC-Mauriceville 6'3 210 4.8

TE Chris Herrera FB Marshall 6'4 275 4.9 Miss. State

TE Joe Norris Schertz Clemens 6'2 200 4.6

TE Jatrel Rollins Houston Kashmere 6'4 230 4.9

TE Trevor Stuart FB Austin 6'3 230 4.9 No. Carolina

TE J.D. Ybanez EP Coronado 6'4 215 4.7

TE Alex Arndt RR McNeil 6'4 220 4.8

TE Jeffrey Amato EP Americas 6'2 220 4.7

TE Jonathan Moore SA Marshall 6'4 215 4.9 UTEP

TE Franklin Reed Coldspr. Oakhurst 6'8 240 4.6

TE Adam James Celina 6'2 220 4.7

I'm not sure where this list came from, because the Texas Top 300 for the Class of 2006 in DC TX Football lists the following for Tight Ends:

Cammeron Hackney Jacksonville 6'3" 240 4.8

Seth Harley Little Cypress-Mauficeville 6'3" 215 4.8

Eric Mensik Rosenburg Terry 6'6" 245 4.9

Britt Mitchell Kilgore 6'5" 240 4.8

Earl Mitchell North Shore 6'2" 245 4.8

Johnny Moore SA Marshall 6'5" 215 4.8

Franklin Reed Coldspring 6'8" 235 4.7

Greg Smith Montgomery 6'4" 235 4.6

Sam Stelly Beaumont Westbrook 6'3" 235 4.8

Trevor Stuart FB Austin 6'4" 230 4.8

Best of the Rest

Kyle Adams Austin Westlake 6'5" 235 4.8

William Ball Austin Westlake 6'3" 220 4.5

Nate Bayless Burkburnett 6'5" 230 4.8

Evan Frosch Midland Lee 6'4" 220 4.9

Cory Grant Alief Elsik 6'3" 270 4.8

J.T. Rudd Cuero 6'2" 235 4.7

Bryant Seidle Cy-Fair 6'3" 230 4.8

[PlummMeanGreen]

Why do these recruiting lists "don't mean a jar of warm spit" (to quote ex U.S. VP under FDR/ Cactus Jack Garner) to many of us anymore during this era of NT football?

Because whoever we sign will still need to get good (positive) coaching, need to be developed in the weight room as well as their talents being advanced post their HS careers, need to be taught (and shown) how to respect those who do show up for Mean Green football games, need to be taught how to become good campus citizens while respecting all curfews...........and need to be taught discipline on and off the playing field.

[untgirl04]

Why do these recruiting lists "don't mean a jar of warm spit" (to quote ex U.S. VP under FDR/ Cactus Jack Garner) to many of us anymore during this era of NT football? 

Because whoever we sign will still need to get good (positive) coaching, need to be developed in the weight room as well as their talents being advanced post their HS careers, need to be taught (and shown) how to respect those who do show up for Mean Green football games, need to be taught how to become good campus citizens while respecting all curfews...........and need to be taught discipline on and off the playing field.   

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Good Post. (ewww.... warm spit.)

[Guest GrayEagleOne]

I'm not sure where this list came from, because the Texas Top 300 for the Class of 2006 in DC TX Football lists the following for Tight Ends:

Cammeron Hackney  Jacksonville 6'3" 240 4.8

Seth Harley  Little Cypress-Mauficeville 6'3" 215 4.8

Eric Mensik  Rosenburg Terry 6'6" 245 4.9

Britt Mitchell  Kilgore 6'5" 240 4.8

Earl Mitchell  North Shore 6'2" 245 4.8

Johnny Moore  SA Marshall 6'5" 215 4.8

Franklin Reed  Coldspring 6'8" 235 4.7

Greg Smith  Montgomery 6'4" 235 4.6

Sam Stelly  Beaumont Westbrook 6'3" 235 4.8

Trevor Stuart  FB Austin 6'4" 230 4.8

Best of the Rest

Kyle Adams  Austin Westlake 6'5" 235 4.8

William Ball  Austin Westlake 6'3" 220 4.5

Nate Bayless  Burkburnett 6'5" 230 4.8

Evan Frosch  Midland Lee 6'4" 220 4.9

Cory Grant  Alief Elsik 6'3" 270 4.8

J.T. Rudd  Cuero 6'2" 235 4.7

Bryant Seidle  Cy-Fair 6'3" 230 4.8

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I'm not sure where the list came from either. Could be Rivals or Emfinger or some other recruiting specialist. The list is largely the same. Nine of the ten listed in Dave Campbell's Texas Football are on Cooley's list. The exception is Mensik and he could be listed at another position. For example, Jason Fox is not in Texas Football as a tight end but rather a defensive lineman. One difference is that if we used DCTF's list, we would have one commit: Bryant Seidle.

Using that list, we would have one committ and six others that we have shown some interest in, but only three that have shown interest in us (per Rivals). My guess is that the final count will be closer to the one that we have now than the seven total that we had interest in. But, at least that would give us something. Right now, we have nothing.

[NT80]

I'm not sure where the list came from either.  Could be Rivals or Emfinger or some other recruiting specialist.  The list is largely the same.  Nine of the ten listed in Dave Campbell's Texas Football are on Cooley's list.  The exception is Mensik and he could be listed at another position.  For example, Jason Fox is not in Texas Football as a tight end but rather a defensive lineman.  One difference is that if we used DCTF's list, we would have one commit:  Bryant Seidle. 

Using that list, we would have one committ and six others that we have shown some interest in, but only three that have shown interest in us (per Rivals).  My guess is that the final count will be closer to the one that we have now than the seven total that we had interest in.  But, at least that would give us something.  Right now, we have nothing.

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I think that may be a preseason list? It has left off some players. Plano's all-state 5-A P/K is not on there, Brian Sheffield, whom NT should take a look at. NT missing on that list is a big-time PR mistake by the coaches. But we'll still read it's the best class in DD's tenure.

[SUMG]

He has one more year at UNT and there is not a dog gone thing that anyone can do about it except to support the team by filling the stands next year. 

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Where do you get that? With recent extensions....he has I think, 4 years left on his contract. Not one.

Read it and weep.

[DeepGreen]

Where do you get that? With recent extensions....he has I think, 4 years left on his contract. Not one.

Read it and weep.

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I'm getting naucious.

[PlummMeanGreen]

Where do you get that? With recent extensions....he has I think, 4 years left on his contract. Not one.

Read it and weep.

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Well, if NT leaders start hearing more echos than crowd noise at Fouts Field, I would assume even they are probably smart enough to know when things need to be changed or fixed. In my heart of hearts, I really don't think we have a group of NT leaders who really want to burn the barn down to kill a mouse over all this with some key NT athletic personnel.

After all, I am sure they don't won't such things (echoes at Fouts) to happen under their watch as the high visibility of intercollegiate athletics at UNT still seems to get more media coverage than even our NT College of Music's One O'Clock Lab Band. NT leaders (I presume) have to be concerned with their own legacy they leave behind in Denton once the are no longer involved (and we see them disappear into the woodwork like most other ex BOR's seem to always do).

AND FWIW, I now know of many who have no plans (whatsoever) of supporting Dickey Ball at all next season (or any afterwards) outside next Fall's SMU game (and maybe not even showing for that game). I think this is more serious than NT leaders (who seem to be the most un-attached group to its constituency I've seen in about 4 decades at UNT) and who really seem to be most unconcerned about any of this; but I think they will soon get concerned.

And who knows where all this will end with our NT's top leader's obvious lack of vision for high profile football or athletic success in Denton. Maybe they will one day wake up to the reality of their poor management as well as their (even poorer) decision-making as they've annually rubber-stamped mediocrity in the NCAA D1-A Bottom Quadrant & the SBC/Bottom 10; and and lets not even get started with their handling of our most expen$ive (to our main campus in Denton) pink elephant, ie, their present UNT-Dallas failure. Has that campus even hit 2,000 students with all the time its had to do such? Does anyone know just how short a drive it is to UTA for south Dallas county college bound students? What about some of them even making the drive to Denton to go to college--what a concept that is, eh? This whole idea was a complete waste of money for us the Texas taxpayers, IMHO.

Nevertheless, with all this present group of NT leader's tunnel-visioned lack of seeing what their declsions are now producing for UNT both short-term and long term with NT varsity athletics (specifically football), lets just see who wins the war with all this when all the dust finally settles (and all the shi&) has ceased to run downhill. Only problem with that is we get stuck with what gets left behind while others move on.

Since we are a public university and are supposed to have access to many things concering our "public" university, can someone find and link the details of DD's contract or even link his full contract to this forum? Sometimes there are loopholes that can be used to abbreviate longterm contracts and I think DD has some of those if what another fellow "very high profile" fellow NT Ex of ours says is true (and I have no reason to doubt him or think other-wise).

I was at a football banquet back in the 1990's when College & Pro Football Hall of Famer (and NT Ex) Mean Joe Greene was the featured speaker. He very seriously challenged NORTH TEXAS to aim its football ship toward eventually seeking an NCAA D1-A national championship; not the kind of national championship Texas State told the Bush kid he could be part of (1-AA) that caused us to lose yet another recruit to another, uh, 1-AA school.

Yet one has to wonder where Mean Joe Greene stands on all this now.

Edited January 21, 2006 by PlummMeanGreen

[gksmith]

Dallas Morning News 1/22 lists the area, state and national top 100.

No UNT in site.

[NTEdgex2]

Saw this on the DMN website. Didn't see it posted, if this is a duplicate, I apologize. (I don't know how to link)

GMG!

Football: Mean Green land two more football commitments

07:16 AM CST on Tuesday, January 17, 2006

By Brett Vito / Staff Writer

Chris Neal did a little of everything during his high school football career at Kaufman.

He played quarterback, wide receiver and defensive back in addition to returning punts. It was that versatility that helped land the District 12-3A MVP a scholarship from North Texas.

Neal confirmed Monday afternoon that he has orally committed to play for the Mean Green, who also picked up a commitment from Stafford linebacker Craig Robertson after a weekend visit. Oral commitments are non-binding. The first day high school recruits can sign national letters of intent is Feb. 1.

“I was an athlete who played a lot of positions in high school,” Neal said. “Coach [Darrell] Dickey said he didn’t know where I would fit in yet, but I think my best chance to play might be at cornerback.”

Neal, 5-8, 162, set a goal to become a Division I player several years ago and jumped at the chance when UNT offered a scholarship. He cancelled visits to several smaller schools, including Midwestern State and Arkansas Tech.

“North Texas was the first Division I school to recruit me,” Neal said. “Getting a chance to play there was an offer I couldn’t refuse.”

Neal played quarterback as a senior when he rushed for 804 yards, threw for 175 and finished with 300 yards receiving. He was timed at 4.51 seconds in the 40-yard dash last summer.

Robertson, 6-0, 210, was a second-team selection on Texas Prep Xtra’s Class 3A All-Greater Houston team.

The addition of Neal and Robertson gives UNT nine commitments heading into its second weekend of official visits. The total includes four junior college players who transferred at the semester break and will participate in spring practice.

BRETT VITO can be reached at 940-566-6870. His e-mail address is bvito@dentonrc.com .

UNT commitments

The following is a list of players who have committed to North Texas beginning in the 2006 season.

Player School

TE Brian Carlson* Kilgore CC

FB/RB Avery Curry Galveston Ball

OL Kelvin Drake Galveston Ball

DB Roy Loren* Coffeyville CC

ATH Chris Neal Kaufman

LB Craig Robertson Stafford

TE Bryant Seidle Cypress Fair

OL Trent Stanley* Coffeyville CC

QB Woody Wilson* Coffeyville CC

* Note – Player is a midterm junior college transfer who has already signed a national letter of intent.

[gangrene]

Dallas Morning News 1/22 lists the area, state and national top 100.

No UNT in site.

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I saw that too. While this year was a stellar year for high school football teams in the North Texas metroplex, it's sad that we can't even get one area top 100 recruit. I wonder if we'd have any if that list were expanded to include the top 150? 200? 300?