It has started (PC police)

[KingDL1]

Yeah go ahead and keep proving the point that you're a moron when it comes to the socio-political climate of america.

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Don't worry Rudy there are plenty of very bright people that agree with you.

[Michael Scott]

Don't worry Rudy there are plenty of very bright people that agree with you.

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On this board? Oxymoron?

[Coffee and TV]

Don't worry Rudy there are plenty of very bright people that agree with you.

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That still doesn't make him very bright.

[0footballfan0]

Yes because god forbid they help protect my civil liberties.

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That is a part of the problem...the ACLU is no longer about protecting civil liberties.

[Rudy]

That still doesn't make him very bright.

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And I suppose you are the genius on this board. But I guess that its acceptable to some people to call those who don't agree with your opinion stupid, or "not very bright" The last time I checked, this country was built, and flourished on people who had varying opinions and beliefs. But I think these days only people who have the same opinion as you, coffee, are considered bright.

Tell you what, you find a bunch of people who share the same opinion, beliefs, and theories as you, and jump off a bridge along with those who share the same opinions as you. After that, lets see how bright I am.

And since my opinion isnt worth crap to some of you, go ahead and fre up those pms. Lets be honest, the ACLU only gives a rats arse about you if you are not a white male. So, now you really don't like my opinion coffee, and michael. Oh well, I think I will be able to carry on with my life.

Edited January 17, 2006 by Rudy

[Michael Scott]

And I suppose you are the genius on this board.   But I guess that its acceptable to some people to call those who don't agree with your opinion stupid, or "not very bright"  The last time I checked, this country was built, and flourished on people who had varying opinions and beliefs. But I think these days only people who have the same opinion as you, coffee, are considered bright. 

Tell you what, you find a bunch of people who share the same opinion, beliefs, and theories as you, and jump off a bridge along with those who share the same opinions as you.  After that, lets see how bright I am. 

And since my opinion isnt worth crap to some of you, go ahead and fre up those pms.  Lets be honest, the ACLU only gives a rats arse about you if you are not a white male.  So, now you really don't like my opinion coffee, and michael.  Oh well, I think I will be able to carry on with my life.

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I just meant we're all idiots - this board is not a Mensa meeting - nor should it be.

In fact, if everything broke right - you could even call this an idiot board....

Good luck living!

[Go_UTA]

Here is a beautiful column by George Will from a few days ago about the current college mascot controvery. (BTW, if you want to study a master of the English language, read George Will.)

Chief Among the Silliness

By George F. Will

Thursday, January 5, 2006

The University of Illinois must soon decide whether, and if so how, to fight an exceedingly silly edict from the NCAA. That organization's primary function is to require college athletics to be no more crassly exploitative and commercial than is absolutely necessary. But now the NCAA is going to police cultural sensitivity, as it understands that. Hence the decision to declare Chief Illiniwek "hostile and abusive" to Native Americans.

Censorship -- e.g., campus speech codes -- often is academic liberalism's preferred instrument of social improvement, and now the NCAA's censors say: The Chief must go, as must the university's logo of a Native American in feathered headdress. Otherwise the NCAA will not allow the university to host any postseason tournaments or events. Chief Illiniwek, a symbol of University of Illinois teams since 1926, would be outlawed as "hostile and abusive" to Native Americans by an NCAA edict.

This story of progress, as progressives understand that, began during halftime of a football game in 1926, when an undergraduate studying Indian culture performed a dance dressed as a chief. Since then, a student has always served as Chief Illiniwek, who has become the symbol of the university that serves a state named after the Illini confederation of about a half-dozen tribes that were virtually annihilated in the 1760s by rival tribes.

In 1930 the student then portraying Chief Illiniwek traveled to South Dakota to receive authentic raiment from the Oglala Sioux. In 1967 and 1982, representatives of the Sioux, who had not yet discovered that they were supposed to feel abused, came to the Urbana-Champaign campus to augment the outfits Chief Illiniwek wears at football and basketball games.

But grievance groups have multiplied, seeking reparations for historical wrongs and regulations to assuage current injuries inflicted by "insensitivity." One of America's booming businesses is the indignation industry, which manufactures the synthetic outrage needed to fuel identity politics.

The NCAA is allowing Florida State University and the University of Utah to continue calling their teams Seminoles and Utes, respectively, because those two tribes approve of the tradition. The Saginaw Chippewa tribe starchily denounces any "outside entity" -- that would be you, NCAA -- that would disrupt the tribe's "rich relationship" with Central Michigan University and its teams, the Chippewas. The University of North Carolina at Pembroke can continue calling its teams the Braves. Bravery is a virtue, so perhaps the 21 percent of the school's students who are Native Americans consider the name a compliment.

The University of North Dakota's Fighting Sioux may have to find another nickname because the various Sioux tribes cannot agree about whether they are insulted. But the only remnant of the Illini confederation, the Peoria tribe, is now in Oklahoma. Under its chief, John Froman, the tribe is too busy running a casino and golf course to care about Chief Illiniwek. The NCAA ethicists probably reason that the Chief must go because no portion of the Illini confederation remains to defend him.

Or to be offended by him, but never mind that, or this: In 1995 the Office of Civil Rights in President Bill Clinton's Education Department, a nest of sensitivity-mongers, rejected the claim that the Chief and the name Fighting Illini created for anyone a "hostile environment" on campus.

In 2002 Sports Illustrated published a poll of 351 Native Americans, 217 living on reservations, 134 living off. Eighty-one percent said high school and college teams should not stop using Indian nicknames.

But in any case, why should anyone's disapproval of a nickname doom it? When, in the multiplication of entitlements, did we produce an entitlement for everyone to go through life without being annoyed by anything, even a team's nickname? If some Irish or Scots were to take offense at Notre Dame's Fighting Irish or the Fighting Scots of Monmouth College, what rule of morality would require the rest of us to care? Civilization depends on, and civility often requires, the willingness to say, "What you are doing is none of my business" and "What I am doing is none of your business."

But this is an age when being an offended busybody is considered evidence of advanced thinking and an exquisite sensibility. So, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has demanded that the University of South Carolina's teams not be called Gamecocks because cockfighting is cruel. It also is illegal in South Carolina.

In 1972 the University of Massachusetts at Amherst replaced the nickname Redmen with Minutemen. White men carrying guns? If some advanced thinkers are made miserable by this, will the NCAA's censors offer relief? Scottsdale Community College in Arizona was wise to adopt the nickname "Fighting Artichokes." There is no grievance group representing the lacerated feelings of artichokes. Yet.

[Coffee and TV]

In 1972 the University of Massachusetts at Amherst replaced the nickname Redmen with Minutemen. White men carrying guns? If some advanced thinkers are made miserable by this, will the NCAA's censors offer relief?

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He makes some decent points but the above statement is extremely over-simplified. Minutemen were patriots who rebelled against an unfair monarchy for the birth of our great nation, yet redmen is an outdated and incorrectly used term for a Native American. I guess if the Cal State Long-Beach wants to use Yellowmen or Ricers for their mascot because of the local Asian population then its just terrible, right?

[Coffee and TV]

Tell you what, you find a bunch of people who share the same opinion, beliefs, and theories as you, and jump off a bridge along with those who share the same opinions as you.  After that, lets see how bright I am. 

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I apologized for my misdirected hostility to you in my PM, but I have to let you know that this comment makes absolutely no sense.

[Eagle1855]

blah blah blah ... I am drunk ... but like I said ... blah blah blah

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this is probably the best point in this thread

[KingDL1]

The thing I liked best about this article is the point about the NCAA why are they appointing themselves as sensitivity police activists, it is definitely not their job or their business.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

That is a part of the problem...the ACLU is no longer about protecting civil liberties.

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Almost every group and everyone has good points and bad points. Sometimes these guys get carried way on the topics they want to defend, They try to make it a group situation when it is nothing more that that one person is a jerk and has caused his own problem...

My problem are the people that claim others are racists when in fact they are just as bad as well. Every ethnic group has had problems at times, Italians, Jews, Germans, Italians, Polish, French, Hispanic, etc. but some think they are the only ones that have ever had problems. Usually speaking English and trying to blend in will cause most (if not all) of the problems to go away.