Dunham's verbal attack

[pollock]

Wow... is Knox Johnson really your name?  Sounds like a name I'd give the huge angry hard hitting linebacker in a football movie.

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I think that's the name of the lady in the first photo on Gordon Keith's website right now.

[Eagle1855]

I think that's the name of the lady in the first photo on Gordon Keith's website right now.

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that is pure genius right there my friend, i laughed out loud in my office when I that came up

[PlummMeanGreen]

All of you brown nosers of the program need to lay off.  Big GD had a public forum in which to tell his side and now STH had decided to use this as his forum, which for the average fan is the best public forum.  He has given his name(at the request of Harry), and in his eyes, an accurate dipiction of what happened.  So why does everyone see the need to jump him?  DO you really think you'll earn brownie points with the Athletic department or Dunham?  If the situation occured as he said, then Dunham was in the wrong, though I can understand him being frustrated with the yelling during his broadcast.  None of this should have led to a scream laced arguement though.  My suggestion, everyone not involved with the situation (ie- participating party or direct observer) withhold comment from here on out and leave it be.  Nothing of substance is being accomplished by any of you adding your .02.

Sincerely,

Long Duc Dong

Class of '01

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Fact still remains that had we outrecruited Tulsa U and La Tech the last few years (as our 2 losses to them this year indicates that we didn't); anyway if we would have, last Saturday's game would have mean't something for both schools (instead of just ASU) and then there wouldn't have been a small crowd at Fouts Field for a fan to suddenly be vaulted into the MGRN booth to become its 3'rd broadcaster. .

FWIW, Season Ticket Holder was probaby yelling with the same level of decibels last Saturday that he always has for previous games in previous seasons at Fouts Field (except for this one last Saturday the much smaller crowd became the very reason for this whole scenario to unfold in the first place).

GOD BLESS NORTH TEXAS FANS! (We have now become like those on the floor of the Roman Coliseum several centuries ago). **I'll sure as hades be taking out a life insurance policy before I ever come back to Fouts.

(just kiddin'----sorta' anyway).

[pollock]

Thanks... I wanted to post that image but I knew it wouldn't last long, hehe...

[PlummMeanGreen]

Hello, I am the fan that George Dunham verbally attacked in front of my family and friends last Saturday after the ARKST football game.

I am a season ticket holder (4 seats)and MGC member and have been for the last four years. I have been a loyal fan since 1970. My family has attended two of the last three football banquets and one of the last two basketball banquets. We go to the spring and fall scrimmages. We had season tickets for basketball, lower bowl, for the two seasons prior to this year. I cancelled this years tickets. We have purchased raffle tickets for the Regal Eagle the last two years.

George Dunham's conduct last Saturday was reprehensible. His verbal assult was unjustified and shameful for a UNT employee.

It seems unjust that Dunham is allowed to spin this incident in his favor on his radio show and that the Athletic Department refuses to admit any wrong doing by Dunham.

We have friends who have 9 season tickets two or three rows down from the center of the press box. My seats are lower and in a different section. Each game we all tailgate together and then at game time we go to our seperate seats.  Five of the 9 season tickets are owned by a UNT fan who lives in Connecticut. He will fly his family of five down for one, sometimes two games each year. We all always try to bring someone to use the extra seats when they can not fly down to Dallas.  This past Saturday my family decided to sit with our friends in their seats up under the press box.

Here is what happened. After the game I told my wife I was going to try and catch RV down on the field.  I had watched him standing in the south endzone for the entire game and I wanted to thank him for everything he had done for our football program. My wife said, "Go ahead, I'll meet you down on the field. I hurrid down the steps. After I visited with RV I turned around and saw my wife waving. I walked over to where she, my son and friends were standing. My son mentioned to me that he thought Dunham was talking about me when GD was making his way down the steps from the press box.  Remember I am long gone, talking to RV. I didn't give my son's statement much thought other than maybe my voice carrid over the air waves but heck, I didn't cuss or say anything bad.

As we were standing on the field talking my son says, "Hey dad, here comes George Dunham." I turn and see Dunham walking towards where we are standing. His neck was lowered and his head was leaning forward and I noticed him glarring at me. As he entered our space I said,"hey George, how you doing?"

George immediately shouted out, "YOU'RE THAT JERK" "YOU DON'T BELONG HERE' 'YOU'RE NOT THE KIND OF FANS WE WANT

My wife, my son, my friends and I are stunned. What?? I replied calmly that, I have been a fan for years and I have a right to come to the games and also say what I want."

George shouted, "NO YOU DON'T"  "YOU'VE GOT NOTHING INVESTED IN THIS PROGRAM" YOU'RE DISEASED, Dunham shouted.

Dunham began to walk towards the press box, still shouting at me. When Dunham got to the where the players benches were he shouted,  "SOMEONE THAT ONLY CONTRIBUTES 75.00 PER YEAR HAD NO RIGHTS TO VOICE AN OPINION" He then shouted "JERK" "YOU'RE DISEASED" Dunham then accussed me of cussing the coaches. We all looked at each other, like what is this gus talking about?

I suggested Dunham clean up his radio show and gave him a standing ovation still perplexed as to what the heck was that all about.

This is what I didn't know at the time. When Dunham was walking down the steps from the press box someone asked him, "Hey Dunham, wheres your police escort?" Dunham replied,"I don't need an escort. If a fan like that jerk said anything to me I would go over there and put his ass back in his seat. He must be starring in his own movie, what an idiot. The coaches and players have so much more invested in this program than that jerk." My son was standing right there. In fact my son asked Dunham, "Why were we not in the shotgun with 30 seconds left?" Dunham replied, "Because Phillips isn't very good taking the snap in the shotgum."

So what did I yell that day? "Throw the ball" "shotgun" "help us RV' "throw the ball downfield" "Boo" 'We're not even trying to win this game"

But more dissappointing than Dunham's deplorable behavior was how RV treated me via telephone.  No wonder there were 25,000 empty seats!

Funny. It is no longer good enough that you buy season tickets or join the MGC. You must now pass the George Dunham litmus test on who can attend games and who can't. Who has a right to speak and who doesn't. Who is a supporter and who is not.

Sad day for UNT athletics.

Thank you for listening.

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This is still an abomination no matter who on staff lost their composure. I hope all will be resolved soon.

We don't need to be replacing NT fans who get disillusioned with off the field events for sure. We have enough to get disillusioned with some things we've see on the field of late.

GBT!

[Guest JohnDenver]

STH,

My group had an incident once with the staff. My phone conversation with RV went the same exact way. He took the word of the jacka$$ athletic assistant over the proven friend of the program who has no reason to lie. The police officer envolved called RV (on his/her own -- not by my request) and told the story and RV became sincere and apologized. The officer also came by later during the same game and apologized. Note, nothing has really changed after this incident and I always feel it teetering on the edge of happening again.

So yes, I do believe your side of the story. Please dust yourself off and continue to support our family.. Move to the lower section E with your crew. There are seats available around the Eagle Angels

Chad Hawes -- as to not be anonymous.

[MeanGreenTeeth]

[Coffee and TV]

Examples: English Soccer Hooligans, a fan in South America (Brazil or Argentina I think) MURDERED a player for losing the World Cup because he accidentally knocked the ball into his own goal.

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English Soccer hooligans are hardly the worst. Although I can't speak for everyone *cough* Liverpool *cough*.

The incident you are speaking of happened to Andres Escobar in the 94 World Cup for the Argentine team. It let the US win a HUGE upset. It wasn't so much that the guy killed him for doing it, it was simply a bar fight that went too far. The murderer recognized him and was talking sh-t at the bar, that turned into a fight, which then he pulled out a weapon.

Stupid yes, but not exactly perceived by the public as to what really happened.

Edited December 3, 2005 by Coffee and TV

[Mo Green]

Fireworks at football games...............

My thought is our girls soccer team went to College Station for the NCAA tournment and our crowd was 10 times that of smu's....... our girls basketball team has some really fantastic freshman backing up some really good upper classman. They will win 20+ games. We have some things to ralley all of us around. This mens year has not been pretty, but there doesn't need to be a mass meltdown when we have good things going on at the school and in sports.

Has anyone seen the new tennis center..........WOW!

By the way RV is getting some big fish in line that you will be hearing about in the near future.

God bless NT

Denny Kalk

GED '73

[NT80]

By the way RV is getting some big fish in line that you will be hearing about in the near future.

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Big fish? As in donors, scheduled opponents, other?

[catman12]

When it comes to supporting your favorite team whether it be high school, college, pro, etc., i'm a believer in "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all". Not that you will never question a call with your buddy in the seat next to you. But I'm not in favor of fans that do nothing but bash the players and coaches that are representing our university.

What do you really think will be accomplished as a result of ranting and raving as LOUD AS POSSIBLE about the poor coaching and playcalling? I don't understand how you think these actions will really have a positive impact on the direction of our football program.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

----Coaches, players, refs, and announcers, need to become deaf and blind when dealing with fans. Sometimes the fans may be right but often they are drunk or just plain stupid . It doesn't matter which... they should be ignored. If there is a real problem then security should be called to deal with the situation....... Remember Detroit Pistons and Indy Pacer game last year???????

---I know nothing about this situation... but Dunham is the professional in this situation and should have ignored the fan.... even worse he should have had the common sense after he cooled off to have never mentioned it on the radio.

[TeachinTodd]

I have been a season ticket holder for just this year in section E, and a fan since I first came to UNT in 1990. I will also say I laugh at the morning show on 1310. Maybe that's what we all need to do - laugh some of this off on a crappy year. As for the behavior in the stands - I heard no cussing, but I was also annoyed (as was teh group around us) with your yelling the whole game. Its hard enough to enjoy a 2-9 season, but with all that racket going on, you were more of the story than you needed to be. Just my two cents.

Todd Herauf

Class of 1994 and 2004

[untbowler]

English Soccer hooligans are hardly the worst. Although I can't speak for everyone *cough* Liverpool *cough*.

The incident you are speaking of happened to Andres Escobar in the 94 World Cup for the Argentine team. It let the US win a HUGE upset. It wasn't so much that the guy killed him for doing it, it was simply a bar fight that went too far. The murderer recognized him and was talking sh-t at the bar, that turned into a fight, which then he pulled out a weapon.

Stupid yes, but not exactly perceived by the public as to what really happened.

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It was actually Colombia but point well taken.

Edited December 3, 2005 by untbowler

[Coffee and TV]

It was actually Colombia but point well taken.

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Yeah I'm stupid, wrong country. Carlos "Superfro" Valderrama was in the bar when it happened and that's his story I believe.

[stebo]

What is with all of this "Be Quiet" stuff? Everytime someone threatens to stop buying their season tickets - people on this board rant and rave about how you should continue to buy tickets and show up at games - even if it is to just boo the coach. This guy is a loud guy, he has sat behind our group for a couple of years. We laugh at him most of the time - but it can be annoying... still, he is at every single game supporting the team... which is more than I can say for myself this year (pesky work). I could never imagine a cuss word coming out of this guy's mouth - he is just really loud, obnoxious, and up until this point - I thought he was a little retarded (seriously)... but he is a very good fan - very persistent - and we need 30K more of him for every single home game, even if we have to bus them in from the State School.

[Baby Arm!]

I wouldnt go so far as to call him a friend but I have known Dunham over 20 years going back to his student days when he was the play by play guy on KNTU for my high school football team. All I can say it is way out of character for him to "Verbally Assault" (your words, not mine) someone.

There may not have been any cussing, but it's obvious your act was wearing thin with more than one person at Fouts and in some opinions you behavior was obnoxious. Had you said nothing to Dunham, I seriously doubt he would said anything to you, but you did initiate the contact so it's not surprising Dunham let you know his opinion of your schtick. If it offended you To BAD, You seem to be able to dish it out, but when someone gives it back to you, your so upset and have to categorize it as "Verbal Abuse"

Does someone have the right to be negative, critical and loud at a football game. OF COURSE. You'd have to be naive to think that you won't here negative comments in the stands. You definately have a right to say what you want but Dunham also has a right to tell you his opinion of your act too. I think it's incredibly thin skinned to get bent out of shape when the critical comments are turned back on you.

Just my $.02

Andrew Imm

Edited December 3, 2005 by Baby Arm!

[Season Ticket Holder]

Many of you are missing the point.

It doesn't matter how loud I yelled. What I yelled was not mean or ugly and certainly was not directed at the players. How would my comments offend any coach? Most of my statements were suggestions. I didn't need RV's confirmation on Monday morning that yes, you can yell those things Bob. I already knew that.

The main reason I called RV on Monday was because I was falsely accused of cussing the coaches by George Dunham. George Dunham NEVER heard me cuss for the simple reason "I never cussed." George Dunham is lying, it's wrong, and he knows it. Dunham is using his radio show and "celebrity status?" to label, or tag me as a foul mouth fan that's not wanted at Fout's simply because he was irritated. Dunham went way over the line and there are consequences. You just don't go around lying about people.

It is amazing how many of you think you saw or heard me on Saturday. Saturday was the first time I sat in those seats with the exception of the last 8 minutes of the LAF game. It just goes to show you how many other people were yelling just like me.

[PlummMeanGreen]

What is with all of this "Be Quiet" stuff?  Everytime someone threatens to stop buying their season tickets - people on this board rant and rave about how you should continue to buy tickets and show up at games - even if it is to just boo the coach.  This guy is a loud guy, he has sat behind our group for a couple of years.  We laugh at him most of the time - but it can be annoying... still, he is at every single game supporting the team... which is more than I can say for myself this year (pesky work).  I could never imagine a cuss word coming out of this guy's mouth - he is just really loud, obnoxious, and up until this point - I thought he was a little retarded (seriously)... but he is a very good fan - very persistent - and we need 30K more of him for every single home game, even if we have to bus them in from the State School.

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Jeez, stebo, are you the same one who coined the phrase: "Hey, Joe, I hear you don't beat your wife as hard as you used to?!?!?

If I were Season Ticket Fan and with the forward/backward comments you made about him as a fan, I wouldn't know whether to come up and give you a big ol' brotherly hug or a brotherly kick. (only just kiddn', stebo)

Seriously, Steve, I agree with the part where you said we need about 30,000 more fans like Season Ticket Fan. I've heard similar comments and yells that he expressed at Fouts last Saturday from most everyone on this board (including yours truly) and most of that group who I've known for awhile now; except a handful of fellow NT Exes who have always maintained their complete civility no matter what was happening on campus.

I think many of us have observed unusual & questionable customer service skill for a long time from a (very) few in the athletic dept. staff who have apparently done all the right politickin' with a few around Denton or maybe they would have already been long gone and would have joined many their other ex NT athletic collegues at jobs (usually) of a lesser level and scope than the University of North Texas.

Seriously and FWIW, I just haven't in the past considered George Dunham as part of that group, although I think he has been heavily influenced by some of that group on our campus who are not fan/alum friendly to all of our masses they (apparently) don't think it that important to be fan-friendly to as to enhance their standing or professional career at UNT; yet the George Dunham I have observed (mostly from a distance) has most always been a friendly and gracious type person.

I first met Mr. Dunham when he and I were both co-recipients of the Ulys Knight Spirit Award in the Spring of 1996. I was duly impressed with both he and his family during that special evening for many. And Dunham in the past has always been at the top of most of our list as the consummate NT supporter, admirably so a Mean Green homer (at Fouts AND.......... on KTCK 1310 The Ticket of which he has personally received much ridicule for standing up for his/our Mean Green).

Season Ticket Fan, I think with George Dunham, this was a one time happening that he will never repeat and that not because someone on campus told him not to, but I think that that would just be the nature of the G. Dunham many of us have seen, observed and listened to on The Ticket for over a decade and have observed while he has been on the UNT payroll as our play by play guy.

For all concerned, I hope there is a friendly (and acceptable to all parties) conclusion to this.

Edited December 3, 2005 by PlummMeanGreen

[GangGreen]

What a bunch of babies.

One group crying because someone was yelling at a football game. Suggestion: Stay home and watch on TV, then the only one yelling will be your wife to get your ass off the couch.

Another group crying because the announcer for UNT said you were a jerk. So what? Why do you care what he thinks?

Then, we have a radio announcer that should be on the side of the fans and university hiding behind his microphone because he is not satisfied with confronting the guy personally. That is Chicken Sh**.

[KingDL1]

What a bunch of babies.

One group crying because someone was yelling at a football game. Suggestion: Stay home and watch on TV, then the only one yelling will be your wife to get your ass off the couch.

Another group crying because the announcer for UNT said you were a jerk. So what? Why do you care what he thinks?

Then, we have a radio announcer that should be on the side of the fans and university hiding behind his microphone because he is not satisfied with confronting the guy personally. That is Chicken Sh**.

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No Kidding, I can only wish more Mean Green fans would really get in to the games, yell and scream, stomp their feet the entire game. It is called passion! This is what cranks up the spirit! The reason this guy sticks out is there is not enough of this kind of fan. Folks there are many stadiums the fans never sit the entire game and most yell and scream until they go hoarse. Let the the team know you are there and that you care what is happening. Earn the Title "MEAN GREEN FAN"!

I know, most are just "Green" Fans and would prefer everyone in the stands to sit quietly, clap when appropriate, and show you spirit in a polite orderly manner. My God!

[El Paso Eagle]

If Letterman and Oprha can get together and resolve their difference can’t we get George and Season Ticket Holder together?????

[SilverEagle]

"Rick, please let me tell you what happened.' I pleaded. I am really worrid at this point.

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I think this sentence bothered me more than anything in this whole debacle. NO season ticket holding fan (unless they have committed a crime) should EVER be WORRIED during a conversation with ANY athletic department official.

Especially at North Texas.

Let me remind everyone that WE ARE THE CUSTOMERS HERE. WE ARE THE ONES WHO WILL STILL BE COMING BACK TO ATHLETIC EVENTS LOOOOOONG AFTER MOST OF THOSE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES HAVE MOVED ON.

What "I" would have expected to hear from RV was this..... "I've done some preliminary investigating in this matter and now I would like to hear from you on this".

If I had heard anything different, I would have been totally pi$$ed. My next call would have been to either Dr. Pohl and/or Bobby Ray.

If George Dunham thinks that STH is a "disease" then he must never have witnessed the real disease that, for years, turned that section of the stands into what I used to call "The Day of the Living Dead".

Edited December 3, 2005 by SilverEagle

[ntsumgspe]

If we brought back the GREATNESS that is BILL MERCER, we wouldn't have to worry about it.

[greensteve]

Dear "sth"-

I'm not sure if you were the guy doing all the yelling...but from what you said you were saying, I'm pretty sure you were the guy...You made the last game of the year unbearable. Not sure if you were tanked or not, but you were obnoxious, overbearing and annoying. You ruined the entire Game Experience. I know our offense was bad...I know our defense was bad...I dont need some loud mouth-know it all screaming words of discouagement towards the players or the coaches, after every frickin play.

Congrat on you being a season ticket holder, thats great...I'm glad you supprt MG atheletics and I hope you continue to do so. Everyone in the stands wants the same thing...a successful program. I've often heard that people get a "pass" when it comes to making comments at sporting events, espcially those who are "Season Ticket Holders". I heard several of our beloved MG faithfull say, "I'm a season ticket holder I can say what I want", and you can, BUT being a season ticket holder does not and never will give you the right to be an "ASS" for an entire game.

Sincerely,

Greensteve