Complex recruiting question

[eeally]

Question for the experts?

If there is 10 Div 1 schools in Texas and Texas has a pleathora of talent how does UNT get overlooked by potetial recruits? I guess what I am saying is why do recruits go to big 12 schools and sit behind 8 other guys at the same position?

For Instance: If you play QB. Are there not 5 QB's already at Texas with Vince Young being the obvious starter next year. Also they already received 22 verbal commitments for next year. If you were a 3 star recruit why would you not want to go to a UNT or say UH to get playing time immediatly. I never heard of an NFL player that made it by never starting on his college team.

It seems to me that our recruiting effort could come up big with 3-4 names every year by commiting to the player by telling him that as a Frosh he will get major consideration for a starting job.

Could UT's 2nd team across the board been better than 2-9?

[shaft]

Playing time is obviously something the school does use a recruiting tool.

And for your second quesiton. YES.

[Eagle1855]

They promise these kids they will play. Its actually better now with scholarship limits than it was back when Texas could take everyone they wanted and have tons of guys riding the bench.

When they do play they will have around 8 chances a year to be on national television (or ESPN, or FSN) versus a 0 national (ABC, CBS, etc) broadcasts at UH or UNT and a couple ESPN2 showings. Thats another difference.

Also, schools like UNT and UH dont have 50-80k fans in the stands. Anyone that has been in that environment knows how exciting it can be (unless its us @ Texas, which sucks immensley). The energy is crazy. Some players like the big stage.

I dont know if this answers the quesiton. I dont understand outside of the reasons I listed why someone wouldnt want to be a star on a team like UNT or UH rather than ride a bench. I think it takes a special kind of athlete to stray from the norm but I do think we have some of them here right now.

You will see more of the athletes you speak of at NT as we continue to build facilities, improve our national image and get back to WINNING.

...oh, and Im no expert, just opinionated

Edited November 29, 2005 by Eagle1855

[H-towngreen]

Yes there are only 10 1-A schools in Texas but you have to remember how many other schools come here to get theirs.

[Coffee and TV]

Don't forget being in a recruiting hotbed also hurts as much as it can help. You're only taking into affect the other 9 Div 1-A schools in Texas, but mediocre out of state schools also count for a lot of recruits. A player may be 2nd or even 3rd string at UT or Tech or TCU, but can start as a sophomore for Colorado/Iowa State/Mississippi.

[Cerebus]

You have to understand everyone of these recruits is THE MAN at thier high school.

They never think they are going to ride the bench. They obviosuly are going to be the first freshman to win the Heisman.

Why start at North Texas when you are going to do the same at UT or Florida? North Texas is only going to slow down that freshman Heisman campaign.

[calvin]

I have always thought the same thing. I talked to somebody that lives close to hear that went to a Big XII sschool and I asked him if he regretted it b/c he was mainly a special teams player. He said that he regretted a little bit not coming here but the degree he got from there was pretty special. So who knows. I wonder about guys like Donte Hickson from McKinney that went to OU. He was one of the most incredible high schools player i had ever seen and I thought for sure he would go play. He has been 3rd string the entire time there, you think he would to come somewhere like here and be a star. WHo knows.

[Arkstfan]

You bet other schools come into Texas. I think ULL had 22 Texans, ULM had 15 and ASU had 13 and many of them have been huge contributors for us.

[H-towngreen]

I am kind of surprised that NT does not get that many transfers from BCS schools. The only 2 I can think of are the one from West Virginia and the other from Michigan St. The one from WV quit and I dont think the MSU player is anything special. I dont know how many players typically transfer but you would have to think a good number do. Either homesickness, or cases like UT or OU where they are relegated to 3rd string after being a HS star.

[Coffee and TV]

Beau....Davidson? I think is his name, transferred from Syacuse if I'm not mistaken.

[H-towngreen]

Correct. Does anyone know the rules about how to transfer. I know you have to sit out a year, 2 if in conference. Does a player declare he is leaving and then basically goes through the recruiting process again.

[Tramp96]

1. Kids don't go to UT, Nebraska, Colorado, Miami, Notre Dame, etc. thinking they will be 2nd or 3rd or 4th string. They go with a big enough ego thinking they will beat out the guys in front of them to win the starting job.

2. Even if they go knowing they won't get immediate playing time, many of them would rather be a 2nd or 3rd or 4th stringer on a potential national championship team playing in front of 80k people than be a first stringer on a team that is fighting tooth and nail just for a bowl bid. TCU just won their conference, and their reward? They're going to the Houston Bowl. That is their reward for winning their conference. For their Big XII counterpart, the Houston Bowl will be viewed as a failure to their season.

Now you tell me...you're a big time recruit coming out of high school and you get a full-ride to a UT, Miami, Tennessee, etc. Are you going to give up the chance to be a member of a National Championship team so you can be a starter on a team that considers a lower-tier bowl the epitome of the season? Hell, even schools in the Big XII (Tech, Okie St., Baylor, Iowa St., etc.) have a hard enough time attracting these kids...and they are in a BCS conference.

This is why not every D-1 team in Texas is loaded with top Texas talent.

[soonerdon]

Correct. Does anyone know the rules about how to transfer. I know you have to sit out a year, 2 if in conference. Does a player declare he is leaving and then basically goes through the recruiting process again.

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I don't know about the declaring part....but I do know that if the coach on the team you're on now is fired or quits or dies or for whatever reason he leaves the program, you can transfer and not have to sit out a year.

[shaft]

What transfer rules are you talking about? The NCAA hasn't made any major revisions to its transfer policy. D1 to D1, and your sitting out 1 year minimum.

[Coffee and TV]

I don't know about the declaring part....but I do know that if the coach on the team you're on now is fired or quits or dies or for whatever reason he leaves the program, you can transfer and not have to sit out a year.

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are you sure that rule exists yet? I know its been said by all the talking heads at ESPN but I didn't know if NCAA took the idea seriously yet.

[mhow2]

I don't know about the declaring part....but I do know that if the coach on the team you're on now is fired or quits or dies or for whatever reason he leaves the program, you can transfer and not have to sit out a year.

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To my knowledge you must sit out one year unless the school you are leaving you releases you.

[MootPoint]

To my knowledge you must sit out one year unless the school you are leaving you releases you.

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Yep, in football and basketball and I think one other obscure sport.

No sitting in other sports though.

[MeanMag]

That's what happened to the Balor basketball team isn't it?

Coach got fired, players transferred to other B12 schools and didnt sit out one play.

Edited November 29, 2005 by MeanMag

[soonerdon]

To my knowledge you must sit out one year unless the school you are leaving you releases you.

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I don't know for sure. I heard Coach Kragthorpe of TU say this on his weekly call in radio show here in Tulsa. Someone called in and asked if a player transfers from another school is he still on scholorship during the year he has to sit out and he said yes if his grades are ok. He then said a player does not have to sit out if his coach quits or is fired.

[MootPoint]

That's what happened to the Balor backetball team isn't it?

Coach got fired, players transferred to other B12 schools and didnt sit out one play.

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Baylor agreed to it and had to petition the NCAA to agree to it, which did because of what it considered very unusual circumstances. Just a coach quitting or getting fired by itself is not unusual enough.

[H-towngreen]

Baylor was an extreme case involving murder, lies, and cover-ups. If you are going to transfer you must sit out a year.

[MeanMag]

Duplicate post...

Edited November 29, 2005 by MeanMag

[GoMeanGreen1999]

Could UT's 2nd team across the board been better than 2-9?

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[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

What transfer rules are you talking about?  The NCAA hasn't made any major revisions to its transfer policy.  D1 to D1, and your sitting out 1 year minimum.

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That is absolutely correct... the only exceptions are very strange ones. ...such as SMU athletes after the death penalty, Baylor basketball members after their problemsl, athletes affected by a school dropping a sport, and I am not sure but there may have been some exceptions made to some after the hurricanes this year...

Edited November 30, 2005 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

----I have an interesting question about Texas HS quarterbacks..... Name any ONE that went to any University IN Texas that has made it to the NFL and started more a game or two.....since about 1970.... when Ramsey of North Texas made to to Denver and started for several years. [simms doesn't count...not a Texas kid....neither does Stoney Case from Permian who went to New Mexico and started a half a dozen games for Baltimore the year before Dilfer appeared].

Before then there were several.. Don Meredith, and several older ones about that era and before... Brees and the Detmers were Texas HS kids but left the state as has others.

I can think of none... Houston may have had one or two but they were not big names. .............. waiting.......!!

The last 35 years has not been that good to SWC and Big XII (Texas) QB's. Lots of RBs and WRs, DBs and linemen....few if any QBs. Joe Ferguson was from Arkansas, in the SWC but not from Texas nor did he play for a Texas college..

Maybe they should consider North Texas.... the other places haven't produced much in the way of NFL QBs. Tech will like get one sooner or later. (Graham Harrell?)