Hey Mark - Have you guys given in to NCAA?

[stebo]

I know that the bowl game is not officially affected by the NCAA rule change but in your banner it shows - a wolf, a vaery small mention of an indian, and a picture of the team. Kind of strange not to have your team name prominent on the banner ad for your bowl game appearance, wouldn't you say? Could Arkansas State be testing out the waters for a new nickname/logo in case they get turned down by the appeal committee to keep the Indian name? Just curious. BTW, that wolf looks sharp:

Edited November 29, 2005 by stebo

[Arkstfan]

My explanation from another thread.

At TribalGrounds we've been advocating for the last 4 or 5 years that ASU create a secondary logo/mascot that could be used for the team. As we said back then, the day is going to come when the NCAA and the PC crowd is going to force us to change our nickname and mascot and we needed to have a back-up ready. Our logic was that if the fans have been using the logo and have been seeing the mascot that changing to the back-up would make the transition go more easily.

We got the idea of the Red Wolf after reading about some schools located in places with larger Indian populations that kept Indian or Tribe names but used animals as a mascot or logo at the request of the local Indians who were OK with the names but did not want a representation of a person. The three schools I found all used animals that had some sort of meaning in the Native American culture. One school used a bear (out for us because Central Arkansas is the Bears), one used an eagle (out for us because one of conference-mates is already sometimes eagles), and one used a wolf. Since there is a species of wolf called the red wolf and our colors are red and black, seemed like a natural.

So the wolf in the banner is just part of our tilting at windmills because the folks in charge at ASU were convinced the NCAA would never do anything and now seem convinced that somehow the NCAA will grant an appeal. While I refuse to accept reality and shoot for ASU informally holding on to the Indians name while using a mascot/logo that gets the NCAA and PC crowd off our rear.

[stebo]

I like that - How would it be said - The Arkansas State Red Wolfpack? Or just the ASU Wolfpack? Or simply the ASU Red Wolves? I think that using the word "red" in the name would keep the indian name alive in a small way - even if it is derrogatory in nature... eventially only the older fans would get the butt of that...

[Arkstfan]

Red Wolves.

There are no wolves in I-A.

There is a Wolfpack and a Wolf Pack but no wolves.

[SilverEagle]

Since there is a species of wolf called the red wolf and our colors are red and black, seemed like a natural.

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Also, Arkansas used to be part of the Red Wolf's turf.

[Arkstfan]

Also, Arkansas used to be part of the Red Wolf's turf.

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You are correct sir.

[greensleeves]

That wolf does look sharp, and very fierce.

I wanted to say congratulations to Arkansas State. The folks who post

over here are always very cool and I thought the fans present Saturday night

were okay too. We've always enjoyed a good rivalry with you guys and

I'm happy for your success this season. I'll be rooting for you

in the bowl game.

[Cerebus]

Congratz on the bowl game Mark, I know you and all ASU fans must feel great.

I think the wolf is a sharp idea also.

Two questions:

1) You guys ever approach you cheerleaders and ask if they would use a wolf mascot uniform if the boosters paid for it?

2) Do the posters at tribal ground still burn me in effigy and use my name as a curse word?

[Eagle1855]

To tell you the truth, I kinda like the "Red Wolves" better. I mean, how many Indians are there?

Same reason Im glad we use the Eagle as a logo and call ourselves the "mean green".

[Arkstfan]

The school has shown zip interest in the idea.

No one mentions you at TG except for the few dozen posts about that SOB that banned them.

[Cerebus]

No one mentions you at TG except for the few dozen posts about that SOB that banned them.

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I love the Internet.

[stebo]

Zero interest in the idea huh? That is very sad - The ASU Red Wolves has a great ring to it. Any school that doesn't have the type of blessing that FSU has is likely going to lose their appeal.... ASU should see that writing on the wall and voluntarily move forward with a new name - even if they do not like the fans trying to fix the problem on their own.