To Bobby Ray: You're Boy Dickey Is Splitting the

PlummMeanGreen · November 29, 2005

Do we have to wait till our own NT BOR chairman gets off the board in 2007 to get all this charade to end with Darrell Dickey? A DD who has most successfully gotten even many of the MG Nation thinking as small as all those BIG SBC wins (many close ones BTW) that allowed the Mean Green to back into 4 bowl games?

Bobby Ray: Why hasn't the rest of the NCAA embraced DD's bowl successes by even putting him on even one (serious) candidate list for consideration for a future job opening at a school above the scope of UNT? Bobby Ray, you want to answer that strategic question for all of us who have been growing a tad weary of Dickey Ball? Many who don't post who you know by first name are part of that group, too.

Bobby Ray: Do you see the Big Time schools your vacation buddy has beaten in 8 years; that is, those (even) in the Top 60 or Top 70? Are you so impressed? This ex Ulys Knight Spirit Award (1996) recipient (and 30 plus year MG fan) is not impressed at all. You think I'm the only one?

Bobby Ray: Do you realize that had 1-AA Troy U would have been in the SBC back in 2001, that it would have mostly likely been the Trojans who were the first host to the NO's Bowl since the Trojans beat our Mean Green? Did you know that? Do the rest of our Regents know that? That just one example of more veiled success for DD-led football at UNT. The future has never been so bleak in MG Country to those you want to sell all this to and I was even around here for the Bob Tyler 1981 disaster--were you?

Bobbby Ray: Have you thought about sending your Boy to Radio Public Relations 101 so he (after 8 years of under .500 football) can begin to realize that you don't continually throw barbs on radio broadcasts at the people who have been showing up to watch what many call Dickey (Boring) Ball?

And many of that same group who even give money to support all this SBC/Bottom 10 charade that a head coach who is not head football coach material has given us for 8 years (now going on 9)? Is our goal at UNT to be ranked #100 out of 119 other NCAA D1-A schools Mr. Ray? Well, thats the general annual neigborhood of Sun Belt Confernce schools if you dare look at ranking systems such a Jeff Sagarin has weeky.

Bobby Ray: Why don't you get each of your Regents a copy of the 2005 NT FB Media Guide so they can sit down to study just who DD teams have beaten to go bowling but more important, all the teams (I-AA or just out of I-AA) who DD football teams have laid eggs on the gridrion with losses to such?

Mr. Ray, if your Regents would study that NT FB Media Guide, they would discover that UNT has been playing football since 1913. So I guess you might assume we had a bit of a head start on all those Florida schools that we seem to cannot compete against for a school that has been playing FB as long at UNT? Mr. Ray, we will all get to watch an FAU team beat a DD team for the 3'rd year in a row in 2006. You going to go down and console your Boy after that loss with yet another contract extension (because most likely DD once again got out-coached for the 100'th time since he's been in Denton)?

Bobby Ray: You have lost all semblance of unbias with your buddy, Darrell Dickey and have allowed the Kansas State connection to throw you into a malaise of accepting SBC/Bottom 10 football. Amazing how that KSU connection (pre Bill Snyder KSU I speak of) haven't really been all that successful before.

Bobby Ray: You want to explain yourself to the very ones you's like to show up to continue to watch most undisciplined Dickey Ball in 2006? You going to market this product next summer and if so..............good luck.

Please, Mr. Ray, sit down and put the pencil to all the upcoming red ink for UNT football because of your wanting to continuously keep off the NT payroll the ONE who will raise Mean Green football above and beyond the level of the SBC/Bottom 10 whose annual mediocrity has made DD the next Vince Lombardy of Bottom 10 NCAA D1-A football.

Don't let your friendship with Darrell Dickey set this football program back another generation, sir, thats all we ask.

GOD BLESS TEXAS!

Edited November 29, 2005 by PlummMeanGreen

stebo · November 29, 2005

Plumm, it was that same Bobby Ray that "loaned" the Athletic Department (through the BOR) - $1.3 million bucks to START the athletic center... and then when we came up short - went BACK to the board - and sold them on a second "loan" for another $1.7 million just to finish it out. The to top it off - he somehow talked the board into "loaning" us yet another $1.1 million bucks to put new turf on the field (how soon we forget) and to refinish the track. Do you think that we refinished the track so that the track team had a nicer surface to run on? Hell no - we did it because it looks better on TV with a brand new track when the football team is playing. That man which you seem to hate simply because he goes hunting with DD has been responsible for getting us about $4.1 million bucks in the last 12 months in loans that never have to be paid back.

When you think about it, he really is responsible for raising even more... He also approved the student service fee raise AFTER it had been voted down in a referendum election, charging the kiddos anyways. What BOR Prez would have ever done that in the past? I mean - we had this huge campaign - the students showed up in RECORD numbers to vote on the fee (either for or against it).. and it was defeated - but Bobby Ray just had SGA write up another referendum to pass in SGA regular session - then had the BOR approve it - and BAM - we have an extra $1.3 million bucks a year in student service fees. Sure, it wasn't the $2.7 million that RV had been seeking - but it was (and still is) a good chunk of change - and it never ends, it will continue to come in as income for years to come.

You take the good with the bad. I will take Bobby Ray and Dickey being buddies as long as he keeps the support coming. We need everyone on the same page and working TOGETHER to achieve the ultimate goal. In order to have that kind of group muster, they have to like each other. Would you rather the two of them hate each other? Because I can guarantee you that BR would not have put his butt out on a limb to get Dickey a brand spanking new athletic center, new turf, higher salaries for all of the staff, a higher operating budget, and new practice fields if the two didn't get along. I will take the fact that they like to go shoot some guns together - no problem there - just keep that money rolling in under the carpet the way that it has been and I will keep my mouth shut... and I would hope that you would too.

flyonthewall · November 29, 2005

Amen Plumm

Open your eyes and ears stebo

Right now it is not where we have been, it is where are we going?

CorinthEagle · November 29, 2005

Someone reopen the pharmacy in Parker County so PMG can get back on his medication.

DallasGreen · November 29, 2005

Well said-- a look back to 2005

1) Winless in ALL home games for first time in 23 years and only the second time in the history of storied Fouts Field which should soon be one of the finest track stadiums in Texas.

2) Consecutive losses giving up 54 points to Tulsa and KSU.

3) Six straight losses to end 2005

4) No OOC wins yet again and they are getting more lopsided each year.

5)Gone from best of worst to worst of worst --LAST in SBC.

6) A 2006 season with NO winnable OOC games including an NCAA record setting slaughter @ UT and a humbling old fashioned butt kicking at home by SMU

Now tell me again about one more chance.

PlummMeanGreen · November 29, 2005

And stebo, from that same kitty, they could get the necessary funds to buy out DD's contract so we can move ahead and get a coach whose alums would quickly be show that there is life "above" a SBC/Bottom 10 existence. DD has many of you merely wanting to get back to the top of the SBC/Bottom10 as will be just what the doctor ordered. Seems funny that many of you were concerned in years past about DD's approach to OOC game which was just basically showing up for the games, now that, even against the La Tech and Tulsas. Does anyone realize that this football season was the culmination of 3-4 not so good recruiting years?

Yet good ol' homespun DD with his George Goble "woe is me and it's me against the world" at UNT seems to have the other half of those of a MG Nation split just as duped. Again, in 40 plus years of being a fan of NCAA D1 football, I don't think any other schools could top what Bobby Ray is allowing to happen at UNT with a coach who will never get to .500 no matter how many contract extensions Bobby Ray keeps giving him. And Mr. Ray: Do we have to give good this Kansas State ex the same amount of time NT has given our Lady Eagle's head coach, which for her is no 17 years and still way under .500, sir)? Is this some kind of new trend with progressive NCAA D1-A athletic programs? Some of us would like to know if we are going to keep on supporting this mediocrity as to why on all this?

stebo, DD shows up for one flag football game and your (suddenly) a DD supporter forever? Seems this time last year that was not the case. Come on, Steve, you are one of the best NT fans and supporters, just study that NT football media guide a little closer to see where many of us are now coming from...please?

GOD BLESS TEXAS!

Arkstfan · November 29, 2005

You take the good with the bad.
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{SIGH}

I bet you could swap the names and the story works at every Sun Belt school.

The Board member at ASU who fought to get more funding and improvements for the athletic department is the same one who blocked firing Nutt.

PlummMeanGreen · November 29, 2005

Someone reopen the pharmacy in Parker County so PMG can get back on his medication.
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I've got plenty of it and have the last 2 months especially--its called truth serum.

GBT!

MeanGreenEngineer · November 29, 2005

Bobby Ray: Do you see the Big Time schools your vacation buddy has beaten in 8 years;
GOD BLESS TEXAS!
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Yes, Comrade PlummMeanGreen, you are following the orders of you Communist Overlords to perfection.

GOD BLESS LITHIUM!

Also, continue to ignore stebo's posts about Bobby Ray getting over 4 millions dollars to athletics in the last year alone. Excellent work.

Michael Scott · November 29, 2005

Yes, Comrade PlummMeanGreen, you are following the orders of you Communist Overlords to perfection.
GOD BLESS LITHIUM!
Also, continue to ignore stebo's posts about Bobby Ray getting over 4 millions dollars to athletics in the last year alone. Excellent work.
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Being self referential to your own lame joke is hilarious.

Really funny.

Adds a lot to the board.

Ha.

Yes Plumm has most likely gone insane and the repition of points is making my eyes bleed (even if many of them are right), but your addition is like the doo doo icing on a vomit cake.

We don't need to attack Bobby Ray though either - what is the sense in that?

Edited November 29, 2005 by Michael Scott

stebo · November 29, 2005

Yes, Comrade PlummMeanGreen, you are following the orders of you Communist Overlords to perfection.
GOD BLESS LITHIUM!
Also, continue to ignore stebo's posts about Bobby Ray getting over 4 millions dollars to athletics in the last year alone. Excellent work.
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It is well over $4 million in the last year... with an additional $1.3 to come in every year after - pretty much forever. Like I said Plumm, I won't get into the silly arguement about firing Dickey - and NO - having him show up at a freaking flag football game didn't "win" me over. I was won over about the 4th time I passed out in New Orleans... maybe if you had ever actually gone to one of our bowl games then you would have been won over as well.

Chastise Bobby Ray all you want on this board - all it will do is alienate one of the best guys that has ever come along for NT. We have already allowed Jackson to run off our beloved Dr Pohl - lose Bobby Ray and we are SCREWED. Do you hear me on that? We lose Bobby Ray - and we are S-C-R-E-W-E-D. So watch your words about him, he is the glue that is holding us together at this point. RV and DD barely talk as it is, we need Ray to act as an in-between for them.

PlummMeanGreen · November 29, 2005

Being self referential to your own lame joke is hilarious.
Really funny.
Adds a lot to the board.
Ha.
Yes Plumm has most likely gone insane and the repition of points is making my eyes bleed (even if many of them are right), but your addition is like the doo doo icing on a vomit cake.
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Repetition of good habits is what made the great Helen Keller the person she became. Its just necessary sometimes at some state of Texas influenced institutions. You think if Hayden Fry were AD (again) that DD would be around next year? We have a good AD with Rick V, but apparently he has been getting some unsolicitated assistance for much too long in Mean Green Country.

Bobby Ray: Let the NT AD do his job and you do yours--which probably should include having the UNT-Dallas project transferred to the TAMU or Texas Tech Systems since we are having a difficult time funding it and make it a free standing university; and that even with the Texas legislators trying to bend some enrollment rules to help with that. LEAVE ATHLETICS ALONE, BOBBY RAY, BECAUSE LOOK AT WHAT WE REALLY HAVE NOW AFTER 5 YEARS IN THE WORST CONFERENCE IN NCAA D1-A.

Darrell Dickey is like ex Presiden Jimmy Carter inasmuch that he has half of the Mean Green nation accepting mediocre malaise and has created a helluva' lot of Stepford Eagle fans with that group as well (if you get my drift). Funny how many of that group were the biggest critics of Dickey Ball and non-stop radio barbs by DD aimed at NT Exes and fans. I just don't get it with this 8 year long chapter of NT Athletics, I really don't.

GBT!

Edited November 29, 2005 by PlummMeanGreen

Michael Scott · November 29, 2005

Repetition of good habits is what made the great Helen Keller the person she became. Its just necessary sometimes at some state of Texas influenced institutions. You think if Hayden Fry were AD (again) that DD would be around next year? We have a good AD with Rick V, but apparently he has been getting some unsolicitated assistance for much too long in Mean Green Country.
GBT!
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Anytime Helen Keller is brought into things all I can now think of is that Thanksgiving Southpark with Gobbles and Timmy in "Hellen Keller: The Musical."

I agree the points need to be raised but perhaps not on every thread, every hour. That approach will never win over the people you're trying to win over - even it is fun to print your rants out for bathroom reading.

PlummMeanGreen · November 29, 2005

Anytime Helen Keller is brought into things all I can now think of is that Thanksgiving Southpark with Gobbles and Timmy in "Hellen Keller: The Musical."
I agree the points need to be raised but perhaps not on every thread, every hour. That approach will never win over the people you're trying to win over - even it is fun to print your rants out for bathroom reading.
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No where have I said I get cousin Guido over from Sicily to take care of those who don't read anything I post, MS.

Some do know I (and many others) who have been around the Mean Green scene for awhile (going on 4 decades for me) and might (along with those others) just sorta' know what works in Mean Green Country and what doesn't?

We can do better than DD on our payroll (because we have before) and many of you out there know that, but why our NT leaders want to delay those upcoming improvements because they think ol' DD is just a good ol boy is the $64,000 question that has many now asking questions about our very NT leadership.

Now I know that some will try to take some of this to a personal level toward me because thats human nature; and some of that group can't handle the truth of what 8 years of DD Ball and veiled SBC/Bottom 10 "so called" success has shown us all...............but my stock, bloodlines and Texas legacy comes from a great-great grandfather who was one of the first appointed Texas Rangers back in the early 1830's of which one of his jobs was to go out and kick some Commanche/Kiowa ass, so if anyone thinks any kind of personal barbs aimed at me is going to stop this NT Ex from expressing his opinion on any matter as many times as I want, they wouldn't know a Texas Ranger from a Barney Fife!

GOD BLESS TEXAS!

Edited November 29, 2005 by PlummMeanGreen

MeanGreenEngineer · November 29, 2005

Being self referential to your own lame joke is hilarious.
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Where should I begin, the repetition is part of the irony.

See it's "Ironic", I'll let you look that one up yourself, that I complain about PlummMeanGreen's repetition by repeating the same post. And how do I make fun of his unproven Darell Dickey and Bobby Ray moonlight stroll on the beach theories? By throwing out the unproven PlummMeanGreen is a communist conspiracy. The use of unnamed, unverifiable sources? By stating the fact that L. Ron Hubbard's latest incarnation, who wishes to remain anonymous, considers PlummMeanGreen to be the biggest threat to Operating Thetan's today. It's all a fact, a long time poster told me so.

but your addition is like the doo doo icing on a vomit cake.
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So your flawless plan for real comedy is poo poo jokes?

I have to re-think everything. This man is a comedic genius. Long Live Michael "poo-poo" Scott!

Vomit Cake! HaHa!

Michael Scott · November 29, 2005

No where have I said I get cousin Guido over from Sicily to take care of those who don't read anything I post, MS.
Some do know I (and many others) have been around the Mean Green scene for awhile (going on 4 decades) and might (along with those others) just sorta' know what works in Mean Green Country and what doesn't?
We can do better than DD on our payroll (because we have before) and many of you out there know that, but why our NT leadrers want to delay those improvements because they think ol' DD is just a good ol boy is the $64,000 question that has many now asking questions.
GBT!
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Hey we agree on that - although my internal debate it is what happens if you pull the trigger now rather than next year. In reality, if you know someone is wrong, you don't with them, but I don't trust us to line up the best candidates right now for replacements with all that is in flux with the university. Therefore, if Dickey has one more year, its okay with me and will not affect my support. Who knows, maybe he'll rededicate himself to redrafting the playbook some this off season after the fall out from this season settles?

I have not been around for as long as you have, and I have seen my own share of power struggles and shady doings in other corners of the university through my own campus involvement, but I do agree we can do better. I think almost everyone on here does. That's why its funny there is such personal and vindictive debate between the same 30 people everyday when we all ultimately want the same thing.

(Except for a few people who fight like hell to preserve and defend the status quo for whatever reason - this does not mean Dickey supporters - but just reread different posts and you'll spot them. It's like herpes: I may not be able to describe it, but I sure as hell know it when I got it.)

Michael Scott · November 29, 2005

Where should I begin, the repetition is part of the irony.
See it's "Ironic", I'll let you look that one up yourself, that I complain about PlummMeanGreen's repetition by repeating the same post. And how do I make fun of his unproven Darell Dickey and Bobby Ray moonlight stroll on the beach theories? By throwing out the unproven PlummMeanGreen is a communist conspiracy. The use of unnamed, unverifiable sources? By stating the fact that L. Ron Hubbard's latest incarnation, who wishes to remain anonymous, considers PlummMeanGreen to be the biggest threat to Operating Thetan's today. It's all a fact, a long time poster told me so.
So your flawless plan for real comedy is poo poo jokes?
I have to re-think everything. This man is a comedic genius. Long Live Michael "poo-poo" Scott!
Vomit Cake! HaHa!
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Yup, I planned it out, stayed up until 3 am writing it, and went for a homerun. I tried my hardest - as did the coaches - so why not defend me too?

PS: I know you are new here, but believe it or not, there are people on this board who are connected to the scene and can be trusted. The AD dept even knows them and interacts with them. I know you may be jealous because its like a distant castle to you, but, maybe, just maybe, posts like that are allowed to stay up because other people have verified them. Look at how the board's admin tries to check some of the rumors - yet has anyone ever challenged something that was discussed before you got here?

Edited November 29, 2005 by Michael Scott

LongJim · November 29, 2005

It's like herpes: I may not be able to describe it, but I sure as hell know it when I got it.)
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Eww.

eulesseagle · November 29, 2005

Regardless of who needs meds let me say this:

1. We have DD for at least one more year......so why in the blazes are we talking about when we "should" have gotten rid of him.....last year or 7 years ago. FACT IS THAT DD AND HIS STAFF WILL BE HERE ONE MORE YEAR, PERIOD!!!!!!

2. Whether or not BR, RV and DD are all Texas Good 'Ol Boys who hunt, fish, vacation and have lunch together ..... who cares ....????

3. IMHO RV and DD have agreed to see what went wrong this year, period!!! We all know what went wrong because the note came in a hermanically sealed mayonasise bottle left in front of funk and wagnor's door!!! IMHO, this is a basic ultimatum to put out or get out next year!!! What else can you read into the message???

4. For PMG you have one more year of eye blistering posts for us to read. Darn it, I agree with some and disagree with others but respect them none the less.

5. For MGE you have one more year to medically harass PMG's posts.

6. We will just have to agree to disagree but one thing for certain we have DD back next year......and perhaps a NEW AND IMPROVED VERSION.

PlummMeanGreen · November 29, 2005

Regardless of who needs meds let me say this:
1. We have DD for at least one more year......so why in the blazes are we talking about when we "should" have gotten rid of him.....last year or 7 years ago. FACT IS THAT DD AND HIS STAFF WILL BE HERE ONE MORE YEAR, PERIOD!!!!!!
2. Whether or not BR, RV and DD are all Texas Good 'Ol Boys who hunt, fish, vacation and have lunch together ..... who cares ....????
3. IMHO RV and DD have agreed to see what went wrong this year, period!!! We all know what went wrong because the note came in a hermanically sealed mayonasise bottle left in front of funk and wagnor's door!!! IMHO, this is a basic ultimatum to put out or get out next year!!! What else can you read into the message???
4. For PMG you have one more year of eye blistering posts for us to read. Darn it, I agree with some and disagree with others but respect them none the less.
5. For MGE you have one more year to medically harass PMG's posts.
6. We will just have to agree to disagree but one thing for certain we have DD back next year......and perhaps a NEW AND IMPROVED VERSION.
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In all honesty, ee, I never for one minute really believed we had anyone presently on the UNT campus who would have the gonads to fire DD, especially in light of all those damn extensions our NT leaders kept giving the poor guy which would only persevere and continue the stark naked truth for all to discover that DD is at best, a journeyman college football assistant coach. In a weird sort of way, you almost have to feel as sorry for DD.

I know how inefficient I would look if someone made me chief CEO of AT& T, Inc. (God help them)!

Hey! My heart (and pocket book) would for certain be excited about such a lofty position with AT & T, but by my talent inefficiencies would eventually begin to glaringly show in due time and would soon eat my proverbial lunch.

GOD BLESS TEXAS!

Edited November 29, 2005 by PlummMeanGreen

ipEAGLE · November 29, 2005

On a positive note... Atleast we aren't Rice.

SilverEagle · November 29, 2005

On a positive note... Atleast we aren't Rice.
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Rice is in CUSA. They may have one more loss than us, but at least their conferences losses were against competition that's a bit more highly regarded than our SunBelt competition.

ipEAGLE · November 29, 2005

This is the same Rice who almost dropped Football.

eulesseagle · November 29, 2005

PMG---

In all honesty schools like UNT are stepping stones for college assistant coaches and high school/JC coaches but sometimes we get lucky and land someone who has been a head coach. Other than Coach Fry did we or have we had a head coach that had prior college head coach experience??

Nobody is going to fire DD this year & that is a given!! Perhaps next year if he does not produce!! That is what I humbly read into the statement!!

Next Year!!

PlummMeanGreen · November 29, 2005

PMG---
In all honesty schools like UNT are stepping stones for college assistant coaches and high school/JC coaches but sometimes we get lucky and land someone who has been a head coach. Other than Coach Fry did we or have we had a head coach that had prior college head coach experience??
Nobody is going to fire DD this year & that is a given!! Perhaps next year if he does not produce!! That is what I humbly read into the statement!!
Next Year!!
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ee, I am not the only one who feels as strongly about DD's inefficiencies OR about NT powers that be's accepting of (well documented by polls) NT's college football status. Even in the 4 bowl years we didn't even get anywhere close to a Top 25 ranking which a few in what many of us used to call the lowly MAC have now accomplished.

One NT Ex days ago told me that he "literally" hates DD. Well, my discontent with him is not at that stage. I do hate what we are getting that our school leaders are force-feeding on us, though. I do hate the arrogancy this man showed who (gimmee' a freakin' break) coaches in the SBC/Bottom 10 when he dished out non stop sarcastic barbs aimed at people like you and me. All that beginning post ULM loss 5 years ago when some have said the guy was fired by Rick V after that game (but rehired by Bobby Ray). Have any of you heard of similarly confused management happening at any other outposts in NCAA D1-A?

The part of all that DD radio bashing that is now obvious to a growing number is that NT BOR chairman Bobby Ray apparently was just fine with it all at the time OR................he would have nipped that kind of radio broadcasted lagniape at the bud the first time DD opened his mouth bashing NT fans and alums; all of that over the Metroplex radio airwaves for all to hear, including potential NT recruits.

Hellsbells, maybe we now all know why we aren't recruiting at the same level of (now) some SBC schools, Tulsa U and La Tech ? Any of you really think we will this Winter in light of what some of you are posting about how bleak our recruiting appears to be (with those we usually recruit against? What you do in the dark will come out in the daylight a parent once told me as a youth.

This DD deal has run amuck at NT and there are many of what I now know are a growing number who are (in no wise) happy with those who keep rubber-stampin' this annual charade , either. As they say, there will be a day of reckoning with such poor decision-making because after all, there are over 100,000 NT Exes in the Metroplex alone many of whom can read this board and recruiting lists, too, right?

GOD BLESS TEXAS!

Edited November 29, 2005 by PlummMeanGreen