Who Looks more foolish now..

[Stan R]

I think many of you see where I'm going with this..

[Coffee and TV]

Definately A&M, Nebraska is in a transition phase. They still have players that were recruited for a completely different type of offense. Their defense on the other hand is just plain pathetic.

[Eagle1855]

I think many of you see where I'm going with this.. 

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Apples and Oranges with BCS conferences, if the comparison you refer to is firing one coach and ending up worse off. However, both of these guys are questionable hires in the first place.

Frank Solich was winning with the talent recruited before him, thus it may be a misconception that Solich was a better coach than Callahan...Its kind of like blaming an incumbent president for the sad shape of the economy when he has only been in office for 2 years-- the wheels were set in motion long before. Still question firing a 9-3 coach tho-- that takes huevos

Slocums time was done either way. A&M just screwed up hiring a guy who's success was based on LaDanian Tomlinson and winning in a weak conference. Just my opinion

[Coffee and TV]

a guy who's success was based on LaDanian Tomlinson and winning in a weak conference. Just my opinion

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whoa, that sounds familiar.

[Stan R]

please explain to me how this is apples and oranges. Just because BCS schools have more money? That's weak.

[Michael Scott]

please explain to me how this is apples and oranges.  Just because BCS schools have more money? That's weak.

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Does this mean we can scrap the line of reasoning that BCS schools have all the chances and we will never compete and shouldn't expect to until we have a new stadium and a $4 billion dollar endowment?

I think Fran and Callahan proved they had a big bag of nothing except when they either could ride a star player or play inferior teams - and that does sound familiar.

[Eagle1855]

please explain to me how this is apples and oranges.  Just because BCS schools have more money? That's weak.

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Thats exactly why. Im not saying you dont run the same risk as the A&Ms and Nebraskas of the world by firing a coach, then ending up with someone worse. Im not really disagreeing with your logic. Its just alot harder for a non BCS team to make a comeback than the BCS conferences. We are building. They are maintaining or tweaking. Coaches that can "sell the program" to the fans and players are harder to come by for non bcs teams. We arent really the "dream job" for anyone.

I think A&M and Nebraska losing are unacceptable for programs with that much money. IF you have that much money, you should be able to find a winning coach (an orange if you will)--and they will. The difference is that every successful Div 1A non BCS team's coach (the apples) gets hired off the second they are successful.

There are other factors that make BCS hirings different than non BCS, and most all of it comes down to money.

Texas has multiple coordinators/coaches that could (and probably will be) Div1a head coaches at other schools (and are paid as such right now). You think Chizik is going to be at Texas next year if his defense helps Texas win a National Championship? I doubt it. And in the event of that, they have the money to hire away another coach that is doing well elsewhere just like they did to Auburn last year. Surely you dont think Mack Brown is the coaching genius behind their success. haha

Look at UTAH/Florida, etc.

I think Dickey would be gone in a second if we didnt suck in OOC games so badly and there was a school that had more "support" that wanted him.

NT and other mid majors (tho I dont know we qualify as one) dont have the money to pull in the "big-time" coaches or the supporting casts that you see in an "elite" program (tho I dont think A&M qualifies as won), therefore it is a more difficult to compare the two. Once our coaches become big time, they are picked over.

Maybe the problem isnt that there is a difference between apples and oranges, the problem is that all the good apples become oranges.

[Stan R]

I think Fran and Callahan proved they had a big bag of nothing except when they either could ride a star player or play inferior teams - and that does sound familiar.

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Hmm... Arsenio Hall - finger to the forehead..

[MeanMag]

Nebraska in my opinion, They are less than a decade removed from being top 5 in the country. A&M was never there.

A&M has to deal with the big 12 south, which is tougher than the north. A&M did get killed by iowa state, but at the same time, I think A&M has been in this position for a little while, while Nebraska is totally lost as to what to do, and what happened to their team.

I can offer ONE reason for nebraska not being one of the best teams in the nation.

LOCATION.

The best college atheletes do not want to go play football up north in the cornfields where they are constantly skipped over by east and west coast media. They'd go play in a place with character excitement and a nice climate like California, Austin, Florida or east coast, where they get noticed by lots of people at Notre Dame, Pitt, or Virginia.

That being said, Iowa isn't any of those places, neither is College station (its in the sticks).

Dallas isn't much better, it gets exciting from time to time, but outside of major sporting events there isn't much that goes on.

[Eagle1855]

So Im on cold medication and trying to get over being sick while at work, and I think I got lost in my logic some haha

My point tp the previous essay is, its easier to "hit" when hiring a coach for a big-time BCS program because you essentially have the pick of the litter. Best talent, most money, tradition, blah blah blah. Not making excuses, staing facts.

Its more difficult when you are trying to build a program because I think its a challenge to find a guy who will work for the pay we can afford and bring us up to the next level. This is not to say I do not think it can be done. I think it WILL be done at NT. I dont think Dickey is the guy, and I m positive his staff isn't it. I think the next hire at NT is crucial, and I think RV knows/sees that. Just an opinion.

[Eagle-96]

I can offer ONE reason for nebraska not being one of the best teams in the nation.

LOCATION.

The best college atheletes do not want to go play football up north in the cornfields where they are constantly skipped over by east and west coast media.  They'd go play in a place with character excitement and a nice climate like California, Austin, Florida or east coast, where they get noticed by lots of people at Notre Dame, Pitt, or Virginia.

HUH??? How do you explain 5 national titles for Nebraska.

That being said, Iowa isn't any of those places, neither is College station (its in the sticks).

Dallas isn't much better, it gets exciting from time to time, but outside of major sporting events there isn't much that goes on.

There isn't much going on in DFW??? HUH???

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[H-towngreen]

Coach Fran is lucky he inherited McNeil or it would be a lot worse. Take that back he would no longer be there by this point.

[untgirl04]

Nebraska in my opinion, They are less than a decade removed from being top 5 in the country.  A&M was never there.

A&M has to deal with the big 12 south, which is tougher than the north.  A&M did get killed by iowa state, but at the same time, I think A&M has been in this position for a little while, while Nebraska is totally lost as to what to do, and what happened to their team.

I can offer ONE reason for nebraska not being one of the best teams in the nation.

LOCATION.

The best college atheletes do not want to go play football up north in the cornfields where they are constantly skipped over by east and west coast media.  They'd go play in a place with character excitement and a nice climate like California, Austin, Florida or east coast, where they get noticed by lots of people at Notre Dame, Pitt, or Virginia.

That being said, Iowa isn't any of those places, neither is College station (its in the sticks).

Dallas isn't much better, it gets exciting from time to time, but outside of major sporting events there isn't much that goes on.

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Gotta disagree with you there. Do you realize the fanatacism of football people in Nebraska? They Will their season tickets to people to keep them in the family. I think players care less about the "east and west coast media" and more about making it to the NFL, where many, many Nebraska players have found a home. NFL coaches pay less attention to the media and a lot more attention to their scouts.

TAMU players also get a lot of press. I'd have to say in this case TAMU looks more foolish just because they've let Fran do lots of things to change (almost a swear word at College Station) and he hasn't made them any better. I say give Callahan one more year at Nebraska. If he doesn't turn it around then, Nebraska looks pretty foolish. In addition, you kinda counter your own point.... you say Nebraska was recently in the top 5, and now they're not one of the best teams because of their location? Nebraska didn't move, as far as I know, and yes, Nebraska is having a few down seasons. But since Nebraska had a 40 year history of bowl game appearances before this recent slide, I doubt location plays any part in their slump.

[Got5onIt]

I think many of you see where I'm going with this.. 

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Kansas is a decent program on the upswing. Mangino is pretty damn good coach IMO. Nebraska recruited a pretty good QB this year. They will be back.

[MeanMag]

Gotta disagree with you there. Do you realize the fanatacism of football people in Nebraska? They Will their season tickets to people to keep them in the family. I think players care less about the "east and west coast media" and more about making it to the NFL, where many, many Nebraska players have found a home. NFL coaches pay less attention to the media and a lot more attention to their scouts.

TAMU players also get a lot of press. I'd have to say in this case TAMU looks more foolish just because they've let Fran do lots of things to change (almost a swear word at College Station) and he hasn't made them any better. I say give Callahan one more year at Nebraska. If he doesn't turn it around then, Nebraska looks pretty foolish. In addition, you kinda counter your own point.... you say Nebraska was recently in the top 5, and now they're not one of the best teams because of their location? Nebraska didn't move, as far as I know, and yes, Nebraska is having a few down seasons. But since Nebraska had a 40 year history of bowl game appearances before this recent slide, I doubt location plays any part in their slump.

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Times change, students change. I think students now, are looking for the whole package now that they can get it, and I don't think Lincoln, Nebraska is a very glamorous location. And last time I checked, it didn't move, which means its still in the corn fields. It might be nice, but not glamorous. Why would any student that isn't mormon want to go to a university with nothing around it? That is my opinion.

They have fallen farther than anyone and, IMO farther than A&M, therefore they look more foolish.

Fanaticism doesn't really play a role in my post. I think we can all agree that A&M people are nutz too. In fact, all college football fans are. And not just college ones, even.

You are right about kids wanting to get to the NFL, and NFL coaches listening more to their scouts than media. But why not have both?

And you're also right that TAMU's Reggie McNeil gets a lot of press. The foolishness comes from being an engineering school that can't build a fire.

IMO, I will be surprised if Nebraska makes it back anytime soon to where they once were. There are now better coaching staffs in better locations with better facilities.

P.S. What goes on in Dallas that I should know about that makes it more exciting? I can't surf here, or swim year round, or go catch a good live band every night.

[ipEAGLE]

A&M... they should have kept Slocum. Fran is a terrible coach.

[Harry]

I don't think Nebraska Fans have the patience for Callahan. His fate depends on how the remaining games go for them this season.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

----The extremely elite athletes want to go to a place that has a history of producing NFL players (Miami, Notre Dame, SoCal, etc). Of the rest (who aren't concerned about an education) what to go to a fun place where they can play and be on TV. Some want to stay near enough to home that family and friends can watch the games etc. and a few (unfortunately now) want to go to a university where they can get a good education (and future connections) because they realize a college career will be the final place they play football. Too many athletes are unrealistic and think "I am going to be a pro".... that rarely happens and only a few make it... even at UT or A&M. It is ok to hope but-- not to expect and be disappointed and be unprepared for the future.

---Nebraska does have problems recruiting out of the state when competing against "fun" places but NU does well with local athletes. I am amazed that they have done as well as they have but it helps to be in a high profile conference.. A&M should be doing much better considering the high-profile program they run with lots of money and the ability to hire about any coaches they want. Schools like NT on the other hand may get outstanding coaches at times but when this is realized, they will be gone for places with a higher salery and more prestage. Example: Our defensive coach we had a few seasons ago who coached "Booger" et al. left for UCLA.

---Texas Tech is not located in a fun place (any place worse???--no water, hills, scenery, big cities ?) but they kick rear regularly now because they have a smart coach. (with the personality of a brick) Their biggest draw is they are a Big XII school, but so are 11 others universities who usually lose to them and are located in more exciting places...( Lubbock makes Midland look exciting )

---The criticism I have of our present group is that they seem to have a history of not adjusting their game plan very well when what they are doing is not working. I don't care how much they pass, just do what works and practice passing when possible when you have a good lead. You don't have to pass much.... just have the ability to do so when needed and do it enough to have the opponent realize that you really can pass so they respect it and don't pack the line of scimmage.

Edited November 9, 2005 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[SouthernMustang]

I don't think Nebraska's "unexciting" location has anything to do with it. I know Notre Dame as a mystique about it, but seriously -- go to South Bend. Lincoln, NE is phenomenal compared to South Bend. Penn State would also suck, so would lots of SEC schools (Auburn comes specifically to mind). In fact, that would give Vandy a huge advantage b/c they're in Nashville -- but (aside from a semi-decent season this year) they're not exactly competitive.

Players go where they think they can make it in the NFL... Callahan is doing that at Nebraska and it's going to take 3-5 years to fully implement that type of system. Running the option wasn't getting players into the NFL, and that's why players weren't going there anymore and they were losing ground.

A&M on the other hand... I don't understand their mentality. They have typically been a 7-8 win program over the long haul. Had a nice string of competitiveness at the national level -- but then that was the result of cheating. They seem to think they're a lot better in the historical and "program" sense than they actually are. They fired a coach who 6-6 was his worst season -- and now they have a coach who if he wins 6 this year will have his 2nd best at the helm. I don't have any ill-will towards the Aggies, but I do like seeing Francione finally get what he deserves for ditching so many teams ... and I love seeing the young, unexperienced HC in Shula going 9-0 at Fran's last coaching stop.

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

A&M on the other hand... I don't understand their mentality. They have typically been a 7-8 win program over the long haul. Had a nice string of competitiveness at the national level -- but then that was the result of cheating. They seem to think they're a lot better in the historical and "program" sense than they actually are. They fired a coach who 6-6 was his worst season -- and now they have a coach who if he wins 6 this year will have his 2nd best at the helm. I don't have any ill-will towards the Aggies, but I do like seeing Francione finally get what he deserves for ditching so many teams ... and I love seeing the young, unexperienced HC in Shula going 9-0 at Fran's last coaching stop.

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----I guess misery wants company.... SMU was cheating and paying players "with the coaches knowledge". The deal with A&M during the 90's involved a overly excited supporter who gave a some players a summer job and they did little except show up and draw a check.... It was not done with Slocum's or his staff's knowledge but A&M paid for it. Before Slocum (who appeared in 1989) was Jackie Sherrill who was there when the SMU/Bill Clements scandel hit. Sherrill (non-Texan, who went to Mississippi State later) was likely almost as crooked and not well liked in the state.. Slocum's program was considered clean.

Edited November 9, 2005 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[untgirl04]

It might be nice, but not glamorous.  Why would any student that isn't mormon want to go to a university with nothing around it?  That is my opinion. 

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Um.... I think you have Nebraska confused with Brigham Young.

[Green92]

It might be nice, but not glamorous.  Why would any student that isn't mormon want to go to a university with nothing around it?  That is my opinion. 

When you get 30,000 college students in one small place there is always something to do. I don't think any college students in NE are sitting around with there thumbs in there butts trying to figure out what they are going to do.

Edited November 9, 2005 by Green92

[Eagle-96]

And you're also right that TAMU's Reggie McNeil gets a lot of press.  The foolishness comes from being an engineering school that can't build a fire.

That's real classy MM. People die and I guess since it's A&M it's ok to make light of it huh?

P.S. What goes on in Dallas that I should know about that makes it more exciting?  I can't surf here, or swim year round, or go catch a good live band every night.

If you can't find things to do in on of the largest metropolitan areas in the country then you aren't trying very hard.

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[MeanMag]

Um.... I think you have Nebraska confused with Brigham Young.

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I think you have confused yourself. I didn't get them confused. I know the difference.

As for highschool black and white movies about greeks... Why are they showing Animal House in black and white and why is it always on a night when I have to work?

[Eagle-96]

I think you have confused yourself.  I didn't get them confused.  I know the difference.

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Times change, students change. I think students now, are looking for the whole package now that they can get it, and I don't think Lincoln, Nebraska is a very glamorous location. And last time I checked, it didn't move, which means its still in the corn fields. It might be nice, but not glamorous. Why would any student that isn't mormon want to go to a university with nothing around it? That is my opinion.

OK, Explain your post then.