How in the world does UT go to Rose Bowl?

Coffee and TV · November 1, 2005

I think everyone that is hating on UT is just jealous that UNT will never be any where close to them.
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Funny, that's what UVA said about VaTech before Frank Beamer.

bigrobdsp · November 1, 2005

Did you not read the rankings for the teams USC plays or is this just another example of the "southern football bias?" Let's remember that the champion of that conference that is "about 1/2 notch above the sunbelt" drilled the champion of the mighty Big XII last season...as they would do the longhorns this year if they were to play.
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if you take USC out of the Pac 10 the top 3 teams in any other conference (minus the big east only 1 or 2 there) could run the table. you can call it souther bias all you want but those teams are pushovers. none of them would have above a 500 record in the ACC, SEC, BIG 10, or BIG 12. that is just a fact.

Zeke · November 1, 2005

I think everyone that is hating on UT is just jealous that UNT will never be any where close to them. its impossible to have this conversation about whos better...just let things play out for themselves. VT and USC still have some very tough games ahead that could really affect things.
Horns'...national champs...mark my words.

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Will make your day won't it. What year did you graduate there?

Michael Scott · November 1, 2005

Will make your day won't it. What year did you graduate there?
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Its easy to see that many Horns fans are not alumni. All it takes is an orange shirt and a dream. Nothing like the homeless guy in the 2005 Rose Bowl Champions T-Shirt or the 1998 A&M Big XII Champs shirt to make your day.

As annoying as it is - these barnacle fans are what we need to build attendance. So, calling all barnacles, come latch on to the Mean Green. Plenty of space still available!

CMJ · November 1, 2005

if you take USC out of the Pac 10 the top 3 teams in any other conference (minus the big east only 1 or 2 there) could run the table. you can call it souther bias all you want but those teams are pushovers. none of them would have above a 500 record in the ACC, SEC, BIG 10, or BIG 12. that is just a fact.
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Yeah dude - you also said OU would destroy USC in the Orange Bowl. How'd that work out? Your bias against the PAC-10 is obvious.

The Pac-10 routinely beats the Big 10 in the Rose Bowl, whether it's USC or another rep. Just because most of the games aren't shown in the east and central time zones doesn't mean they can't play out here.

Oh and no way does the top 3 teams in every other conference beat UCLA. That's ridiculous.

Edited November 1, 2005 by CMJ

eeally · November 1, 2005

I live in Austin and I can tell you that they are the Pro sports team here. One of my neighbors is a 27 hr community college grad and yes he sports a flag on game day of the Horns. Another is a graduate of Sam Houston and yes is a die hard Horn fan. And yes if I go to HEB and need a foam cooler I have to get one that has HEB on one side and a Horn on another. And yes I have 2 options for sports talk show. ESPN radio or "The Longhorn Station". And yes my cable provider calls me and asks for 2.95 a month I can get BEVO D channel with Longhorn sports all the time.

I love the longhorns. They are why once I am done with my job I will move from Austin because it is so annoying. Austin is not weird it is just an inferior DFW. As far as hippie. Try republican NRA Truck Driving Cowboys.

And yes they are #2 and will stay there. Go USC.

emmitt01 · November 1, 2005

Yeah dude - you also said OU would destroy USC in the Orange Bowl. How'd that work out? Your bias against the PAC-10 is obvious.
The Pac-10 routinely beats the Big 10 in the Rose Bowl, whether it's USC or another rep. Just because most of the games aren't shown in the east and central time zones doesn't mean they can't play out here.
Oh and no way does the top 3 teams in every other conference beat UCLA. That's ridiculous.
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You know Courtland, it's statements like this that actually respond to themselves. Either every sports writer in America vastly overrates USC, UCLA, Oregon, Cal, Arizona State (Uh Oh, that's more than three teams...that "weak Pac-10" argument is a sinking ship already) or maybe, just maybe, we've got another Big XII fan with a dream and desperate need for belonging on our hands. "Oh, how I wish I could be a part of a bandwagon with some sex appeal. I could wear my cow shirt everwhere and women would flock to me. I don't need tag body spray, I just need 12.99 every season for a new t-shirt."

Oh, and you're telling me that the top 3 teams in the Big XII could run the table in the Pac 10? Texas might, but unfortunately for them they don't hand out Sears trophies for being better than most of the other teams in America. "This year's national champion, Texas, pulled off the astounding feat of being better than every team in the land...except the top team in every othe BCS conference...let's light up the big "1" on the clock tower boys!" And who after Texas would run the table from the Big XII again? Would it be the defenseless Red Raiders who Baylor almost exposed? Colorado who never knows which team will show up? How about the Sooners? Whoops, UCLA already pounded them this year. Uhhhhhh, Aggies maybe? Nope. Nebraska then? Nah, not good enough to beat Oklahoma...who UCLA already pounded. Where's your top 3 guy?

Edited November 1, 2005 by emmitt01

bigrobdsp · November 1, 2005

You know Courtland, it's statements like this that actually respond to themselves. Either every sports writer in America vastly overrates USC, UCLA, Oregon, Cal, Arizona State (Uh Oh, that's more than three teams...that "weak Pac-10" argument is a sinking ship already) or maybe, just maybe, we've got another Big XII fan with a dream and desperate need for belonging on our hands. "Oh, how I wish I could be a part of a bandwagon with some sex appeal. I could wear my cow shirt everwhere and women would flock to me. I don't need tag body spray, I just need 12.99 every season for a new t-shirt."
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every one of those teams is absolute gabage. the Pac 10 is weak. I dont mean historicly I mean right now. UCLA doesnt loose b/c they play a pac 10 schedule, and like Cal last year they will be exposed in the post season. Cal Oregon this weekend is going to be the biggest 1 loss pillow fight in NCAA history. yes texas would run the Pac 10 they will even beat USC. yes Tech would run the pac 10 they beat the 2nd best team in that conference last year by a pretty good margin. and yes Colorado, because it wouldnt matter which team showed up, they are better than the Pac 10 weaklings.

Edited November 1, 2005 by bigrobdsp

emmitt01 · November 1, 2005

every one of those teams is absolute gabage. the Pac 10 is weak. I dont mean historicly I mean right now. UCLA doesnt loose b/c they play a pac 10 schedule, and like Cal last year they will be exposed in the post season. Cal Oregon this weekend is going to be the biggest 1 loss pillow fight in NCAA history. and I am on the UT bandwagon B/C my brother was there starting middle linebacker for 4 years. yet I still root for my own alma matter, so $%#@ off with your bandwagon talk.
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Just to play devil's advocate here, how do we know every team in the Big XII isn't vastly overrated? Couldn't they all be inflating their statuses by beating up on eachother? What makes them all prima facie quality teams who are above reproach? Is it recent history or just familiarity with the Big XII that makes everyone in Big XII land assume that, if you come out on the top of the heap around here, that you must be of some merit? I think it says something that SC struggles against Pac-10 foes and then lays half a hundred on the champion of the Big XII last year. Why weren't the trojans exposed after playing that "garbage" Pac 10 schedule? You wanna look for a team being forced to come out into the daylight and show themselves for what they are? Just wait until the longhorns luck their way into the biggest butt whoopin of the season in Pasadena if they make it there.

Edited November 1, 2005 by emmitt01

bigrobdsp · November 1, 2005

Just to play devil's advocate here, how do we know every team in the Big XII isn't vastly overrated? Couldn't they all be inflating their statuses by beating up on eachother? What makes them all prima facie quality teams who are above reproach? Is it recent history or just familiarity with the Big XII that makes everyone in Big XII land assume that, if you come out on the top of the heap around here, that you must be of some merit? I think it says something that SC struggles against Pac-10 foes and then lays half a hundred on the champion of the Big XII last year. Why weren't the trojans exposed after playing that "garbage" Pac 10 schedule? You wanna look for a team being forced to come out into the daylight and show themselves for what they are? Just wait until the longhorns luck their way into the biggest butt whoopin of the season in Pasadena if they make it there.
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I will wait. and I will gloat.

CMJ · November 1, 2005

every one of those teams is absolute gabage. the Pac 10 is weak. I dont mean historicly I mean right now. UCLA doesnt loose b/c they play a pac 10 schedule, and like Cal last year they will be exposed in the post season. Cal Oregon this weekend is going to be the biggest 1 loss pillow fight in NCAA history. yes texas would run the Pac 10 they will even beat USC. yes Tech would run the pac 10 they beat the 2nd best team in that conference last year by a pretty good margin. and yes Colorado, because it wouldnt matter which team showed up, they are better than the Pac 10 weaklings.
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I'm not saying the Pac 10 is better than the Bix XII, just that by and large the power conferences are equal. 'Tis true, TX Tech beat Cal last year in the Holiday Bowl. The year before that Washington State beat the Horns in that same game if you recall. Both were upsets.

Stuff like that happens every year.

UNTLifer · November 1, 2005

Again, I know it is fruitless to argue with the almight emmitt, but you can't tell me that Texas going into Columbus and beating Ohio State wasn't an impressive victory.

Look, you don't like the Longhorns and don't want to give them any credit. I don't like them either, but they've got a pretty good team this year. Other posters state that the PAC 10 is weak, because they don't care for the PAC 10. It's a no win situation.

emmitt01 · November 1, 2005

Again, I know it is fruitless to argue with the almight emmitt, but you can't tell me that Texas going into Columbus and beating Ohio State wasn't an impressive victory.
Look, you don't like the Longhorns and don't want to give them any credit. I don't like them either, but they've got a pretty good team this year. Other posters state that the PAC 10 is weak, because they don't care for the PAC 10. It's a no win situation.
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Yes, Texas going into Columbus and winning is impressive. It just doesn't automatically vault them into the national title game given that the schedule they play and the schedule Va Tech and Bama would have to run through aren't equal. Why this makes me a Texas "hater" or somehow affixes to me the title of "almighty" I'm not sure. I would shout "hook em" from the rooftops if they lined up and played a schedule that was tougher than the other undefeated teams behind them. And you can call it "jealousy", you can call it "hatin", you can call it "bovine profiling" for all I care. I don't make up the rankings, I don't vote in any of the polls...and yet the numbers are still overwhelmingly on my side IF Va Tech and Alabama win out. How is this hard to comprehend?

Edited November 1, 2005 by emmitt01

untbowler · November 1, 2005

Let's see Texas can't do anything about the Big 12, but they have dismantled every team they play, much like USC (ND exception).

UT played ULL, Alabama just played UT St., VTech played Ohio and Duke so that all equals out in the end.

Alabama also gets to play Ole Miss, South Carolina, MTSU, Arkansas hardly a tough stretch, TN is down this year. Florida is a good win. Let's see how they finish off with LSU and Auburn, then title game.

Va. Tech still has Miami and FSU.

UT beat OSU in a tough environment in Primetime, destroyed a Top 25 Colorado and now OU (Top 25 also).

Baylor, Kansas, A&M are no different than the conference fluffs that AL has played.

Let's just let it all play out and show what a crock of s**t the BS BCS truly is.

Which leads to the following.

WE NEED A PLAYOFF!!!!

Edited November 1, 2005 by untbowler

emmitt01 · November 1, 2005

Let's see Texas can't do anything about the Big 12, but they have dismantled every team they play, much like USC (ND exception).
UT played ULL, Alabama just played UT St., VTech played Ohio and Duke so that all equals out in the end.
Alabama also gets to play Ole Miss, South Carolina, MTSU, Arkansas hardly a tough stretch, TN is down this year. Florida is a good win. Let's see how they finish off with LSU and Auburn, then title game.
Va. Tech still has Miami and FSU.
UT beat OSU in a tough environment in Primetime, destroyed a Top 25 Colorado and now OU (Top 25 also).
Baylor, Kansas, A&M are no different than the conference fluffs that AL has played.
Let's just let it all play out and show what a crock of s**t the BS BCS truly is.
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And that's all I or anyone else has said. It's just that saying UT wouldn't be deserving if it all played out this way is like saying "Hey, let's run the dive again" around here.

UNTSIG · November 1, 2005

guys it is all pretty simple. you will not win the argument that Texas has a tougher schedule so don't try it. they don't, it's that simple. TX will make it because of where they started the season in the polls. with the polls accounting for 2/3 of the BCS then it doesn't matter if they played Sunshine State U, TX would still make it. besides do you think that the powers that be will allow TX to not make it and miss out on a TX-USC Rose Bowl? TX is in, USC has a harder road with UCLA and Cal left on there schedule

UNTLifer · November 1, 2005

What it really boils down to is this:

USC is Hollywood. Heisman winner at QB, possible Heisman winner at TB, WR, KR, et... Famous coach that is Southern Cal cool.

UT....All everything/possible Heisman winner at QB, made himself a household name in the Rose Bowl last year, a love him or hate him coach, history, etc....

Both UT and USC have huge national followings.

Va Tech: not near the following or the media market of UT or USC and not the glamour school.

Bama: Been down for a couple of years, so again, not the "sexy" pick.

CMJ · November 1, 2005

Here's food for thought. If the Bruins beat USC do they leap frog everybody? An undefeated squad that knocks off #1 would be hard to leave out of the big game.

Edited November 1, 2005 by CMJ

LongJim · November 1, 2005

I'll post this without comment--

As of 11/1:

Record against top 10 opponents:

1. Texas 2-0

2. USC 1-0

2. UCLA 1-0

2. Alabama 1-0

5. Va Tech 0-0

Record against top 25 opponents:

1. Texas 3-0

1. USC 3-0

3. UCLA 2-0

3. Alabama 2-0

3. Va Tech 2-0

Record against opponents who are presently in the BCS top 25:

1. Texas 4-0

2. USC 2-0

3. UCLA 2-0

3. Va Tech 2-0

5. Alabama 1-0

Record against opponents who are presently in the BCS top 10:

1. Texas 1-0

2. USC 0-0

2. UCLA 0-0

2. Va Tech 0-0

2. Alabama 0-0

Aggregate record of opponents to date:

1. Texas (35-28)

2. Va Tech (33-29)

3. Alabama (27-31)

4. USC (27-35)

5. UCLA (26-37)

Average margin of victory:

1. Texas 30.5

2. USC 29.3

3. Va Tech 27.6

4. Alabama 16.0

5. UCLA 14.4

Total offense (I-A ranking):

1. USC

6. Texas

26. UCLA

44. Va Tech

47. Alabama

Scoring offense (I-A ranking):

1. USC

3. Texas

5. UCLA

12. Va Tech

70. Alabama

Total defense (I-A ranking):

2. Va Tech

3. Alabama

7. Texas

35. USC

88. UCLA

Total scoring defense (I-A ranking):

1. Va Tech

2. Alabama

12. Texas

33. USC

75. UCLA

Aggregation of previous four I-A rankings:

28. Texas

59. Va Tech

70. USC

122. Alabama

194. UCLA

Green92 · November 1, 2005

Jim, Don't go and make Emmitt's head explode. Give him time, he'll refute every statistic you can come up with.

ipEAGLE · November 1, 2005

The BIG 12 is down this yr... and most of the teams in the Big 12 are average, but Texas is the real deal this yr.

Eagle1855 · November 1, 2005

Nice work LongJim, those stats tell a pretty good story. Next people will argue the top 10 teams didnt DESERVE to be, etc... blah blah blah.. everyone will find a way to qualify the team they perceive to be best--- and thats all ANYONE can do because its all "perception" without a playoff.

It wont matter in the end, IMO, as Texas and USC will be the only teams to win out---yes, that includes a USC 'w' over UCLA. UCLA doesnt have enough "stuff" to spend 60 on a field with USC.

In the end, I like the Longhorns in a game against USC. It is the SEXY pick, but its a good matchup. I think its a winnable game for Texas. OU had no passing defense last year. Anyone who saw them play A&M and OkState knows that and shouldve known the impending disaster that was waiting in the Orange Bowl. If Texas would have opened up the play book and thrown it at ALL down field against OU last year they would have been in Miami, not Pasadena.

Who cares though, we have a must win game in Denton on Saturday.

emmitt01 · November 1, 2005

Jim, Don't go and make Emmitt's head explode. Give him time, he'll refute every statistic you can come up with.
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Nope, I don't have a problem with hard numbers. That's all this thread began with. I just take issue with the "Team X is better because_____insert generalization about their prowess" statements.

CaribbeanGreen · November 1, 2005

I'll post this without comment--
As of 11/1:
Record against top 10 opponents:
1. Texas 2-0
2. USC 1-0
2. UCLA 1-0
2. Alabama 1-0
5. Va Tech 0-0
Record against top 25 opponents:
1. Texas 3-0
1. USC 3-0
3. UCLA 2-0
3. Alabama 2-0
3. Va Tech 2-0
Record against opponents who are presently in the BCS top 25:
1. Texas 4-0
2. USC 2-0
3. UCLA 2-0
3. Va Tech 2-0
5. Alabama 1-0
Record against opponents who are presently in the BCS top 10:
1. Texas 1-0
2. USC 0-0
2. UCLA 0-0
2. Va Tech 0-0
2. Alabama 0-0
Aggregate record of opponents to date:
1. Texas (35-28)
2. Va Tech (33-29)
3. Alabama (27-31)
4. USC (27-35)
5. UCLA (26-37)
Average margin of victory:
1. Texas 30.5
2. USC 29.3
3. Va Tech 27.6
4. Alabama 16.0
5. UCLA 14.4
Total offense (I-A ranking):
1. USC
6. Texas
26. UCLA
44. Va Tech
47. Alabama
Scoring offense (I-A ranking):
1. USC
3. Texas
5. UCLA
12. Va Tech
70. Alabama
Total defense (I-A ranking):
2. Va Tech
3. Alabama
7. Texas
35. USC
88. UCLA
Total scoring defense (I-A ranking):
1. Va Tech
2. Alabama
12. Texas
33. USC
75. UCLA
Aggregation of previous four I-A rankings:
28. Texas
59. Va Tech
70. USC
122. Alabama
194. UCLA
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Yep. That's pretty much that.

ntmeangreen11 · November 2, 2005

I think a good way to settle all of this is to keep all BCS, and if there is 4 undefeateds in the top five, then 1 and 3 play, 2 and 4 play, winners play for national championship, everything else remains the same.