One game does not make or break a season...

[ipEAGLE]

In watching football I cannot count how many teams that have started out terrible and turned out to be a great team in the end... I can even remember some teams being killed by a certain team earlier in the season and wind up beating them later on in the season.

If that run by Patrick to the 1 wasn't called back it would have been 9-2 UNT... that might have changed the whole game. Football is a strange game... once things start going bad it is really really hard to recover.

We have the talent... we just have to put it together and good things will happen. I have no doubt everyone associated with MEAN GREEN FOOTBALL is embarrased this week including the coaches and the players. But I believe the coaches are players will do whatever it takes during this week of practice to get ready to BEAT KSU.

We will see a better football team out there this Saturday against KSU. Mark my word.

Edited September 21, 2005 by ipEAGLE

[keith]

We should all just agree to the 24-hour rule. B!tch and moan (or celebrate) for 24 hours, then move on to the next opponent. I've put the Fiasco at Fouts behind.

What are the key match-ups with KSU? I'm completely out of touch with what they've done so far this year.

Keith

[FirefightnRick]

Allen Webb is their QB. He has 29 attempts, 50 completions for 287 yards, with a completion rating of 58.0. He's averaging 5.74 per attempt. He has thrown 4 td, 2 ints and has a rating of 124.6

Thomas Clayton is their star RB. He has rushed 43 times for 329 yards with an average of 7.7 yards per carry. He has 3 TD's so far with the longest being 80 yards. He and three other backs have combined for 454 yards rushing on 88 attempts and 3 TD's.

They have 6 recievers who have combined for 287 yards and 4 TD's. Their top guy is Jermaine Moreira who has 11 catches for 117 yards and no TD's.

K State's scoring defensive rank as of this week is 44th.

Their rush defense is currently ranked 14th, allowing only an average of 78 yards rushing per game

To answer your question about Key Matchups? Their pass defense ranks 50th right now allowing 208 yards a game. I'd say Scott Davis or Mitch Maher plus Marcus Camper, David McGinty, Troy Redwine and Johnny Quinn match up quite well against them. We should be able to stretch the field and keep their DB's busy all day long.

Any more questions?

Rick

Edited September 21, 2005 by FirefightnRick

[Rudy]

Allen Webb is their QB.  He has  29 attempts,  50 completions for 287 yards, with a completion rating of 58.0.  He's averaging 5.74 per attempt.  He has  thrown 4 td,  2 ints and has a rating of 124.6

Thomas Clayton is their star RB.  He has rushed 43 times for 329 yards with an average of 7.7 yards per carry.  He has 3 TD's so far with the longest being 80 yards.  He and three other backs have combined for 454 yards rushing on 88 attempts and 3 TD's. 

They have 6 recievers who have combined for 287 yards and 4 TD's.  Their top guy is Jermaine Moreira who has 11 catches for 117 yards and no TD's. 

K State's scoring defensive rank as of this week is 44th. 

Their rush defense is currently ranked14th, allowing only an average of 78 yards rushing per game

Any more questions?

Rick

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yikes

[untStein]

Let's not underestimate the power of the trap game. The trap game is set up in our favor. However, we have the same problems as Oklahoma which are young QB, young O-line, relatively young defense with established playmakers in the backfield. It's hard for me to be really positive knowing those factors but let's go give 'em a scare at least.

[FirefightnRick]

However, we have the same problems as Oklahoma which are young QB, young O-line,......

Lineberry, SR, 15 starts

May, SR, 11+ starts

Foster, JR, 13 starts

Brown, Soph, 12 starts.

4 of our 5 starting offensive linemen have blocked for a national rushing champion and helped lead the Sunbelt conference as well as rank nationally in "fewest sacks allowed" the past two years.

I understand what your saying, but this is not a young O line.

Rick

Edited September 21, 2005 by FirefightnRick

[FirefightnRick]

Also, in case no one was paying attention, Florida International went into Manhatten three weeks ago and gave K State all they wanted. Until KSU scored a td with 8 minutes to go to ice the game it was a 28-21 game. FIU averaged 4.5 yards passing on them and was in position for an upset.

Marshall two weeks ago had K State beat had it not been a bonehead decision to move the ball closer with a pass to set up for a field goal. Down 21-19 and with the ball sitting on K state's 21 yard line, Marshall's coach, for whatever reason, tries to move the ball closer with a pass. The QB either forced it or was trying to throw the ball away when K State picked it off as time ran out. No reason for it, they were close enough for the try. Marshall had their way with K State's defense all day with an average of 6.6 yards per pass. Had they taken care of the ball (5 turnovers) it may not have even been close. We watched the game in Murfreesboro and couldn't believe the MU coach took such a risk when they didn't need to.

K State can be beaten if we take it to them.

Rick

[UNTFan23]

K State can be beaten if we take it to them.

Rick

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The question is ... will we? If we run pure Dickey ball we'll lose this game.

[KingDL1]

The question is ... will we?  If we run pure Dickey ball we'll lose this game.

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I think the question is ...Is this an out OOC game?

I am hoping for the best and expecting nothing.

[EagleD]

Allen Webb is their QB. He has 29 attempts, 50 completions for 287 yards, with a completion rating of 58.0.

That's actually a completion percentage of almost 200% and that's illegal. What rules are those guys playing by? Can we ammend our rules like that?

Edited September 21, 2005 by EagleD

[FirefightnRick]

Don't know where you get 200% from, is that his true QB rating? As I read it, 29 divided by 50 is .58 which is his completion percentage. His QB rating is 124.6 and I'm going by the stats given, I don't remember how to figure up QB rating?

Rick

[El Paso Eagle]

Don't know where you get 200% from, is that his true QB rating?  As I read it, 29 divided by 50 is .58 which is his completion percentage.  His QB rating is 124.6 and I'm going by the stats given, I don't remember how to figure up QB rating?

Rick

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The stat says 29 ATTEMPTS - 50 completed

Edited September 21, 2005 by El Paso Eagle

[ntsumgspe]

I don't remember how to figure up QB rating?

Rick

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Here ya go ...

NFL quarterback rating formula

The NFL rates its passers for statistical purposes against a fixed performance standard based on statistical achievements of all qualified pro passers since 1960. The current system replaced one that rated passers in relation to their position in a total group based on various criteria.

The current system, which was adopted in 1973, removes inequities that existed in the former method and, at the same time, provides a means of comparing passing performances from one season to the next.

It is important to remember that the system is used to rate pass-ers, not quarterbacks. Statistics do not reflect leadership, play-calling, and other intangible factors that go into making a successful professional quarterback.

Four categories are used as a basis for compiling a rating:

Percentage of completions per attempt

Average yards gained per attempt

Percentage of touchdown passes per attempt

Percentage of interceptions per attempt

The average standard, is 1.000. The bottom is .000. To earn a 2.000 rating, a passer must perform at exceptional levels, i.e., 70 percent in completions, 10 percent in touchdowns, 1.5 percent in interceptions, and 11 yards average gain per pass attempt. The maximum a passer can receive in any category is 2.375.

For example, to gain a 2.375 in completion percentage, a passer would have to complete 77.5 percent of his passes. The NFL record is 70.55 by Ken Anderson (Cincinnati, 1982).

To earn a 2.375 in percentage of touchdowns, a passer would have to achieve a percentage of 11.9. The record is 13.9 by Sid Luckman (Chicago, 1943).

To gain 2.375 in percentage of interceptions, a passer would have to go the entire season without an interception. The 2.375 figure in average yards is 12.50, compared with the NFL record of 11.17 by Tommy O'Connell (Cleveland, 1957).

In order to make the rating more understandable, the point rating is then converted into a scale of 100. In rare cases, where statistical performance has been superior, it is possible for a passer to surpass a 100 rating.

For example, take Steve Young's record-setting season in 1994 when he completed 324 of 461 passes for 3,969 yards, 35 touchdowns, and 10 interceptions.

The four calculations would be:

Percentage of Completions — 324 of 461 is 70.28 percent. Subtract 30 from the completion percentage (40.28) and multiply the result by 0.05. The result is a point rating of 2.014.

Note: If the result is less than zero (Comp. Pct. less than 30.0), award zero points. If the results are greater than 2.375 (Comp. Pct. greater than 77.5), award 2.375.

Average Yards Gained Per Attempt — 3,969 yards divided by 461 attempts is 8.61. Subtract three yards from yards-per-attempt (5.61) and multiply the result by 0.25. The result is 1.403.

Note: If the result is less than zero (yards per attempt less than 3.0), award zero points. If the result is greater than 2.375 (yards per attempt greater than 12.5), award 2.375 points.

Percentage of Touchdown Passes — 35 touchdowns in 461 attempts is 7.59 percent. Multiply the touchdown percentage by 0.2. The result is 1.518.

Note: If the result is greater than 2.375 (touchdown percentage greater than 11.875), award 2.375.

Percentage of Interceptions — 10 interceptions in 461 attempts is 2.17 percent. Multiply the interception percentage by 0.25 (0.542) and subtract the number from 2.375. The result is 1.833.

Note: If the result is less than zero (interception percentage greater than 9.5), award zero points.

The sum of the four steps is (2.014 + 1.403 + 1.518 + 1.833) 6.768. The sum is then divided by six (1.128) and multiplied by 100. In this case, the result is 112.8. This same formula can be used to determine a passer rating for any player who attempts at least one pass.

[FirefightnRick]

I got them backwards, sorry about that. 50 attempts, 29 completions.

QB rating means nothing to me actually. Scott Hall had a high one and look how that stat did for us last year in New Orleans facing a run stuffing defense.

I'm more for whatever moves the chains and puts points on the board, regardless. And right now, it aint the power running game that's getting it done.

Rick

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

I got them backwards, sorry about that.  50 attempts, 29 completions. 

QB rating means nothing to me actually.  Scott Hall had a high one and look how that stat did for us last year in New Orleans facing a run stuffing defense. 

I'm more for whatever moves the chains and puts points on the board, regardless.  And right now, it aint the power running game that's getting it done.

Rick

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Speaking of backwards.... Cobbs is shown at 4 completions for a [ minus 7 ] yards.... Maybe it would be better to drop a few of those and lower the percent complete. .... Maybe we should try throwing forward beyond the line of scimmage more often, the other way doesn't seem to work all the well or least just drop them if it nothing but a desparate throw to get rid of the ball... Also Phillips completed one pass for [ minus 4].

Backwards part II----stop getting stupid penalties, especially unsportsmanslike ones or ones committed nowhere near the ball carrier. Maybe then we will never be facing 4th and 55 again. I have never seen that before and have seen a zillion football games.

RE: moving the chains.....FORWARD passes and a lot less penalities sure help.

Yards: 12 penalties for [ minus 111 ] yards. Offensive yards 129 total [that doesn't count all the yards gained that were negated by penalities ] . Coaches should put teeth into those who commit "stupid" penalities... pull them... and have them run the next week until "hell freezes over". Once in a while a penality makes sense but I didn't see any that did. Tulsa had three penalties for 30 yards..... one was the result of the kicking the ball before the safety, which made sense, better that than give up a touchdown..

Edited September 21, 2005 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66