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[NT80]

10 hours ago, greenminer said:

There are very few programs with SMU-level donors.

SMU upgraded their entire roster with championship-caliber starters and valuable backups.  I'm not sure that's what is being discussed.

My 0.02: What is a waste are those fringe players: guys that are the third+ option at their position, offering little difference towards winning a title vs. not, and still squeezing disgusting NIL amounts from these P5 donors.  The problem is two-fold: 1) these donors are being asked for absurd NIL amounts when it amounts to little-to-no ROI, and 2) the UNTs of the world still can't compete with these offers, so these guys that are normally starting at G5 schools are riding the P5 bench and the quality of play at our level is diminished/sucked dry.

All Sec and BIG10 teams have donations in the millions.  Perhaps not by 10 zillionaires like $mut has, but combined probably more $ than they have for “whatever”.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

17 hours ago, NT80 said:

The return is their program getting ahead.   It's the $mut approach....buy your way up.   

It's programs that have millionaire donors that don't care what it cost.  They see a faster way to the top than waiting on traditional methods....buy players, buy spots in better conferences, buy whomever needs to be bought!  

But a mid major QB isn't going to do that... For them to buy their way to the top 2M for a QB is a great way to start... but are they dropping 2M combined on OL? 1M to a RB? 2M to a WR corps? 500k on a TE? 2M on legitimate quality depth behind those offensive players? Then turning around and spending similar numbers on defensive players and doing it year over year over and over again? If not, then they're wasting their money buying any big monied player. If they are, then good for them I guess... 

[NT80]

38 minutes ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

But a mid major QB isn't going to do that... For them to buy their way to the top 2M for a QB is a great way to start... but are they dropping 2M combined on OL? 1M to a RB? 2M to a WR corps? 500k on a TE? 2M on legitimate quality depth behind those offensive players? Then turning around and spending similar numbers on defensive players and doing it year over year over and over again? If not, then they're wasting their money buying any big monied player. If they are, then good for them I guess... 

The $mu fans that have adopted us as step-children say they are buying all positions.  

Without transparent public NIL contracts who really knows what any programs are spending honestly?

But I agree, what's the point to upgrade one area and not the others?    I will say if you only have 2M, spend it on a QB, spin the wheel, and let it ride!

[DentonStang]

I respect y'all sentiments about the unfairness of the system,  but clearly none of you are really aware of the money involved. 

SMU has some crazy billionaires.   But those couple big spenders are necessary because they have few alumni. With proper organization and motivation,  UNT COULD definitely be in the #25-#50 spend range no question.   Totally doable. Not top 10.... but guess what: those teams already had a huge payroll.   NIL just makes it above the table and more democratic. 

UNT's athletic department and university administration is not totally bought in. I wouldn't give them NIL money either. They aren't in it to win.   But if they change their mind,  you'll find more NIL available. 

The donors at SMU are spending because the school is now in it to win. If we had the university governance we did in 2005, they wouldn't be spending,  I assure you. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:43 AM by DentonStang

[meangreenfaninno]

11 hours ago, DentonStang said:

UNT's athletic department and university administration is not totally bought in. I wouldn't give them NIL money either. They aren't in it to win.   But if they change their mind,  you'll find more NIL available. 

There’s some truth in this statement

[SMU2006]

20 hours ago, NT80 said:

All Sec and BIG10 teams have donations in the millions.  Perhaps not by 10 zillionaires like $mut has, but combined probably more $ than they have for “whatever”.

SMU has a more robust NIL than 75% of the Big 10 and 50% of the SEC.

[GMG_Dallas]

1 hour ago, SMU2006 said:

SMU has a more robust NIL than 75% of the Big 10 and 50% of the SEC.

Yeah? That's just because you don't have baseball to spend money on. Obviously.

[NT80]

2 hours ago, SMU2006 said:

SMU has a more robust NIL than 75% of the Big 10 and 50% of the SEC.

But relying on 10 millionaires is not a "forever" NIL source, people die, estate needs change, etc. 

NIL is not sustainable in it's current form.  It will transition to being funds distributed thru Athletic departments.   Then it will become public knowledge...which will lead to more issues as players see who the highest paid players are on the team and on other teams.  

I expect more player/pay problems in the future rather than less problems.

[NM Green]

It will have to go to contracts hopefully sooner than later so the universities have some leverage to secure return on investment. How on earth will you keep people donating to a black hole pit.

If their goal is a 15 team league they are going to get it but that doesn’t ensure mass marketing and viewer success. They think it will I’m not convinced. 

GMG

[untjim1995]

1 minute ago, NM Green said:

It will have to go to contracts hopefully sooner than later so the universities have some leverage to secure return on investment. How on earth will you keep people donating to a black hole pit.

If their goal is a 15 team league they are going to get it but that doesn’t ensure mass marketing and viewer success. They think it will I’m not convinced. 

GMG

It won't be 15, but it will be something around 36-48. They will cover all of the states that have major programs currently and can protect themselves from state's AGs or senators fighting the NCAA. IOW, a Kansas, Arizona, West Virginia, or Utah won't get left behind, even though a Kansas State, Baylor, or a Mississippi State might.

When you look at the B1G/SEC, you are correct that there are probably 15 brands that matter nationally. Then, add in Notre Dame, Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, etc...and you can see how this would eventually get built out. 

[SMU2006]

50 minutes ago, NT80 said:

But relying on 10 millionaires is not a "forever" NIL source, people die, estate needs change, etc. 

NIL is not sustainable in it's current form.  It will transition to being funds distributed thru Athletic departments.   Then it will become public knowledge...which will lead to more issues as players see who the highest paid players are on the team and on other teams.  

I expect more player/pay problems in the future rather than less problems.

Millionaires are cute.  That's why its better to have billionaires.

[UNTLifer]

I thought the reason the NIL came about was because of all of the money the schools/teams were making off of the players.  Then where is this money and why isn't it being used to pay the players.  Instead it is just soak the fans/alumni for more.