I seem to recall…

[NT93]

some on GMG that gave those of us who were anti-NIL and anti-portal a hard time.  Interested to know if there is a single person who is pro-NIL and pro-portal in their current states? (other than players, agents, and SMU fans of course)

[GMG_Dallas]

I was pro NIL and portal in my own personal belief of how it should work, not in the current state. I expected the current state so was and will always be against this current version. I think there's a way for paying college players and allowing them to transfer to work in the benefit of all but it'll require the NCAA and courts to put in some work.

Hopefully that makes sense.

[NT93]

1 hour ago, GMG_Dallas said:

I was pro NIL and portal in my own personal belief of how it should work, not in the current state. I expected the current state so was and will always be against this current version. I think there's a way for paying college players and allowing them to transfer to work in the benefit of all but it'll require the NCAA and courts to put in some work.

Hopefully that makes sense.

We may or may not agree on the “way for paying college players and allowing them to transfer,” but we are in complete agreement that we knew the current way isn’t it.

[NorthTexasWeLove]

3 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

I was pro NIL and portal in my own personal belief of how it should work, not in the current state. I expected the current state so was and will always be against this current version. I think there's a way for paying college players and allowing them to transfer to work in the benefit of all but it'll require the NCAA and courts to put in some work.

Hopefully that makes sense.

That is just naivety on your part... 

The most ridiculous thing I ever read from people that were for NIL before it was initiated was hearing/reading people (on here and nationally) literally claiming they can't even afford toothpaste to brush their teeth. People fell for that and the like. It was ALWAYS about trying to get what people deemed to be from lower socioeconomic backgrounds (black kids) money. Or is honesty still taboo? Nevertheless, the attorneys were for it because it gave them cases. The sports media was for it because it gave them stories. The sports industry was for it because it gave them business. The minority of fans that were for it, the people who largely fund this garbage, are wholesale not for it any longer. But now, it's bigger than even them. 

[untcampbell]

I haven't acted on this to this point but was inspired by @SUMG 's suggestion. I am considering donating to sport specific NIL's that would allow me to designate any money donated to players in sports that aren't getting a full ride scholarship. Not thinking of or excluding walk on players but instead partial scholarship players.

Not directly related but see the attached blog that discusses proposed increases in scholarship and roster limits across the NCAA sport spectrum, starting in the 2025-26 school year. Not sure how NT will respond if these proposals are adopted but it would most obviously affect Olympic sport rosters at universities that don't increase their scholarship limits, NIL or not.

NCAA Scholarship and Roster Limits: Key Changes Explained

 

GMG

 

Edited Saturday at 03:37 PM by untcampbell

[greenjoe]

Why not pick a player and have him do a promotion for a business or a non-profit or a specific group like animal rescue.  That way, the player gets the money and the non-profit or business gets done exposure as well.  Isn’t that what NIL was originally intended to do ?

[Cooke County Kid]

I believe the entire thing is a disaster and will destroy any team not in the top fifty’s chance of achieving any success.  How can you compete with the Rockefeller’s of the world?

[GMG_Dallas]

2 hours ago, NorthTexasWeLove said:

That is just naivety on your part... 

The most ridiculous thing I ever read from people that were for NIL before it was initiated was hearing/reading people (on here and nationally) literally claiming they can't even afford toothpaste to brush their teeth. People fell for that and the like. It was ALWAYS about trying to get what people deemed to be from lower socioeconomic backgrounds (black kids) money. Or is honesty still taboo? Nevertheless, the attorneys were for it because it gave them cases. The sports media was for it because it gave them stories. The sports industry was for it because it gave them business. The minority of fans that were for it, the people who largely fund this garbage, are wholesale not for it any longer. But now, it's bigger than even them. 

It's not naivety. I can have my own vision for how NIL and portals should work. I literally said I expected the current version and was/am against it. Nothing naive about any of that.

[NT80]

NIL now has nothing to do with NIL.

Let's call it what it really is.....simply Pay for Play.

[MeanGreen_MBA]

The players could always transfer; but there was a penalty.  You lose a years at the same level.  Drop down a level and you’re good.  Those were the jumpers to keep them from team hopping.  Make good decisions on which team/school you go to   Accretion should be if your coach that recruited you leaves.  Players were getting a stipend.  That was working.  

[Pavlovs Eagle]

2 hours ago, greenjoe said:

Why not pick a player and have him do a promotion for a business or a non-profit or a specific group like animal rescue.  That way, the player gets the money and the non-profit or business gets done exposure as well.  Isn’t that what NIL was originally intended to do ?

We went from an average WR named Decoldest Crawford doing HVAC commercials in Nebraska to Nico Iamaleava demanding the Volunteers pay him $4 million to play very quickly.

Edited Saturday at 06:43 PM by Pavlovs Eagle

[GMG_Dallas]

1 hour ago, NT80 said:

NIL now has nothing to do with NIL.

Let's call it what it really is.....simply Pay for Play.

Exactly. Which is why I don't believe this question is reasonable. I'd imagine most fans never wanted this version of "NIL."

[NorthTexasWeLove]

4 hours ago, GMG_Dallas said:

It's not naivety. I can have my own vision for how NIL and portals should work. I literally said I expected the current version and was/am against it. Nothing naive about any of that.

If you expected chaos and still supported it then stupid meet dumb... 

[keith]

5 hours ago, Cooke County Kid said:

I believe the entire thing is a disaster and will destroy any team not in the top fifty’s chance of achieving any success.  How can you compete with the Rockefeller’s of the world?

When they realize there is always someone else with more money, the top 50 will soon become the top 40 and then the top 30 and then….

[NT93]

1 hour ago, GMG_Dallas said:

Exactly. Which is why I don't believe this question is reasonable. I'd imagine most fans never wanted this version of "NIL."

I think it’s reasonable from the standpoint that many on here supported it when it began.  Some may say they don’t support the current version, but the current version is basically the original version so…

[GMG_Dallas]

1 hour ago, NT93 said:

I think it’s reasonable from the standpoint that many on here supported it when it began.  Some may say they don’t support the current version, but the current version is basically the original version so…

It's still new so yes current is basically original. I know plenty of people who support players get paid beyond their scholarship and stipend but don't support the wild wild west as it has been implemented. 

Edited yesterday at 12:12 AM by GMG_Dallas

[NT93]

4 minutes ago, GMG_Dallas said:

It's still new so yes current is basically original. I know plenty of people who support players get paid beyond their scholarship and stipend but don't support the wild wild west as it has been implemented. 

I’m one of them, but I never have and never will support them making millions of dollars.  It’s not a career, it’s 4-5 years of your life designed to prepare you for your career.  Plus, the players are NOT the attraction.  I’m going to games to watch North Texas, not any specific player.  People now say to “Cheer for the name on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back,” but it’s basically been that way forever.  I mean, we cheer for someone until they graduate, then we cheer for the next guy.  We never stop being fans because a player graduates.  

[rcade]

I seem to recall fans supporting the general idea that players could finally earn some money. Maybe some also had opinions on transfers becoming a little easier.

I don't recall anybody wanting a system like the present, where there are no limits and no responsibilities for players getting paid and it seems like everybody can transfer all the time, including players after the season and before the bowl games.

College football is completely broken now. Don't know how it gets fixed.

[GMG_Dallas]

1 hour ago, NT93 said:

I’m one of them, but I never have and never will support them making millions of dollars.  It’s not a career, it’s 4-5 years of your life designed to prepare you for your career.  Plus, the players are NOT the attraction.  I’m going to games to watch North Texas, not any specific player.  People now say to “Cheer for the name on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back,” but it’s basically been that way forever.  I mean, we cheer for someone until they graduate, then we cheer for the next guy.  We never stop being fans because a player graduates.  

Yup I'm in the same boat. I've had this argument at work with a guy who 100% supports the current system. I asked him to name the 3rd string left guard for the P5 school he supports and he couldn't do it yet somehow that guy's name, image, and likeness has him collecting 6 figures. Most college athletes have little to no true NIL value.

Edited yesterday at 01:52 AM by GMG_Dallas

[UNTLifer]

It isn’t sustainable in its current form. What’s the ROI for say North Carolina paying Lopez $4 for two years?  They aren’t going to win the ACC, they won’t win a NC.  Good business people don’t throw that kind of money around without some sort of return. It is insanity. 

[NT80]

2 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

It isn’t sustainable in its current form. What’s the ROI for say North Carolina paying Lopez $4 for two years?  They aren’t going to win the ACC, they won’t win a NC.  Good business people don’t throw that kind of money around without some sort of return. It is insanity. 

The return is their program getting ahead.   It's the $mut approach....buy your way up.   

It's programs that have millionaire donors that don't care what it cost.  They see a faster way to the top than waiting on traditional methods....buy players, buy spots in better conferences, buy whomever needs to be bought!  

[greenminer]

1 hour ago, NT80 said:

The return is their program getting ahead.   It's the $mut approach....buy your way up.   

It's programs that have millionaire donors that don't care what it cost.  They see a faster way to the top than waiting on traditional methods....buy players, buy spots in better conferences, buy whomever needs to be bought!  

There are very few programs with SMU-level donors.

SMU upgraded their entire roster with championship-caliber starters and valuable backups.  I'm not sure that's what is being discussed.

My 0.02: What is a waste are those fringe players: guys that are the third+ option at their position, offering little difference towards winning a title vs. not, and still squeezing disgusting NIL amounts from these P5 donors.  The problem is two-fold: 1) these donors are being asked for absurd NIL amounts when it amounts to little-to-no ROI, and 2) the UNTs of the world still can't compete with these offers, so these guys that are normally starting at G5 schools are riding the P5 bench and the quality of play at our level is diminished/sucked dry.

[Jonnyeagle]

7 hours ago, greenminer said:

There are very few programs with SMU-level donors.

SMU upgraded their entire roster with championship-caliber starters and valuable backups.  I'm not sure that's what is being discussed.

My 0.02: What is a waste are those fringe players: guys that are the third+ option at their position, offering little difference towards winning a title vs. not, and still squeezing disgusting NIL amounts from these P5 donors.  The problem is two-fold: 1) these donors are being asked for absurd NIL amounts when it amounts to little-to-no ROI, and 2) the UNTs of the world still can't compete with these offers, so these guys that are normally starting at G5 schools are riding the P5 bench and the quality of play at our level is diminished/sucked dry.

They SMU are doing it to remove players we could have help us.  They do it to spite us.  This was also done in the 60s I believe when there were no roster limits.

Edited 12 hours ago by Jonnyeagle

[RBP79]

It's entertaining to watch what was College Amature Sports spiral out of control now that it's  a unregulated (IMO) Semi-Pro Atheltics. Thankyou to the NCAA, liberal courts, and greedy lawyers.

[MeanGreen_MBA]

1 hour ago, Jonnyeagle said:

They SMU are doing it to remove players we could have help us.  They do it to spite us.  This was also done in the 60s I believe when there were no roster limits.

Back when there were no limits, Bear Bryant’s would stick up on talent so other teams couldn’t use them.  Worked well for him.