Huss Leaving High Point To Be Creighton's "Coach In Waiting"

[FirefightnRick]

6 hours ago, SUMG said:

When Bucky McMillan became the new A$M basketball coach.....it was reported that the Aggies next year, have $7 million just for basketball. If they paid every scholarship player equally (and they probably don't)....that would be over $500k, per player.

Keep thinking we can stay in the NIL game. We can't. 

We can’t, nor should we try.  The G5 needs to break away and start the NCAAA(National Amateur Athletic Association), under new tv contracts with its own 16-32 team playoff in football, similar Dance in basketball etc. Or, NT needs to drop to FCS and dominate in football and attempt to hang on to compete in D1 basketball.  One of the two?

 

@flyonthewall Thank you for all you did, and still do.

 

Rick 

Edited Saturday at 02:18 AM by FirefightnRick

[meangreenfaninno]

It’s very sad when we watch our very best fans have to walk away from this mess created by NIL.  I am very appreciative of all your contributions @flyonthewall

[TIgreen01]

Quitting or breaking away is silly.  We (G5) collectively have been able to compete when given opportunities and the really big bad apples have been cheating at this since the beginning.  NIL itself is not going to kill us.  It doesn’t really change anything.  What we need is a limit to the unlimited free transfers.  Or contracts.  Just some way to maintain continuity from year to year so we can build a team and a fanbase.  

Even if we can’t get a solution there, we have positioned ourself to be in the top quarter of all D1 schools, high enough up the food chain that we can do exactly what the bigger boys do to us: raid the schools just below us on the ladder.

[NT80]

1 hour ago, TIgreen01 said:

Quitting or breaking away is silly.  We (G5) collectively have been able to compete when given opportunities and the really big bad apples have been cheating at this since the beginning.  NIL itself is not going to kill us.  It doesn’t really change anything.  What we need is a limit to the unlimited free transfers.  Or contracts.  Just some way to maintain continuity from year to year so we can build a team and a fanbase.  

Even if we can’t get a solution there, we have positioned ourself to be in the top quarter of all D1 schools, high enough up the food chain that we can do exactly what the bigger boys do to us: raid the schools just below us on the ladder.

Agree.  We will be fine.  We have always played programs that had "more" and deemed "above us" throughout our sports history....and we look forward to those games! 

But I would never be for dropping down to FCS or breaking away voluntarily.   1-AA was awful.  They get no respect (or media) and still have NIL issues in those divisions too.  No thanks!

[keith]

Barring major changes either imposed from the outside or as part of an internal reformation process, there are limited options for programs like ours to survive and potentially thrive in this environment.  I proposed one such option several months ago in a different forum and the more I think about it, it may be the only viable strategy.

Embrace the transfer portal.  Accept the fact that our best players (or maybe all of them in some cases) will look to transfer after a year of solid production and actually leverage that in our recruitment.  Focus on recruiting athletes with 2 (3 tops) years of eligibility remaining and that while talented have not been able to catch the eye of the programs willing to put them on their multi-million dollar payrolls.  The window is closing on their college athletic career and their ability to get a final payday or springboard their pro aspirations.  Come play for UNT, but plan on being here only a season or two.  We will get you something while here, provide you a platform to showcase your talents and more importantly work to get you that final stop opportunity.  Maybe we even act as a quasi-agent with some sort of renumeration if they get picked up.  

Does it suck to be a stepping stone and revolving door of athletes?  Maybe, I guess.  But if we win, do you really care?  With some success, the better athletes will want to come here and success builds on itself.   Did anyone really care that we had 70+ new players on the football team when we were 5-1 after six games last year?  Are you still looking forward to the football season even though we lost 32 players to the portal and have 26 new transfers coming in? 

It's going to happen anyway (players will leave for $ or what they or their agents perceive to be a better opportunity).  It's musical chairs for every program, so somehow make it work in our favor.  As many have said, root for the team/colors, not the players.     

[NT80]

2 hours ago, keith said:

Barring major changes either imposed from the outside or as part of an internal reformation process, there are limited options for programs like ours to survive and potentially thrive in this environment.  I proposed one such option several months ago in a different forum and the more I think about it, it may be the only viable strategy.

Embrace the transfer portal.  Accept the fact that our best players (or maybe all of them in some cases) will look to transfer after a year of solid production and actually leverage that in our recruitment.  Focus on recruiting athletes with 2 (3 tops) years of eligibility remaining and that while talented have not been able to catch the eye of the programs willing to put them on their multi-million dollar payrolls.  The window is closing on their college athletic career and their ability to get a final payday or springboard their pro aspirations.  Come play for UNT, but plan on being here only a season or two.  We will get you something while here, provide you a platform to showcase your talents and more importantly work to get you that final stop opportunity.  Maybe we even act as a quasi-agent with some sort of renumeration if they get picked up.  

Does it suck to be a stepping stone and revolving door of athletes?  Maybe, I guess.  But if we win, do you really care?  With some success, the better athletes will want to come here and success builds on itself.   Did anyone really care that we had 70+ new players on the football team when we were 5-1 after six games last year?  Are you still looking forward to the football season even though we lost 32 players to the portal and have 26 new transfers coming in? 

It's going to happen anyway (players will leave for $ or what they or their agents perceive to be a better opportunity).  It's musical chairs for every program, so somehow make it work in our favor.  As many have said, root for the team/colors, not the players.     

Part of the loss of so many players last year Morris said the final transition from Seth's players to his players, from the coaching change.  His guys are now here.

But to your point, we should follow the men's basketball refill formula under Ross.   Recruit experienced soph, junior and senior college guys from winning programs that were underused or want a step up in conference.  

Rebuilding every year may be a thing until contracts and set salaries become the norm for G5 level and above programs.

[Tommy Gadberry]

4 hours ago, NT80 said:

Part of the loss of so many players last year Morris said the final transition from Seth's players to his players, from the coaching change.  His guys are now here.

But to your point, we should follow the men's basketball refill formula under Ross.   Recruit experienced soph, junior and senior college guys from winning programs that were underused or want a step up in conference.  

Rebuilding every year may be a thing until contracts and set salaries become the norm for G5 level and above programs.

No offense but damn Morris has a damn story for everything does he not?  Is apology even in his vocabulary?

[NT80]

2 hours ago, Tommy Gadberry said:

No offense but damn Morris has a damn story for everything does he not?  Is apology even in his vocabulary?

I thought it made a lot of sense.  He said it happens on every program when a new head coach comes in.  A majority of the guys still on the roster that were recruited by another coach spend the first transition year thinking about where to go next, then they usually leave.  A few stay.  He wasn't trying to hide anything.  I appreciate his candidness.  It's way more than we get from most of our coaches!

[flyonthewall]

anybody checked in on womens?  kyla deck....shit show....

[Tommy Gadberry]

Just now, flyonthewall said:

anybody checked in on womens?  kyla deck....shit show....

No way!  Best player on the team in my opinion.  What a disaster.

[UNTLifer]

32 minutes ago, flyonthewall said:

anybody checked in on womens?  kyla deck....shit show....

What’s the story?  Haven’t seen anything. 

[cousin oliver]

9 hours ago, UNTLifer said:

What’s the story?  Haven’t seen anything. 

I think all our best women players entered the portal

[UNTLifer]

3 hours ago, cousin oliver said:

I think all our best women players entered the portal

So who is that?  Hardaway, Deck and Wooten?

[untjim1995]

On 4/12/2025 at 9:59 AM, NT80 said:

Agree.  We will be fine.  We have always played programs that had "more" and deemed "above us" throughout our sports history....and we look forward to those games! 

But I would never be for dropping down to FCS or breaking away voluntarily.   1-AA was awful.  They get no respect (or media) and still have NIL issues in those divisions too.  No thanks!

We won't have a choice this time. The next new level of play won't be us moving down, it will be the P4s moving up or onward, leaving some power teams behind, too (see SMU, TCU, Baylor, UH). When that happens, we will see about 30-40 schools that have their own setup. What will be interesting to see is what the next level of play will look like...that next 30-40 teams. The left behinds and the top G5s--will they keep an NIL/Portal setup between each other? Or will these players only be able to move up to the NFL-lite programs, but not across the fellow schools in this level of play? Will contracts even be allowed ever? Will schools begin trading away players? Will programs keep players for as long as they want, without any eligibility issues anymore, as if they're already pros?

[NT80]

1 hour ago, untjim1995 said:

We won't have a choice this time. The next new level of play won't be us moving down, it will be the P4s moving up or onward, leaving some power teams behind, too (see SMU, TCU, Baylor, UH). When that happens, we will see about 30-40 schools that have their own setup. What will be interesting to see is what the next level of play will look like...that next 30-40 teams. The left behinds and the top G5s--will they keep an NIL/Portal setup between each other? Or will these players only be able to move up to the NFL-lite programs, but not across the fellow schools in this level of play? Will contracts even be allowed ever? Will schools begin trading away players? Will programs keep players for as long as they want, without any eligibility issues anymore, as if they're already pros?

I don't see it as much different.  The P2 now has what they want....they control the NCAA, CFP and NCAA Tourney and can soon pay players in public.  Why would they need to break away?

They still need the other programs to fill their schedules with more home games.

[untjim1995]

7 hours ago, NT80 said:

I don't see it as much different.  The P2 now has what they want....they control the NCAA, CFP and NCAA Tourney and can soon pay players in public.  Why would they need to break away?

They still need the other programs to fill their schedules with more home games.

The fact of the matter is that there are probably about 20 schools that are huge draws and then about 20 more that are big draws. When the networks decide they want those 40 brands and nothing else, they’ll pay up to create a college level of pro football. And it will be just like the NFL. You’ll play 9 teams in your division and a game against the team from the other divisions in the same position you finish the previous year. Just like the NFL. You’ll have 12 games, 6 and 6, then make a killing on playoff revenue, while utilizing bowl games for the teams that finish with 6 or more wins but don’t qualify for their playoff. 
 

The B1G and SEC may have 32 current teams, but they aren’t the same. Purdue and Mississippi State aren’t bringing in the interest that Michigan and Alabama bring. One of these days, those two non blue bloods will probably get dropped down by the bigger names that move away.

[NT80]

14 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

The B1G and SEC may have 32 current teams, but they aren’t the same. Purdue and Mississippi State aren’t bringing in the interest that Michigan and Alabama bring. One of these days, those two non blue bloods will probably get dropped down by the bigger names that move away.

Yes, I can think of a few that need kicked out of the Top League, or whatever it will be called, if we are talking about Power.  Most of these middling programs bring markets, or academics, more than substance in Athletics.

Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Illinois, Miss St, and Rutgers to start.

[untjim1995]

15 minutes ago, NT80 said:

Yes, I can think of a few that need kicked out of the Top League, or whatever it will be called, if we are talking about Power.  Most of these middling programs bring markets, or academics, more than substance in Athletics.

Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Illinois, Miss St, and Rutgers to start.

I'll give you some other names that are scared to death of that reality--everyone in the Big 12, everyone else in the ACC besides UNC, UVa, VT, FSU, Clemson, and Miami. 

No, if basketball actually can and does help, Duke, Kansas, and Arizona will probably be included, since they're also AAU members for academics, too. 

There will be some serious names left behind. Could you imagine a scenario where the top whatever for football was this list of 32 schools: Penn State, Virginia, Va Tech, UNC, Clemson, FSU, Miami, Florida, Georgia, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Kentucky, Arkansas, LSU, Texas, A&M, OU, Mizzou, Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon

The left behinds would be a ridiculous list of names we would die to be included with in a conference/division setup.

My guess has always been 48-54 teams, which would give you 6 regional conferences of 8-9 teams. And cover all of the states that the NCAA and networks know they'll need for legal purposes.

[NT80]

2 hours ago, untjim1995 said:

I'll give you some other names that are scared to death of that reality--everyone in the Big 12, everyone else in the ACC besides UNC, UVa, VT, FSU, Clemson, and Miami. 

No, if basketball actually can and does help, Duke, Kansas, and Arizona will probably be included, since they're also AAU members for academics, too. 

There will be some serious names left behind. Could you imagine a scenario where the top whatever for football was this list of 32 schools: Penn State, Virginia, Va Tech, UNC, Clemson, FSU, Miami, Florida, Georgia, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Kentucky, Arkansas, LSU, Texas, A&M, OU, Mizzou, Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon

The left behinds would be a ridiculous list of names we would die to be included with in a conference/division setup.

My guess has always been 48-54 teams, which would give you 6 regional conferences of 8-9 teams. And cover all of the states that the NCAA and networks know they'll need for legal purposes.

It will be a mess if it comes to that.  States will file suit to get their Flagship schools included.  School donors will money-whip whoever is making the decisions.   It will be chaos.   

Similar to this season, when you had Washington 6-7, UCLA 5-7, OU 6-7, Auburn 5-7, etc, it will be a new reality for several top programs when you play the top dogs every week.   That's why they won't break away completely from the rest.  They need OOC games against lessor opponents to get their wins and more home games for revenue.  

[untjim1995]

52 minutes ago, NT80 said:

It will be a mess if it comes to that.  States will file suit to get their Flagship schools included.  School donors will money-whip whoever is making the decisions.   It will be chaos.   

Similar to this season, when you had Washington 6-7, UCLA 5-7, OU 6-7, Auburn 5-7, etc, it will be a new reality for several top programs when you play the top dogs every week.   That's why they won't break away completely from the rest.  They need OOC games against lessor opponents to get their wins and more home games for revenue.  

The revenues for extra home games could easily be made up from TV and playoff money. I don’t think that will be the ultimate deciding factor. But I think that 48-54 will have every major flagship of current power schools for each of those states that are used to be a power school. Places like WVU, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Kansas, etc…they’ll all get included. It’s the second schools and especially the private schools that are gonna be squeezed out.